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Eurogamer: Tabata on Final Fantasy XV - "core-centric", "casual", "best FF ever"
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They're using Nomura's pre-production that he built over the years and letting somebody else take the glory of it all.
Nomura must be mentally destroyed at this point.
If you think about it that its pretty despicable and borders on abusive.
But I trynot to think about it because I don't want to hate the game itself and because I donot know enough details.
Is some ways this game didn't have a "clean" release and Its actually pretty tragic.
They're using Nomura's pre-production that he built over the years and letting somebody else take the glory of it all.
Nomura must be mentally destroyed at this point.
If you think about it that its pretty despicable and borders on abusive.
But I trynot to think about it because I don't want to hate the game itself and because I donot know enough details.
Is some ways this game didn't have a "clean" release and Its actually pretty tragic.
NoctisVsStar
Member
This is tragic all over imagine the game gets praised and Tabata gets all glory.. Shit idk what I would do or think if I was Nomura.. I would probably say fuck this I'm out.
Hell yeah I wouldn't stay another minute in there.
Taking away an artist's vision is one of the worst things you can do to him.
Its almost inexcusable.
But we don't know enough details so maybe its not that bad.
At least I hope not.
NoctisVsStar
Member
I hope so too, best case scenario everything was pretty much done core story, combat those sort of things and tabata stepped in for the final touches/polish so nomura can focus on getting out kh3 in a timely fashion. But if it was otherwise I would be crushed and couldn't work for a company like that.
killatopak
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Even if Tabata gets credit, I'm glad to know who really laid the foundations for the game. Nomura's work may not be well know with the masses but it will never be forgotten by enthusiasts.
which sucks because its the fault of the overall structure and not necessarily nomura....yet he is the one clearly suffering for it.
He'll literally missing out on all the oscar buzz that FFXV is getting and returning to his cave to work on KH3.
killatopak
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At least he still has KH3. I remember the original director for FFXII got nothing to return to after his sickness.
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NoctisVsStar
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Wise words, hopefully he realizes that the true followers know who laid the foundations as you said.
He deserves to make it for the launch party of the game and take a lot of the glory.
I wish we fans could convey our gratitude...I guess the best we can do is honour FFXV and buy it.
NoctisVsStar
Member
It really does suck...
I guess this is the reality of corporations.Art doesn't survive in pristine form in such money driven,calculated environments.
NoctisVsStar
Member
Nomura I pledge to buy a copy In your honor.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
You fight
Rasputin
Hitler
Just because the game features characters who are based on real history doesn't mean it can't work.
I hope Nomura leaves after the Xenohort Saga is done. Then Sony can poach him
and other former SE devs, thus forming a super JRPG first party studio :3
Get Sakaguchi on board, along with Kentaro Yasu.
BTW, does Yasu's departure have anything to do with Nomura being taken off FF15's development?
One reason I don't want Nomura to leave SE is because we could potentially never see more of him if he does leave.
I love his character designs in big console games and leaving SE can only mean one thing : MOBILE GAMES.
yup.Same here.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
The Square Enix of the last 10 years is anything but calculated.
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Matsuno does sound like he could have been sick though. He was still talking about how he doesn't want to do anything large and wanted to make small games that can appeal to children.
MagnaderAlpha
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You mean more of him working with Square or more of him altogether. I can bet if he leaves Square, many studios would be interested in snagging him. Hell, not even in the game industry. If he becomes a freelancer designer, I can see him being contracted to do art design and direction for anime and maybe even movies(create costume and monster design for stuff). I can def see him having a well rounded career like Amano(not just stuck in the video game sector of entertainment). It might even do Nomura some good to branch out. I think Square's holding him back.
That sounds awesome.
Rasputin works because even in real life he looks like a villain that could be in any medium. The Europe setting actually translates pretty well into games and has been done in the past. Persona 2 doesn't take place and revolve around Hitler and Auschwitz camps or that time period.
Final Fantasy characters in South Carolina with Lincoln and slavery... doesn't really paint the same picture for me, and I'm assuming Tabata means a literal take in the realistic backdrop and not a highly stylized warped version.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
If after 8 yrs ur game is still not shipped definitely something's "also" wrong with the man directing it. I mean, I'm surprised Nomura kept this game for so long, almost looked like a canned project at certain point. It's a miracle S-E decided to go A Realm Reborn on it (this time before the game actually releases...) and give that to someone else to see this shit out one day. Nomura is no saint and like Tanaka before him he shares responsabilities.
They may do it for show but in the end if the game is succeesful Tabata will receive all the glory. Management wants results.
Nightengale
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While Nomura carries some blame, I wouldn't necessarily blame the game's long development on him. If you don't have the resources for it, you can't ship a AAA JRPG,even if you have 10 years. There's only so much a small team can do.
However, I think it's problematic that he barely has a fully featured vertical slice of the combat system after 6 years. The 2011 trailer, and the snippets of the combat system shown... was rough, no matter how promising it looked.
You don't have HD towns, no rich monster assets, no large world maps to show, fine. But after 6 years, the game should at least have the core battle system finalised and easily migrated to a full game once the resources are actually there.
It honestly felt like even in 2012, that "combat vertical slice" did not exist. Not in a way that lived up to his vision.
However, I think it's problematic that he barely has a fully featured vertical slice of the combat system after 6 years. The 2011 trailer, and the snippets of the combat system shown... was rough, no matter how promising it looked.
You don't have HD towns, no rich monster assets, no large world maps to show, fine. But after 6 years, the game should at least have the core battle system finalised and easily migrated to a full game once the resources are actually there.
It honestly felt like even in 2012, that "combat vertical slice" did not exist. Not in a way that lived up to his vision.
eyeball_kid
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Considering for a minute there he wanted to turn FFXV into a musical back in 2012, he might've been losing it a bit for a while.
But I agree, despite my personal feelings of his work, it's no way to treat someone who's invested so much energy into a project.
Sign
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The 2013 Battle trailer demonstrated that vertical slice. They had the city in the 2011 trailer, same with monsters.
Hell, everything they've shown from this past while has been from the 2013 trailer behind a gambits system. I don't know where people keep getting this idea that the system wasn't defined or was too vague. I mean even going back as far as that video with noctis fighting the behemoth solo we had a really good idea of what it would look like. It still looks like that.
Nightengale
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I'm following the narrative of the time when Nomura was the sole director and the game was cancelled in 2012, and repackaged as XV with Tabata joining the team.
Because based off what Tabata said, he's positioning himself as the one who came up with a better vertical slice that got greenlit.
Dark_castle
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I wonder if XV will some form of Crystarium like Type-0 and XIII.
Hoping for a new system though. A Materia-like system with customizable black magic, white magic, support, status effects and summon abilities in a real time environment would be pretty damn epic.
Hoping for a new system though. A Materia-like system with customizable black magic, white magic, support, status effects and summon abilities in a real time environment would be pretty damn epic.
Go_Ly_Dow
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If you guys dont recall when Tabata's involvement was first announced at E32013 he said something like he was there to help push Nomura along the project as he took too long and was a perfectionist or something. Back then in whatever interview I saw that it seemed like a joke but it seems the higher ups were dead serious on that point.
Sign
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The battle system they showed in 2013 was the same system they had been showing all along. Clearly, the system was changed recently. I honestly think the only reason Tabata's system was given the green light was so SE could lessen the influence of the arpg-ness (making it reach a wider audience) while still using everything that Nomura had created.
Sign
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All Tabata has done is thrown Nomura's stuff behind gambits. I say this because Nomura was still doing interviews in 2013 talking about it being an arpg.
Go_Ly_Dow
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I'm definitely on team Nomura but at the end of the day there was a history of him and this project of not finalizing big aspects.
(Worldmap, cutscenes, designs, battle systems and probably even more),
If that continued even after the platform switch and with KH3 needing dedicated attention then pretty much all other companies would take similar course of action.
Edit: even seeing the links above of turning FFXV in to a first person game, no menus and noctis only control or a musical etc...
The guy is brilliant but there are strong signs that he isnt cut from the same cloth to direct a mainline FF on this scale.
(Worldmap, cutscenes, designs, battle systems and probably even more),
If that continued even after the platform switch and with KH3 needing dedicated attention then pretty much all other companies would take similar course of action.
not really, other companies would have canned the entire project years ago lol
Edit: even seeing the links above of turning FFXV in to a first person game, no menus and noctis only control or a musical etc...
The guy is brilliant but there are strong signs that he isnt cut from the same cloth to direct a mainline FF on this scale.
It's a mix of Nomura and SE mismanagement, really. I'm just tired of people thinking Nomura is suicidal or something and their judgment becomes clouded.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
End of the day the core fans know of his massive role in the project. It will always remain his work.
Psycho_Mantis
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Beautiful ;__;
Can I run over that dinosaur?
This is hilarious. :lol
Ganon Dragmire
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edotlee
Member
Yep. It's like FFVII, while Kitase was the director, fans always give credit to Nomura for creating Cloud and the rest of the crew. I'm sure fans will associate FFXV's world and characters with Nomura as well.
I don't know much about the previous game development process but was Nomura behind the characters themselves? I know he drew Cloud and Crew but what else did he do in FFVII.
It's the same with Crisis Core. Even though that was a game Tabata actually directed from start to finish, Nomura gets lots more credit for his role as designer and creative producer. Not that Nomura doesn't deserve the credit, but it's pretty clear that his presence continues to overshadow everyone else at S-E as far as the fanbase is concerned. So I have a hard time really feeling bad for him too much here. When times were good he's got his share of the glory, when it comes to fucking up he has to share the blame too.
He also contributed to some of the scenario concepts and character backgrounds iirc. More importantly, his visual direction was a huge driving point for the game's look in the battles and summons. He storyboarded the limit breaks and summon sequences to help the animators create those scenes.
Argh! Containing my anger regarding this is extremely hard to do.
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
How epic would've been if Toriyama replaced Nomura on this project? Neogaf will go wild. Even if Toriyama's games are actually better than Tabata's ones (well except for Type-0 that I never got to play yet).
The story will be incomprehensible and there will be time warp inserted for no reason.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Has this been posted?
https://twitter.com/FF25TH_JP/status/515063217769287680
Type-0 stream on October 2nd at SEP.
https://twitter.com/FF25TH_JP/status/515063217769287680
Type-0 stream on October 2nd at SEP.