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DriveClub Review Thread.
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acceptable for who ?
Investors.
SNE investors care about the quality of a single game?
I would like that to be substantiated.
ProvenDeadly
Member
A 7.2 is "acceptable" for low budget/indie games. It is not for AAA games and first party devs.
NullPointer
Member
And all this time I thought I was an Aries.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
For people who bought the console at launch and wanted to play it then, not a year later.
In other words ........ people like me.
Duxxy3
Member
I doubt that investors were expecting much from the game.
According to the 1,818 X360 games on Metacritic (which includes DLC and XBLA and Indie and all of that crap), a 72 puts you in a tie for the 793rd best game. So yeah, extremely average, and likely closer to bad if you're counting just retail releases. Certainly not the quality I'm sure they were hoping for after all this time.
Always-honest
Banned
I have been playing the game for hours on end now and i can safely say it's a good game (and crazy addictive).
But reviewers also have to think of value for their viewers. And there are many racing games that offer more content. More tracks, cars, customisation, events. And many have more originality or more specific distinguishing features.
But reviewers also have to think of value for their viewers. And there are many racing games that offer more content. More tracks, cars, customisation, events. And many have more originality or more specific distinguishing features.
For Sony. This is one of their big exclusives for the end of the year. A 7.2 does not look good, even if it's a game that fans enjoy.
Considering the quality of reviews lately, I hardly consider them or metacritic an index of what is acceptable.
Investors don't look at metacritic. Investors look at sales. That verdict still has to come out.
Considering what executives like House have been saying about Knack, you may want to rethink that.
And you'll wait longer 0.3 upstream doesn't fast uploads make. Feel free to visit my xboxclips later to see the two videos I just recorded. You'll notice some mild sliding, but no spinning whatsoever, despite a ton of bumps and jumps. A real hypercar would be all over the place (and implode, but that's a whole different matter).
What has House been saying about Knack?
Mushroomer25
Member
Sony is using the quote in their marketing. They are owning it, and endorsing it. They are at full fault for misrepresentation.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
These guys have one extra year to polish and work on the game and it doesn't even have weather implementation and released with online problems?? 7.2 sounds like a 10!
Unlike normal human beings? The idea of game critics being some unified front is weird. The whole reason reviewers exist is to be people with (hopefully) perspective on the range of stuff out there, and to either give recommendations or info/quality comments about the games. Nothing they say is binding, it's just criticism, and people will get a sense of writers that are useful to them based on their interests.
That Sony wants to "cherish" the character and basically implied it could become a franchise. Was at the latest investor meeting in Japan.
Well, there is no way to measure the quality of a game in a objective way, but review aggregators like metacritic give us a good approximation of it because the closest thing to the objectivity is the mean of subjectivities.
gundamkyoukai
Member
You think Sony cares about a 7.2 if the games sell well ?
That is like saying paramount cares what movie critics think about Transformers.
It all comes down to how much money they make and nothing else.
bananafactory
Banned
Beyond Two Souls proved I can't trust reviews to tell me what I'll enjoy. It's at a 70 and I loves it.
Mushroomer25
Member
And middling reviews like these aren't going to affect sales? Sure, the converted are going to buy this game regardless. But the much larger mass market is more likely to be swayed by criticism.
AmaterasuOni
Banned
This. And I really enjoy Driveclub as well!
Oh god.
Well despite any weird devotion Sony may have to the franchise, the fact remains that there is almost no public interest in it (it sold moderately well, but it's hard to tell what that means since it was a launch game). If it had been a 9/10 game there would be far more interest in the franchise.
Thankfully PS4 was able to sell on promises alone, but that won't keep it going forever. Critical darlings need to come (which they undoubtedly will).
Sure but reviews do play a part in how well the game sells and whether it can build enough public trust to become a franchise.
gundamkyoukai
Member
There is a PS+ version which going help with that .
With it being easier to see if you going to like a game by streaming and Let's play vids that also helps .
King Gilga
Member
Then it also proved you can't trust gaf either because almost everyone here hates it, you can't trust anyone but yourself when it comes to taste.
I also really enjoyed it, Co-oP was great fun.
Destiny seems to be doing OK.
Destiny and Driveclub marketing campaigns don't exactly compare. Not to mention Destiny is a much more mainstream genre.
I don't quite understand the point of all of this. Could you maybe rephrase it without using "acceptable to Sony"?
What are the consequences of this game scoring a 72 on Metacritic?
Destiny proves that's wrong.
Destiny reviews also came after the game launched.
You're right, Activision has a lot more riding on Destiny than Sony does on Driveclub.
RedAssedApe
Banned
blood's just played fh2 v. dc comparison
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/lwhga1/driveclub-forza-horizon-2-vs-driveclub
nice supplement to his reviews.
The consequences are that the PS4 doesn't look as appealing as it would if this game scored a 90. Do you think Sony is happy that one of their 2 big exclusives for the holiday is getting middling reviews?
This does not seem like a controversial opinion to me.
I don't have an issue if you say that Sony isn't happy that their game isn't better received. The term used was "unacceptable" however. That means that something isn't acceptable and consequences will never be the same.
http://xboxclips.com/video.php?uid=...raft&vid=d19ca27b-0473-4940-8cb1-a67023b1f6a3
Edit: Also since you used an awd Lamborghini for your video, here's a random YouTube video of a real one offroading (spoiler alert, no imploding)
Lamborghini in the Snow: http://youtu.be/QKuXp06QHeE
Forza Horizon 2 isn't a simulator, nor was it meant to be, but driving off road definitely presents a challenge.
Once the PS+ version of Driveclub comes I'll fire it up to see how it handles, but saying FH2 handles poorly offroad is kind of ridiculous.
soundscream
Member
http://xboxclips.com/video.php?uid=...iael&vid=5833b923-da77-4af3-9042-72eadf4eff1c
Already you loose points for using a AWD car, but why did you choose a non race situation where you dont have to make an actual turn going flat out rather than your free roam romp?
Canis lupus
Member
Beyond being at 70 baffles me, good game, it wasn't Heavy Rain level but it's not as bad that it should score 17 points below.
Yoshida's WWS output the last few yeas has been very disappointing. He's made terrible decisions like releasing Puppeteer, Beyond and GT6 during PS4 launch. He greenlit Knack. He greenlit GoW Ascension, an unnecessary prequel that bombed. He didn't believe in Demon's Souls. The Last Guardian fiasco. Closure of Studio Liverpool and barely any output from European studios. Naughty Dog thrived because they're Naughty Dog.
The thing is, the majority of the scores are either well above 7 or well below, not many reviews actually seem to agree the game is a 7.2, most think it's much better or much worse. In this case, the metacritic seems to represent the opinion of no one. That being said, I don't care much. I'm not really into racing games.
Considering the investment that went into the game, mediocrity isn't acceptable.
I think we can gauge the amount of public interest in Driveclub by looking at how many pages the OT has. Game's been out two days, OT is three or four days newer than the Horizon 2 OT and has twice as many posts. Regardless of what those posts are about (I'm sure a good number are about either the free version or the server issues) it shows there's a high level of passion for the game.
I don't think review scores are going to matter as much as we all think it might. I hope it doesn't, because a small number of the reviews just come off as pathetic clickbait.
I don't think review scores are going to matter as much as we all think it might. I hope it doesn't, because a small number of the reviews just come off as pathetic clickbait.
35 reviews are positive, 16 "mixed" and one is negative. That doesn't exactly scream "mediocrity" to me. I doubt it would for many people considering this is the first entry in the franchise, either.
I still don't understand your point, which is why I asked for you to not use the word in the explanation when that is the word I'm not understanding.
If it wasn't acceptable, it wouldn't have been released.
OccamsLightsaber
Regularly boosts GAF member count to cry about 'right wing gaf' - Voter #3923781
Indie games generally score higher than 80. And the idea that indie games are low quality games needs to stop.
Monster Zero
Junior Member
We're talking about the video game industry right?
And that reply also doesn't make any sense when the discussion is what is acceptable.
The claim is that this game's alleged mediocrity is unacceptable to Sony, who choose to release it in this state anyway.
Wouldn't that mean they think this alleged mediocrity is acceptable?
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Really? Why? That game turned out great!
Kssio_Aug
Member
I just saw it on a review video, and come on, is that a normal thing with every car on the game or just with this one?
I mean, the car on the back crashed and pulled the car of the player to the other direction. But the collision visually never happened.
This kind of flaws is disappointing for a game with that caliber for PS4. Specially a game that was suppose to loo veery real!
Another thing that I could not see on the same video I'm talking about... I remember on the reveal trailer, that they showed the player entering the car, putting the sit belts and turning on the car and looking left to his competitor. The video I saw just showed the guy entering the car and closing the door, then the screen goes black and he is ready to drive. Did they took that detail out of the final version?
I mean, the car on the back crashed and pulled the car of the player to the other direction. But the collision visually never happened.
This kind of flaws is disappointing for a game with that caliber for PS4. Specially a game that was suppose to loo veery real!
Another thing that I could not see on the same video I'm talking about... I remember on the reveal trailer, that they showed the player entering the car, putting the sit belts and turning on the car and looking left to his competitor. The video I saw just showed the guy entering the car and closing the door, then the screen goes black and he is ready to drive. Did they took that detail out of the final version?
You think a Huracan would just mildly slide when turning and bumping like that on the dirt, in the rain? AWD or not?
Oookay.
You didn't even notice I was turning flat out for the whole time in the video. Sorry if I'm not gonna go too much out of my way to find a championship with an offroad race for hypercars for your sake. This video is evidence enough.