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[Nanashrew]

That seems fairly reasonable to me.

It's empty to me with how they even handle their own community. I remember the whole anti-gay stuff, all the hate in the comment section during the whole Tomodachi Life thing. The comment section should had been nuked from orbit with how disturbing it was.

IGN just has this whole thing of "Yeah, we'll fix it" and making some kind of stance then does nothing.

 

[Simply Sarah]

She's saying that autistic people read the headline of Leigh's article "Gamers are Dead" and took it literally.

She is then implying that the people that are going crazy about it and attacking Leigh on twitter are autistic people who thought that what she said was literally true.

So, in effect, people who are making fun of GamerGate people are making fun of autistic people.

See, that's the closest I could get out of it, but that's almost beyond asinine. Like I feel even Autism fucking Speaks pushes a view of autistic people that's more positive than that. OK, so some autistic people were triggered by Leigh's piece that literally never said "Gamers are dead" nor even included the terms "die", "dead, "death" etc. Even if I accept that, that was almost two months ago. So is she trying to say that us folks on the autism spectrum are so broken that one article that doesn't even say what she claims it said will trigger them into a violent and aggressive rage, complete with rape threats, death threats, and doxxing, for months on end? Is this a massive troll or is she really that fucking ignorant? Because this makes me fucking furious. Because she's talking about people on the spectrum, myself included, as if we're sub-human monsters.

 

[jstripes]

Which implies they all have autism?

No, but it implies some of them do, but we don't know which ones, so anyone we attack could be autistic, and attacking the group as a whole is also an attack on them, so therefore we're assholes.

 

[Palette Swap]

She's saying that autistic people read the headline of Leigh's article "Gamers are Dead" and took it literally.

She is then implying that the people that have been going crazy about it and attacking Leigh on twitter are autistic people who thought that what she said was literally true.

So, in effect, people who are making fun of GamerGate people are making fun of autistic people.

That work of fiction falls apart even faster when you take 10 seconds to consider Alexander's article wasn't even called "Gamers are dead".

It's honestly disgusting that they'd use autism as a shield.

 

[Anton Sugar]

He actually opposes hate crime / anti-discrimination laws, though you are right about same sex marriage and his opposition to torture. But his support for those things are grounded in what he thinks of as conservative (think Burke, not ... Tea Party) reasoning, not liberal or progressive thinking.

For instance, on gay marriage in 1989:

Interesting, thanks for the information!

Honestly, all I remember is that I was very anti-Iraq towards the end of college and a lot of his articles seemed to jive with that; same for same-sex marriage.

Looking up on him now, seems like he was MUCH more conservative in 90s/early 2000s as opposed to later.

Still, I usually found his viewpoint interesting, at the very least. He seems to be taking a very cursory and surface level view of GamerGate, though.

 

[PsySal]

and i answer best i could. I didnt know i need a scorecard.

No point did i say it was equal just it happening on both sides. It just goes back people rather attack each other than debate the topic at hand.

And again it goes back to twitter it is 160 limit. Twitter is built for one liners not debate.

The thing is, there's no "other side". There's just GamerGate.

You can identify with that movement, and you can say it means one thing or another, but either way you are wearing a certain badge just like if you join an organization or go to a political rally or put a bumper sticker on your car.

To NOT wear the GamerGate badge doesn't make you a part of some kind of movement. It doesn't make you "SJW".

"SJW" itself is a label invented by people (who are likely now GG-ers) as a way of trying to put a mark on the people they wanted to target. SJW isn't a movement, it's just a sarcastic name that GG-ers call other people that they don't like.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

Wow at that Dreamfall thing. Like I don't even get how they could be upset, the series has always had that stuff. The first game has you living at like a hippy hostel run by lesbians. What would you expect it to be like 3 games in?

Well, some people (in said forum) are claiming it was RPS' John Walker who made the thread to....achieve something? Make GamerGate look bad I suppose sooo..........
I don't know how to end that sentence.

 

[Simply Sarah]

That work of fiction falls apart even faster when you take 10 seconds to consider Alexander's article wasn't even called "Gamers are dead".

It's honestly disgusting that they'd use autism as a shield.

Won't someone think of the (autistic) children!?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

She's saying that autistic people read the headline of Leigh's article "Gamers are Dead" and took it literally.

She is then implying that the people that have been going crazy about it and attacking Leigh on twitter are autistic people who thought that what she said was literally true.

So, in effect, people who are making fun of GamerGate people are making fun of autistic people.

This seems unlikely.

 

[GDJustin]

It's empty to me with how they even handle their own community. I remember the whole anti-gay stuff, all the hate in the comment section during the whole Tomodachi Life thing. The comment section should had been nuked from orbit with how disturbing it was.

IGN just has this whole thing of "Yeah, we'll fix it" and making some kind of stance then does nothing.

IGN receives a tremendously huge volume of comments. It's the fifth most commented site on the entire internet - just behind HuffPo and just ahead of CNN.

Looking at toxic comment threads can make it look like IGN isn't doing anything, but 10,000+ permabans have been handed out, 100K+ comments deleted, etc. But a lot of that progress is invisible and it can often look like nothing is happening.

 

[JDSN]

Common Gaf, you know what to do:

Scene itself.

 

[freddy]

It's empty to me with how they even handle their own community. I remember the whole anti-gay stuff, all the hate in the comment section during the whole Tomodachi Life thing. The comment section should had been nuked from orbit with how disturbing it was.

IGN just has this whole thing of "Yeah, we'll fix it" and making some kind of stance then does nothing.

Yea, the comments section of IGN was always one of the worse places I can remember. Then to be fair, most comment places are shitty and not representative of the whole audience for a site.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Common Gaf, you know what to do:

Scene itself.

Eugh, the transparent box would make this a pain to edit.

 

[MYeager]

has anyone done the bolded in any significant numbers?

I thought that was the one thing no one minded on both sides, with differing opinions about how much was really required (like if an old college buddy worked on a game versus someone you're actively in a relationship with).

 

[Ayt]

One of the few times I've seen public infighting on twitter from GG was when KingofPol was called out for using autism pejoratively. Whatever that is worth.

He made amends by weaponizing charity and donating to...Autism Speaks. Oops.

https://twitter.com/Kingofpol/status/524403227526455296

 

[Nanashrew]

IGN receives a tremendously huge volume of comments. It's the fifth most commented site on the entire internet - just behind HuffPo and just ahead of CNN.

Looking at toxic comment threads can make it look like IGN isn't doing anything, but 10,000+ permabans have been handed out, 100K+ comments deleted, etc. But a lot of that progress is invisible and it can often look like nothing is happening.

Okay that does sound better, I guess. I stopped commenting on IGN after the whole Tomodachi thing. I honestly felt like they hadn't done anything after their statements and new rules. I used to visit all the time.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

 

[Fantastapotamus]

One of the few times I've seen public infighting on twitter from GG was when KingofPol was called out for using autism pejoratively. Whatever that is worth.

He made amends by weaponizing charity and donating to...Autism Speaks. Oops.

https://twitter.com/Kingofpol/status/524403227526455296

I don't know Autism Speaks, what's wrong with them?

 

[shacklesmcgee]

People were wondering if TotalBiscuit was explicitly pro-GG. He made this tweet a couple weeks ago.

https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/520242699082145792

And this:

https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/519177354753880065

ugh "TotalBiscuit is truly gross"

 

[Corpekata]

I don't know Autism Speaks, what's wrong with them?

Anti-Vaccine conspiracy theorists on top of other things.

 

[JesseEwiak]

Okay that does sound better, I guess. I stopped commenting on IGN after the whole Tomodachi thing. I honestly felt like they hadn't done anything after their statements and new rules. I used to visit all the time.

To be fair to IGN, imagining have to police Yahoo or Youtube comments. It'd be virtually impossible. The fact they're even trying instead of just letting them simmer in a toxic stew is a positive.

As far as Andrew Sullivan goes, remember he's a Tory, not a progressive. He also had problems with affirmative consent laws and other social justice type laws for a variety of reasons.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

ugh "TotalBiscuit is truly gross"

@totalbiscuit I bow deeply and humbly to the majesty of TotalBiscuit

Awesome

Anti-Vaccine conspiracy theorists on top of other things.

Even more awesome.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

 

[Simply Sarah]

I don't know Autism Speaks, what's wrong with them?

They're both quackish and also seem more focused on how, essentially, awful the lives of autistic people are but it's even harder on their loved ones! The loved ones need our support dealing with their ball and ch-I mean autistic person. At least, this is how I tend to see them.

 

[plagiarize]

Anti-Vaccine conspiracy theorists on top of other things.

I almost don't dare speak the 'A' word, but even as someone pro-choice I was pretty horrified by their stance on testing fetuses so that mothers could have the option not to have the baby.

I mean, that's not what you expect from a charity trying to help autistic people.

They're both quackish and also seem more focused on how, essentially, awful the lives of autistic people are but it's even harder on their loved ones! The loved ones need our support dealing with their ball and ch-I mean autistic person.

That's definitely the type of attitude I was alluding to yeah.

 

[crowphoenix]

It is very difficult actually trying to understand anything going on with regard to Twitter, which is mostly a battle between 3? Tags?

 

[Ziffles]

Here's a tumblr page, I wish I knew who started it: http://actuallyethics.tumblr.com/

and finally a request: Can someone please do this image from Bayou Billy? You'll have my love until the end of time.

 

[zer0blivion]

My name's Buck and, actually it's about ethics in games journalism.

 

[DNAbro]

Has this one been posted yet?

http://imgur.com/KSpYGnN

 

[blitzcloud]

Ehh, if you think mocking a very serious situation about a potentially dangerous group that according to these pictures target females for harassment as their only real reason for the movement, and even go to the lengths of depicting it with pistol pointing, physical violence ,etc and empower it to the social network like it's the appropriate answer to it, then I don't know what to say.

Apparently now it's about having fun with comedy relief, on a very serious matter (last time I checked)

Idk if i'm the only one who sees a paradox between the whole online threats are very serious and suddenly cracking some laughs about the whole thing.

 

[Mowki Kowski]

Has this one been posted yet?

http://imgur.com/KSpYGnN

Welp. This is the best thing ever.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Ehh, if you think mocking a very serious situation about a potentially dangerous group that according to these pictures target females for harassment as their only real reason for the movement, and even go to the lengths of depicting it with pistol pointing, physical violence ,etc and empower it to the social network like it's the appropriate answer to it, then I don't know what to say.

Apparently now it's about having fun with comedy relief, on a very serious matter (last time I checked)

Wow, a concern troll, when I've been assured that the movement is about nothing more than ethics in game journalism?

 

[Alcoremortis]

So... found this little gem:

And I'm like:

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Way to cherry-pick the critics of GG...

 

[Orayn]

Way to cherry-pick the critics of GG...

It's so transparent that I want to believe they're being at least a little tongue in cheek about it. Hopefully.

 

[Ayt]

Ehh, if you think mocking a very serious situation about a potentially dangerous group that according to these pictures target females for harassment as their only real reason for the movement, and even go to the lengths of depicting it with pistol pointing, physical violence ,etc and empower it to the social network like it's the appropriate answer to it, then I don't know what to say.

Apparently now it's about having fun with comedy relief, on a very serious matter (last time I checked)

Shaming and mocking them may be one of the best ways to end this.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

So... found this little gem:

And I'm like:

Okay. Yeah.

I can't process this.

 

[aspiegamer]

OK, so, now we're all assholes for picking on autistic people:
https://twitter.com/redlianak/status/525702732481822721
As someone with an autistic step-son, and knows what happens when he's triggered, all I have to say is this is a total fucking cop-out.

Oh nononono, oh hell no. Autistic people are totally in need of more social shunning, really! Good work, GG! Don't hide behind your autism as a goddamn shield, especially since the GG folk are big on that #notyourshield crap.

This is just another form of the "other guy points a gun at you and suggests you hand me money while I stand here" fallacy. Some GG folk happen to be autistic, provoke strong reactions in other people and then scream and throw a fit when people try to stand up for themselves, citing said mental condition? Fuck that.

Never fear, friends! Since I have autism, by GG logic NeoGAF can 100% not be criticized. After all, #stopgamergate is an inclusive movement, too! Since you have at least one autistic person in your discussion it makes you immune for any further talk of them regardless of the context! If they're going to claim bullshit harassment like this I get to return the favor.

 

[Cybit]

EDIT: Not worth the incoming dogpile that I am sure will happen because I'm not in lockstep 100% agreement.

The sullivan article is interesting; especially the parallel he brings up with insular cultures knowing that opening up is what is best for them, but still having some resentment about the change.

 

[Firestorm]

Here's a tumblr page, I wish I knew who started it: http://actuallyethics.tumblr.com/

oh my god the Lion King one killed me.

Also this one: https://twitter.com/krystman/status/525610172866379776

 

[blitzcloud]

Wow, a concern troll, when I've been assured that the movement is about nothing more than ethics in game journalism?

Wow, you assumed that much from my post? I tip my hat to your deduction skills

*throws smoke bomb and leaves*

Now really, I understand that my comment might be a bit "no fun allowed", but I really think it's not nice to make direct comparisons with murder actions and physical violence, unless you really think that the GGers are all-talk (something I myself believe).

 

[jstripes]

Ehh, if you think mocking a very serious situation about a potentially dangerous group that according to these pictures target females for harassment as their only real reason for the movement, and even go to the lengths of depicting it with pistol pointing, physical violence ,etc and empower it to the social network like it's the appropriate answer to it, then I don't know what to say.

Apparently now it's about having fun with comedy relief, on a very serious matter (last time I checked)

The point of the meme is that the "movement" keeps spewing the same "justification" over and over again, despite their completely contradictory actions. We're putting their words into situations where it's equally absurd.

 

[Corpekata]

I would not want to meet the GGer that put Vox Day as a plus in that image.

 

[Simply Sarah]

oh my god the Lion King one killed me.

Also this one: https://twitter.com/krystman/status/525610172866379776

That's fantastic!

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Wow, you assumed that much from my post? I tip my hat to your deduction skills

*throws smoke bomb and leaves*

Now really, I understand that my comment might be a bit "no fun allowed", but I really think it's not nice to make direct comparisons with murder actions and physical violence, unless you really think that the GGers are all-talk (something I myself believe).

Do you think I'm literally implying that GG wants to hold women at gun and knife point?

 

[blitzcloud]

The point of the meme is that the "movement" keeps spewing the same "justification" over and over again, despite their completely contradictory actions. We're putting their words into situations where it's equally absurd.

Yeah I guess it just doesn't sit well with me. Nothing else.

Do you think I'm literally implying that GG wants to hold women at gun and knife point?

Given the association they do between one thing and another (Zoe stuff) , would it really surprise you if they make the connection and shield themselves as victims of people calling them outright murderers/violent sexists in disguise?

 

[MYeager]

Ehh, if you think mocking a very serious situation about a potentially dangerous group that according to these pictures target females for harassment as their only real reason for the movement, and even go to the lengths of depicting it with pistol pointing, physical violence ,etc and empower it to the social network like it's the appropriate answer to it, then I don't know what to say.

Apparently now it's about having fun with comedy relief, on a very serious matter (last time I checked)

Idk if i'm the only one who sees a paradox between the whole online threats are very serious and suddenly cracking some laughs about the whole thing.

It's not making fun of the threats, it's mocking how the group is making threats but saying it's about game journalism ethics in the same breath.

If your reflexes are quick enough you might catch the point before it swooshes past.

 

[Orayn]

EDIT: Not worth the incoming dogpile that I am sure will happen because I'm not in lockstep 100% agreement.

The sullivan article is interesting; especially the parallel he brings up with insular cultures knowing that opening up is what is best for them, but still having some resentment about the change.

Oh come on, there's no need for that passive aggressive comment. People get dogpiled for repeating tired and/or duplicitous pro-GG arguments that have been addressed over and over, not for slight differences in opinion.

 

[Simply Sarah]

Wow, you assumed that much from my post? I tip my hat to your deduction skills

*throws smoke bomb and leaves*

Now really, I understand that my comment might be a bit "no fun allowed", but I really think it's not nice to make direct comparisons with murder actions and physical violence, unless you really think that the GGers are all-talk (something I myself believe).

At least the better examples function rather well as satire pointing out the absurdity of the whole #gg movement, which can be a rather effective weapon. Additionally, humour being used to try and take the edge off rather dark and troubling subjects (And to avoid things becoming all anger and despair) can be a good thing. I will admit that there is an often blurry line between that and making light of something, though.

 

[bodyofanamerican]

EDIT: Not worth the incoming dogpile that I am sure will happen because I'm not in lockstep 100% agreement.

The sullivan article is interesting; especially the parallel he brings up with insular cultures knowing that opening up is what is best for them, but still having some resentment about the change.

I'll be honest, I was really intrigued when he made that comparison (as I believe I noted in my original post). I'm not a gay man, but I think that's the closest anyone has come to get me to understand whatever GG may think they're about in their heads.

My issue was the black & white way he ended it with the whole "only one side's been bullied", which was just such an oversimplification it kind of invalidated any prior insight in my eyes.