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Star Wars: X-Wing and Star Wars: Tie Fighter |OT| ...in a GoG galaxy far, far away...

Unmoses

Unmoses

Member
Why page Chris Roberts.. Page Larry Holland! While I loved X-W:Alliance I can see there were a few missions that bugged out or were difficult because of some choices/bugs (like the one where you rescued your sister) but between these and Bridge Commander, guy was the shit.. Whatever happened to them? I followed their webpage at totally for a while but it seems to have fallen off
 
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adj_noun

Member
On the off chance that someone has the same issue I had:

My colors were messed up; space was all yellow. I got a solution from the GOG forum that fixed it:

Open the file dosbox_tie in notepad

Find the line
output=surface

Change it to
output=ddraw
 
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sueil

Member
Was reading the forums to see if I wanted to buy these because I fear a lot of trouble setting up my joystick and it seems the games have some issues. 3d mode doesn't work for the windows versions the sound is worse than original for dos versions and apparently there is missing content.
 
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WillyFive

Member
I am conflicted over which version to play, especially since saves aren't shared. The DOS version has the better cutscenes and original fantastic MIDI music.....but the Windows version has better graphics, controls, and music lifted from the movies.
 
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FlyinJ

Douchebag. Yes, me.
Can someone tell me how to force 4:3 with the windows version of tie fighter?

I'm using an nvidia card btw
 
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Dog Problems

Banned
Can anyone recommend a inexpensive joystick for these games? I really miss playing them that way. A 360 controller seems to work ok but would much prefer a stick.
 
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Gahiggidy

My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Gozer the Gozerian said:
How do these play with a mouse and keyboard?? I played the shit out of TIE Fighter back when I was like 12, I had a joystick at the time. I don't have a wired controller to hook up to my laptop though.
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We'll I played many, many hours of these two games back in the 90's and I exclusively used a mouse and KB. It was kinda ridiculous to swipe.. lift to opposite side, repeat, repeat, in order to make fast turns.. but it was still super fun. Basically when you cease mouse movement, the ship is oriented straight ahead.
 
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Man God

Non-Canon Member
I can beat both of these games with mouse and keyboard, 100%ing both of them.

It's much easier with a proper stick though.

Also X-Wing is a really great game...but TIE Fighter is a billion times better.
 
Minsc

Minsc

Gold Member
WillyFive said:
I am conflicted over which version to play, especially since saves aren't shared. The DOS version has the better cutscenes and original fantastic MIDI music.....but the Windows version has better graphics, controls, and music lifted from the movies.
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The DOS version is the original release, not the Collectors Edition (which is what it should be), so it's missing the voice acting, the expansions, and the SVGA resolution, and more, so the choice is almost decided for you. Windows version, or wait until GOG puts in the DOS Collector's version. That is, if you're talking about TIE Fighter of course, which I seem to just carelessly assume everyone is lately.
 
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Boogdud

Member
Minsc said:
The DOS version is the original release, not the Collectors Edition (which is what it should be), so it's missing the voice acting, the expansions, and the SVGA resolution, and more, so the choice is almost decided for you. Windows version, or wait until GOG puts in the DOS Collector's version. That is, if you're talking about TIE Fighter of course, which I seem to just carelessly assume everyone is lately.
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Do we know that the DOS versions are going to be for sale?
 
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Kerned

Banned
I bought a house last year and the previous owner left behind a large desk in the office. Just a few months ago I found an old Microsoft flight stick in one of the cabinets. I immediately thought how great it would be to track down a copy of Tie Fighter and see how well it holds up. I can hardly believe it but it seems my time has come.
 
Minsc

Minsc

Gold Member
Saw these two guides posted on GOG's forums, for people looking to get their controllers/joysticks working (and just general setup instructions):
Guide: Play X-Wing Series on a Modern Windows PC (with 360/PS3/Joystick controls) (this guide also goes over updating the voice overs to better quality, and updating the music to a better sounding one in the Window release)
How to get TIE Fighter: Collector's CD running in DOSbox

epmode said:
Wait, they didn't give us the DOS CD version of Tie Fighter? Yikes. Guess I won't lose my disk after all.
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Boogdud said:
Do we know that the DOS versions are going to be for sale?
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We have the DOS floppy version from '94, not the Collector's CD version from '95.

GOG has a tendency to update/upgrade games with new versions if there's a call for it. So there's a decent chance we'll see the DOS version updated to the proper '95 CD version, which is arguably the best way to play the game.
 
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Paladin CL

Member
I bought them and you get 2 versions of each game, one is the cd rom version and the other the floppy (atleast for Xwing).

Tomorrow Im getting a joystick, cant wait to play them again.

Also I Xwing Alliance gets released, theres a gorgeous mod called XWAupgrade were they changed lots of 3d models for better versions.
 
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FlyinJ

Douchebag. Yes, me.
When I run the game on my 1080p monitor, the screen only takes up .25 of it. How do I fix this? This is the windows vet of tie fighter
 
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Bombless

Member
I was going to jump on this until I read that the Tie Fighter DOS version isn't the CD-ROM edition. What the hell. I'll hold until they fix it...if they ever.
 
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FlyinJ

Douchebag. Yes, me.
Ive got my 360 controller set up great for the game using the in game remapper.

Luckily the game automatically detects the triggers as a throttle, so every other button is open.

I would have never believed that I would be comfy couching Tie Fighter.
 
JohnSpartanLee

JohnSpartanLee

Member
If there was a remake of X-Wing and/or TIE-Fighter with current-gen graphics and full Oculus Rift/Morpheus support I'd play nothing else for the next years.
 
ISee

ISee

Member
JohnSpartanLee said:
If there was a remake of X-Wing and/or TIE-Fighter with current-gen graphics and full Oculus Rift/Morpheus support I'd play nothing else for the next years.
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I hope that enough people are going to buy Tie-Fighter/X-Wing on GOG.com so that Disney is going to recognize how important especially this franchise is to people. Maybe then Disney is going to greenlight a true sequel... But this is just wishfull thinking and anyway a current-gen 'tie-fighter' has to work with the limited amount of buttons on a gamepad controller because everything has to be on consoles so...
 
JohnSpartanLee

JohnSpartanLee

Member
ISee said:
anyway a current-gen 'tie-fighter' has to work with the limited amount of buttons on a gamepad controller
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That shouldn't be an obstacle: 8 buttons (incl. R+L triggers) + 4 dpad directions + Select button are already 13 buttons. You could add the right analog stick and the R3 and L3 buttons and thus get 19 "buttons". L and R triggers could also be used as modifiers for whole new sets of button functions.

But even with only 13 buttons you could create a new TIE Fighter with quite enough complexity. I'd gladly do without some functions of the original if we'd get a Star Wars space combat sim with modern gfx at 1080p (and higher on PC) in VR 3D.
 
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infinityBCRT

Member
Minsc said:
Saw these two guides posted on GOG's forums, for people looking to get their controllers/joysticks working (and just general setup instructions):
Guide: Play X-Wing Series on a Modern Windows PC (with 360/PS3/Joystick controls) (this guide also goes over updating the voice overs to better quality, and updating the music to a better sounding one in the Window release)
How to get TIE Fighter: Collector's CD running in DOSbox
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My guide :). I haven't tried it but I'm guessing you can use the same methods on the GOG edition to get the 360 controller working on it.

I've got the Tie Fighter Reconstructed mod for the GOG Edition ready to be released. It restores DOS Soundtrack in high quality, including the battle music (non-dynamic) and parts of the game which were stripped of music such as the registration screen and the briefing map, and also restores the higher quality speech from the DOS CD edition of the game.

I think its going to take me a few days to get it permanently hosted on our site, but if anyone has any suggestions for a temporary host (mediafire, mega?), I can upload it and post the link for people to enjoy right now!
 
Minsc

Minsc

Gold Member
infinityBCRT said:
My guide :). I haven't tried it but I'm guessing you can use the same methods on the GOG edition to get the 360 controller working on it.

I've got the Tie Fighter Reconstructed mod for the GOG Edition ready to be released. It restores DOS Soundtrack in high quality, including the battle music (non-dynamic) and parts of the game which were stripped of music such as the registration screen and the briefing map, and also restores the higher quality speech from the DOS CD edition of the game.

I think its going to take me a few days to get it permanently hosted on our site, but if anyone has any suggestions for a temporary host (mediafire, mega?), I can upload it and post the link for people to enjoy right now!
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Wouldn't something like dropbox work, or a google drive link? You'd probably want to make a dummy (non-personal) account though I suppose.

Don't worry though, if it takes a few days that's fine. Thanks for putting it together!
 
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Fliesen

Member
Tookay said:
X-Wing Alliance was fantastic: so much variety and depth, but easily accessible. Once you get into the mechanics, it's hard to go back to Rogue Squadron.
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The only thing that turns me off playing XWA nowadays is those early missions you do for the Azzameen family, scanning containers, flying corellian transports.

Once you join the rebellion is where the fun starts.
 
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Gipsy Danger

Member
infinityBCRT said:
My guide :). I haven't tried it but I'm guessing you can use the same methods on the GOG edition to get the 360 controller working on it.

I've got the Tie Fighter Reconstructed mod for the GOG Edition ready to be released. It restores DOS Soundtrack in high quality, including the battle music (non-dynamic) and parts of the game which were stripped of music such as the registration screen and the briefing map, and also restores the higher quality speech from the DOS CD edition of the game.

I think its going to take me a few days to get it permanently hosted on our site, but if anyone has any suggestions for a temporary host (mediafire, mega?), I can upload it and post the link for people to enjoy right now!
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You are doing God's work. Google Drive would probably be fine, just set up a new account and host it there. Thanks for the work you've put in!
 
Minsc

Minsc

Gold Member
FlyinJ said:
Would it be possible to put the original interactive music into the Windows version?
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Not without reprogramming the game I believe, if it weren't difficult it'd probably have been done by now. Still, it sounds like at least using the music originally created for the game instead of randomly dropping in John Williams is a nice step in the right direction, and the Windows version does play the appropriate song for the events happening on the screen I believe, it just doesn't mix it in realtime like imuse does.
 
The Stig

The Stig

Member
as someone who owns both tie fighter versions, I am surprised so many people are so upset about the soundtrack differences. the OST in the newer version may not be as clever but it is high quality and makes me proud to be imperial every time I hear it.
 
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infinityBCRT

Member
The Stig said:
as someone who owns both tie fighter versions, I am surprised so many people are so upset about the soundtrack differences. the OST in the newer version may not be as clever but it is high quality and makes me proud to be imperial every time I hear it.
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Aside from the non-dynamic soundtrack, the X-Wing/Tie Fighter Windows versions alongside XvT used a soundtrack which was basically ripped straight from the score of the movies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9goBjpUthY

The music itself is similar to what was used in the original DOS version of X-Wing so it works there (as X-Wing for DOS used midi versions of the movie music), but Tie Fighter's music was all original, and had a darker tone to it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTgMkMkyqug
 
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infinityBCRT

Member
WGMBY said:
What, no X-Wing Alliance? That was always my favorite one.
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I have a feeling they may not release it, or if they do, it will be severely compromised. They just straight up disabled 3D acceleration in these games, which isn't too big of a hit because X-Wing, Tie Fighter and XvT look pretty much the same in 3D and Software mode, but the difference is HUGE with X-Wing Alliance. If they re-release that game, hopefully it's a proper re-release.
 
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Falk

that puzzling face
Minsc said:
Wouldn't something like dropbox work, or a google drive link? You'd probably want to make a dummy (non-personal) account though I suppose.

Don't worry though, if it takes a few days that's fine. Thanks for putting it together!
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Dropbox would just cap almost instantly on any remotely popular downloads. Not sure about Google Drive

Minsc said:
Not without reprogramming the game I believe, if it weren't difficult it'd probably have been done by now. Still, it sounds like at least using the music originally created for the game instead of randomly dropping in John Williams is a nice step in the right direction, and the Windows version does play the appropriate song for the events happening on the screen I believe, it just doesn't mix it in realtime like imuse does.
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Oh man, if someone were able to figure out what parts of the executable to hack/inject and hook up something like Wwise, I am 100% willing to recreate both the X-Wing (e.g. John Williams-ish iMuse score) and TIE Fighter (the original iMuse music) with modern sample libraries (so high definition/orchestral) mimicking the interactivity of the original iMuse implementation.

There'd need to be a strong proof of concept first that the injection works though. Not wasting my time otherwise.
 
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WGMBY

Member
infinityBCRT said:
I have a feeling they may not release it, or if they do, it will be severely compromised. They just straight up disabled 3D acceleration in these games, which isn't too big of a hit because X-Wing, Tie Fighter and XvT look pretty much the same in 3D and Software mode, but the difference is HUGE with X-Wing Alliance. If they re-release that game, hopefully it's a proper re-release.
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I guess we'll just have to stick to the XWA upgrade project, though the site for that hasn't been updated since March '13

http://www.xwaupgrade.com/
 
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infinityBCRT

Member
OK folks. Here's the Tie Fighter reconstructed mod for the GOG.com edition:

http://www.savingcontent.com/2014/0...b1-playstation-ps4-controller-flight-stick/7/

What this mod does:
  • Re-orchestrated music tracks by Daniel 'Yitzchak' Bennett based on the DOS version of Tie Fighter. This restores the awesome original soundtrack of Tie Fighter (which was removed from the Windows version in favour of John Williams' score). However, it is not dynamic like the DOS version. Click here for a sample of the new music
  • Menu music is MUCH higher quality
  • Higher Quality speech based on the DOS CD edition of the game
  • Modified Tie95.exe by Pete Jatz which fixes some issues with the music in the game and restores some spots where music was not playing in the Windows version

The guide in general has also been cleaned up a little so if you just want to see how to setup your 360/XB1/PS4 controller, just look at the "Controller Setup" section for each game: http://www.savingcontent.com/xwing/
 
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Falk

that puzzling face
infinityBCRT said:
[*]Re-orchestrated music tracks by Daniel 'Yitzchak' Bennett based on the DOS version of Tie Fighter. This restores the awesome original soundtrack of Tie Fighter (which was removed from the Windows version in favour of John Williams' score). However, it is not dynamic like the DOS version.
[*]Menu music is MUCH higher quality
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Ah sweet, guess I'm not the first person with that idea!

Still needs that code injection for dynamic music though.
 
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Firebrand

Member
Loved TIE Fighter back in the day, but I don't know if I'd want to play it without a proper joystic. Then again, I wasn't used to mouse aiming back then so maybe I'd be more comfortable with that option now.
 
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Gipsy Danger

Member
Just got a joystick for these games specifically and the button remap screen frightens me. Is there any sort of guide for the most important buttons? Will probably just read through the manual.
 
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Zero2kz

Member
I still have this POS that I had as a young kid playing X-Wing.

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Time to see if it still works, lol.
 
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