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Konami bringing Suikoden 1 & 2 PSone to PSN and VITA. #isthisreallife #basedkonami
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Konami in Europe does not seem to think so.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
I will if us EU people are allowed to buy it.
Manmademan
Member
Couldn't agree more. it really is that good. If we could get a fraction of the people who bought FFVII on PSN to pick up this one as well, Konami would make suiko 6 in a heartbeat.
But I'd take a "Suikoden 1/2 HD remix" as a consolation prize.
Just wanted to comment on one last thing, since you mentioned being an army commander- suikoden 2 is one of the few JRPGs of its era that actually HAS permadeath for party characters. Screwing up the major army skirmishes badly enough can mean that some characters are "killed" for good- kind of a shock the first time I saw that. It's not common (I've only seen it once, personally) but it is one of those little things that really sets the game apart.
nrvalleytime
Member
Quoting this again since it might have been overlooked - the Konami rep has already confirmed the price I'm this thread:
A fair price for a game I've wanted to play for a very, very long time.
Just get Suikoden I. If you like it, you'll love Suikoden II.
OmegaDL50
Member
It can happen in Suikoden 1 as well.
When you have Pahn fight Teo in the one on one duel. Fucking up the duel and Pahn dies permanently, which by consequence screws up your chances to revive Gremio towards the end of the game.
Ironically I did this on purpose in one of my games just to see what would happen and
Luc died in S1, which would be a Time Paradox due to him being the major big bad in Suikoden III
Thankfully SII war battles require much more strategy and it's akin to something like Warsong / Langrisser / Growlanser.
Manmademan
Member
I like the game, but this is nonsense. The storyline at it's height doesn't come within a mile of ASOIAF at it's worst.
That being said it's very good for a jrpg. it's charming, thought provoking in parts, and avoids the vast majority of the shitty genre cliches that plagued the industry at that time (and still do, to a large extent).
As someone else said, this is NOT "six plucky teens save the world" despite the fact that your protagonist is a preteen (or around there). You quickly discover things are a lot more complex, there are no easy answers, and there's no chosen one to ride in with a magic sword to fix things.
names2hard4you
Member
I've always heard great things about Suikoden II. Now I never played any of the games in the series, do I have to play the first in order to play the second?
OmegaDL50
Member
Hey Daoster, I'm surprised to see you on NeoGAF. Good to see you here. It's been awhile.
20 hrs is my kind of length for a jrpg post college.
do they hold up though? Do I need a guide or is it generally good with pushing people to the next thing. Any grind? Whats the difficulty? Translation decent enough to understand? Hows the pace of combat? ps1 jrpg battles love to take their time.
talking about both suikoden 1 and 2.
do they hold up though? Do I need a guide or is it generally good with pushing people to the next thing. Any grind? Whats the difficulty? Translation decent enough to understand? Hows the pace of combat? ps1 jrpg battles love to take their time.
talking about both suikoden 1 and 2.
I'm excited to play this again. I never beat it. A random hint that I might offer: the very first optional recruit is in the first war battle. Just as a warning to those who want everyone.
I found out what the normal ending of the game was accidentally and it made me really upset knowing what would happen. It's bullshit that the first recruit is hard to get as it is.
Combat is fast paced for a turn based rpg. EXP is good because it scales with each individual so a regular encounter can be huge xp for someone that is way below your level so they will catch up quick.
To mainline the game, you don't need a guide. The objectives are laid out well and you won't get lost in town or world map because the layouts are simple and sectioned off in ways so that you will get funneled to the right place. You will need a guide if you want all 108 members as some have obtuse requirements
Translation is fine. 2 was rushed so there are some npcs that speak gibberish but this is inconsequential.
You can play 2 standalone, but playing 1 will give you better perspective and appreciation for the returning characters that go into 2.
To mainline the game, you don't need a guide. The objectives are laid out well and you won't get lost in town or world map because the layouts are simple and sectioned off in ways so that you will get funneled to the right place. You will need a guide if you want all 108 members as some have obtuse requirements
Translation is fine. 2 was rushed so there are some npcs that speak gibberish but this is inconsequential.
You can play 2 standalone, but playing 1 will give you better perspective and appreciation for the returning characters that go into 2.
OmegaDL50
Member
Suikoden 1 and 2 combat is very quick, attacks come out fast. A character runs up to the enemy swings their weapon and goes back to their standing spot if they are melee, If they are long range they will fire their gun, shoot and arrow, etc. Most attacks execute like a half a second.
The longest thing in combat is spell animations but even those are pretty quick.
Grinding is completely unnecessary, in fact experience is scaled in such a way the lower the party member the more exp is gained against stronger monsters.
A character always needs 1000 exp to get to the next level.
So a level 1 character fighting a level 5 monster will jump 2 to 3 levels instantly at the end of battle.
An even more extreme example, is that you can withhold most characters from entering combat until the end of the game and pick a select elite team to handle mostly everything. At the end of the game take your Leader and a few level 1s into the last area of the game with level 50 to 60 enemies and use the Main characters all-target death spell, and the group of level 1s will basically jump to level 40 to 50 in a single fight.
Here is a video showcasing how quick combat plays out in terms of animations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMwIOF9ER_0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP7rcv8QGt4
Super excited to play this game since I missed it on my ps1 days, but after replaying FFIX I couldn't get over how dated random encounters feel. It really diminished my experience and I didn't enjoy the game nearly as much as I did in the past. Does Suikoden II have random encounters?
Yes, but they are super fast and you have an auto battle option.
OmegaDL50
Member
Check the videos I posted above.
They aren't nearly as unbearably slow like FF9 is.
Once you recruit Kai it's pretty much game over for most random enemies for the rest of the game. His unite attack with the Hero pretty much destroys everything that isn't a boss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCKVIwSEAp8&t=0m7s
PHOENIXZERO
Member
That's what I was just thinking of.
InstallBase
Neo Member
Hi all,
This is Yuichi.. host to most of Konami Twitch streams
I want to thank the hardworking guys at Sony and Konami (such as our very own ToraShir0) to help with the push to release this classic to PSN and VITA.
Also, thank you to the followers and fans of our twitch stream..
Your support really did help show that this would be worth the effort.
If you are new to Suikoden, please give it a shot.
Suikoden II is a direct sequel to Suikoden I and, as far as I know, the saves can transfer from 1 to 2.
Thanks again.
This is Yuichi.. host to most of Konami Twitch streams
I want to thank the hardworking guys at Sony and Konami (such as our very own ToraShir0) to help with the push to release this classic to PSN and VITA.
Also, thank you to the followers and fans of our twitch stream..
Your support really did help show that this would be worth the effort.
If you are new to Suikoden, please give it a shot.
Suikoden II is a direct sequel to Suikoden I and, as far as I know, the saves can transfer from 1 to 2.
Thanks again.
Tiu Neo
Member
Alex_Mexico
Member
Not sure about the GoT similarity but I appreciate the S1 summary. I plan to play S2 and since Im skipping S1 I think this should help.
Hours Left
Member
Hi, welcome.
Thanks for pushing for this.
The first game is pretty short, if you can play it before S2, I'd highly recommend it.
tiggerkiddo
Member
Been wanting to play Suikoden 2 for years, will buy it as soon as I can.
Tiu Neo
Member
It's a PSOne classic, so it'll be digital only. Still worth it.
Not at the moment.
Seriously guys, I can't stress enough how fucking great the first three games are. V is OK, too, IV is garbage.
III specially holds a special place in my heart, the characters and story clicked with me.
One of the best things of the games is that you are playing in a small area of a huge world, you fight against some country knowing that there are countless others and knowing that even if you are gambling with yours and the life of thousands of people you are still just a small drop in a pond.
It's hard to put in words, but no other series has (had ) this sense of world building so nailed.
Oh, and even though you are fighting small border skirmishes in the big scope of things, you don't get the sensation that this is a meaningless game or the first episode of a series (like FFXIII, for example, where you just feel ripped off when completing those games because you know the devs intended to do more things and cut things on purpose).
Aaaaagh I want to go to Harmonia, damn it, I miss this series so fucking much.
III specially holds a special place in my heart, the characters and story clicked with me.
One of the best things of the games is that you are playing in a small area of a huge world, you fight against some country knowing that there are countless others and knowing that even if you are gambling with yours and the life of thousands of people you are still just a small drop in a pond.
It's hard to put in words, but no other series has (had
) this sense of world building so nailed.Oh, and even though you are fighting small border skirmishes in the big scope of things, you don't get the sensation that this is a meaningless game or the first episode of a series (like FFXIII, for example, where you just feel ripped off when completing those games because you know the devs intended to do more things and cut things on purpose).
Aaaaagh I want to go to Harmonia, damn it, I miss this series so fucking much.
#Suikoden I and II coming on the European PSN in January!
Date and price announced soon:
https://twitter.com/konamieu/status/541888868950495232
Benzychenz
Member
Hmm I think I'm going to make a US PSN account for PS1 classics.
That way I get 60hz along with these and other missing games (Final Fantasy Tactics, Chrono Cross, Xenogears, Dino Crisis etc etc).
Switching PSN accounts on Vita is a hassle but I think it'll be a good decision in the long run.
I guess I'll keep my 64gb card for my main EU account for digital only Vita games and PS+ stuff, then buy another 16gb or something for PS1 games.
That way I get 60hz along with these and other missing games (Final Fantasy Tactics, Chrono Cross, Xenogears, Dino Crisis etc etc).
Switching PSN accounts on Vita is a hassle but I think it'll be a good decision in the long run.
I guess I'll keep my 64gb card for my main EU account for digital only Vita games and PS+ stuff, then buy another 16gb or something for PS1 games.
There something in my eyes... is it raining maybe?
Well I'll be :O
thewhitehawk
Member
Oh wow, I was kind of bummed when I saw the announcement because I expected it to be exclusive for americans. Looks like we're finally getting some Suikoden love on the other side of the Atlantic. Hopefully it will be before my birthday, that would make a nice present
Tizoc
Member
This is new thread worthy, someone make one for it, you EU peeps deserve it!
I hope someone will open an OP for the game, it deserve to be bought from every JRPG player in this universe @@
the next targets for konami should be to release a ps4/vita versions of suikoden 3 and my favorite in the series suikoden 5 (the sales for s2 must convince them!) T_T
the next targets for konami should be to release a ps4/vita versions of suikoden 3 and my favorite in the series suikoden 5 (the sales for s2 must convince them!) T_T
Welcome, and thanks for all the effort to bring our beloved series to the vita!
Tiu Neo
Member
PAL versions?
I may create an European PSN account to buy both games again, and play the "fixed" version of Suikoden II. Also supporting the series, always an extra.
InstallBase
Neo Member
#Suikoden I and II coming on the European PSN in January!
Date and price announced soon:
https://twitter.com/konamieu/status/541888868950495232
So I guess I can talk about this..
but yes.. sometime in January, Europe will also get their hands on Suikoden 2.
I know many were upset about potentially missing out on this.
I hope this makes your day =)
Date and price announced soon:
https://twitter.com/konamieu/status/541888868950495232
So I guess I can talk about this..
but yes.. sometime in January, Europe will also get their hands on Suikoden 2.
I know many were upset about potentially missing out on this.
I hope this makes your day =)
Alex_Mexico
Member
Hi, welcome.
Thanks for pushing for this.
The first game is pretty short, if you can play it before S2, I'd highly recommend it.
How short? I don't have the patience for archaic, long and slow traditional jRPGs anymore. Im willing to give S2 a fair chance since I've been hearing for 15 years how good it is but Im not sure I can do that for S1 as well. I am, however, open to being convinced that the inferior S1 is really worth a try.
manzo
Member
Oh God. Trodding through the god-awful PAL50 copies or get the fixed version? This is a tough decision.
Tizoc
Member
You will get your PS2 Classics of Sui 3-5 and you will like them and dust off your PS3 to play them.
They are neither long nor slow. Auto battle and not having to grind ever make a world of difference.
Tiu Neo
Member
About 20 hours. Some mechanics on it are pretty archaic, and the walking on the first game is very, very slow, unless you equip a certain rune on one of your characters, but the battles are fast and dynamic. You can also just select the auto-battle option for the weaker enemies.