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[SDCowboy]

We're early on the third day. Which equals less than three days.

I said this is the 3rd day. This is the 3rd day in which PSN has been down in some capacity...or technically the 4th if you count Christmas eve in the US (as many have reported).

 

[Mifune]

And you are still wrong. It started going out on Xmas Eve night... period. And this is the third full day of it being out for many.

Which is still less than three days. Again, math.

 

[Hidden One]

And you are still wrong. It started going out on Xmas Eve night... period. And this is the third full day of it being out for many.

No you're wrong. I had 60+ people online which is the norm for my friends list at like 2:00 AM in the morn on Christmas Day. When I woke up and tried to play around 11:00 AM it was down then.

 

[Boke1879]

They are probably spending time with family and friends during the holidays, not playing games.

They play games and I'm sure they play games on the holidays. This isn't going unnoticed by them.

 

[TheStruggler]

That really tells me all I need to know about these guys...

ya pretty much, also they laugh at kids because they are playing games on their holidays yet they are spamming a serve with a bot and f5 to overload a server of said company, ya way more better/mature than playing games on the holidays....

 

[Colbert]

 

[SmokedMeat]

That really tells me all I need to know about these guys...

Fucking Ralphie from Christmas Story!

 

[gregor7777]

Then you were one of the lucky ones. Xbox Support confirmed issues starting Dec 24, and since.

"issues" is vague. Live has been up for the majority of users for days. That is a fact.

 

[shysaursoft]

No it's not actually as simple as that. At all. Go educate yourself before responding to subjects you know zero about.

Started late night on the 24th here. Early afternoon on the 27th now. Won't be three days until tonight.

The DDoS attack started 1PM EST on Dec 24th. It is now 12:39PM EST, Dec 27. It started against US datacenters first. EU would only be affected, if rarely, later.

"issues" is vague. Live has been up for the majority of users for days. That is a fact.

While I question your use of "majority" since you have no way of knowing, nobody does except Microsoft - the fact remains the DDoS attack affected both services, PSN more than XBL.

 

[Doomshine]

Then it needs to be a free service if it cannot handle all the users at one time. Simple as that.

Paid services have the same problems for the reasons he explained, it is a cost issue. It's not seen as a smart use of money, simple as that.

 

[Damian.]

Are you ever listening to what people are saying?? Things are not set-up that way paid or not.

For a paid service, it should be set up that way. I know it's not, but I am pointing out the fact that a paid service should be able to handle the entirety of users. If it cannot, then it should be a free service.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

You're saying a paid service service shouldn't be able to handle all the paid users at once? That is an ignorant line of thinking and why companies are fucking us with paltry bandwidth and why the network is still down.

100% of the time, no.

 

[gregor7777]

You're saying a paid service service shouldn't be able to handle all the paid users at once? That is an ignorant line of thinking and why companies are fucking us with paltry bandwidth and why the network is still down.

Dude....go read a book on network infrastructure and planning. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Keep in mind you're likely discussing this issue with several network engineers.

 

[Damian.]

Paid services have the same problems for the reasons he explained, it is a cost issue. It's not seen as a smart use of money, simple as that.

True, it is not seen as a smart use of money to the corporation who is actively trying to get more people to pay more money and investing as little as possible into the actual infrastructure.

 

[Exploding8]

You're saying a paid service service shouldn't be able to handle all the paid users at once? That is an ignorant line of thinking and why companies are fucking us with paltry bandwidth and why the network is still down.

You're basically asking stores to be able to handle three times the max capacity of their store so people won't get trampled on Black Friday. Or highways to be eight lanes wide so there won't be traffic jams on major travel days. Its unreasonable. The companies would go broke having that much hardware lying around, and the hardware would go unused 95% of the time. The world doesn't work that way.

 

[theapg]

Is PSN still not working?! I was on the psn store last night and everyone was saying it was working.

 

[bananafactory]

The DDoS attacks started around 1PM EST on Dec 24.

That was when XBL and PSN went down, hard, instantly. There were periods where either one might work for some people, depending on a billion factors, but that is the moment where things went downhill.

It is now Dec 27.

I was online until 2-3 pm christmas day. So it was different for everyone

 

[Loudninja]

Somehow this turn into system wars.

 

[Hidden One]

Is PSN still not working?! I was on the psn store last night and everyone was saying it was working.

Underwaterings stopped lending us his bandwidth.
/s

 

[SDCowboy]

Is PSN still not working?! I was on the psn store last night and everyone was saying it was working.

It seems to be down on my end.

 

[echoshifting]

For a paid service, it should be set up that way. I know it's not, but I am pointing out the fact that a paid service should be able to handle the entirety of users. If it cannot, then it should be a free service.

Nobody would buy it, because maintaining such an infrastructure would be exponentially more expensive and much of that cost would be passed to users. Your scenario is a loser for all parties involved.

 

[BrunoM]

Somehow this turn into system wars.

Where you expecting anything other than that ??

 

[Chaplain]

MICRO$OFT.

seriously though, Microsoft.

Spoiler

it wasn't them though...

Spoiler

...unless they also did a false flag op on themselves.

This is an interesting theory that also came across my mind. My wife also agrees with this.

 

[ironcreed]

No you're wrong. I had 60+ people online which is the norm for my friends list at like 2:00 AM in the morn on Christmas Day. When I woke up and tried to play around 11:00 AM it was down then.

No, I am not. It went out for me while I was playing and many others, as indicated by the many other posts. You are not the world, friend.

 

[InfiniteUnrest]

Morons. Playing video games and spending time with family isn't mutually exclusive. My wife, son, and I were not able to enjoy several of his new games together because of this and instead of making Christmas better it put a damper on it.

Kids or adults, some severe punishment for those responsible is deserved.

You don't raise awareness by bullying millions of people.

 

[UglyPony]

I am really curious about what the hell is going on at sony. How and why it takes them so long to get their services back up and running again. Are there signs of successful hack attempts or are the services held up by life support as it is? I can understand that large scale DDoS attacks are not easy to mitigate without impact on the legitimate users. But needing close to 3 days (and still counting) to get the services up and running is rather embarrassing.

I cant imagine how much revenue they are losing not being reachable during the holidays.

 

[CambriaRising]

I merely explained to you that companies don't set up their network infrastructure for 100% peak load, paid or not.

But whatever. I guess that makes me some kind of corporate apologist.

Just don't even bother. Some of these people just want to vent, they don't care about having an educated dialogue on the issue at hand.

 

[gregor7777]

Somehow this turn into system wars.

One is up, one is down. Simple as that.

This is likely affecting sales in some way, so it matters in the Wars.

 

[Mifune]

I said this is the 3rd day. This is the 3rd day in which PSN has been down in some capacity...or technically the 4th if you count Christmas eve in the US (as many have reported).

That's a pretty arbitrary definition of day. One day equals 24 hours. By my count this has been going on quite a bit less than 72 hours, ie the definition of three days.

 

[Hoo-doo]

For a paid service, it should be set up that way. I know it's not, but I am pointing out the fact that a paid service should be able to handle the entirety of users. If it cannot, then it should be a free service.

How are you this dense. Holy shit. No service on the planet is set up that way because it would be completely pointless in 99,99% of cases.

 

[Nealand Liquor]

It hasn't even been three days. Christ where did some of you guys learn math?

Huh?
This is day four, for me. I haven't been able to log in since the 23rd. Seeing as it is now the 27th, I am four days into this shitshow. Unless somehow the 24th, 25th, 26th and now 27th don't add up to four days, I'd say my "math" just fine.

 

[Beefy]

And you are still wrong. It started going out on Xmas Eve night... period. And this is the third full day of it being out for many.

It's like people have different experiences.

 

[Hidden One]

No, I am not. It went out for me while I was playing and many others, as indicated by the many other posts. You are not the world, friend.

It's funny how that goes.

 

[Comet]

The angrier people get about this, the more they incentivize groups who do this for the lulz

 

[KePoW]

You're basically asking stores to be able to handle three times the max capacity of their store so people won't get trampled on Black Friday. Or highways to be eight lanes wide so there won't be traffic jams on major travel days. Its unreasonable. The companies would go broke having that much hardware lying around, and the hardware would go unused 95% of the time. The world doesn't work that way.

As someone who does not know the technical aspects, what's to prevent LS from doing this every single day if they want? Is that possible??

 

[shysaursoft]

I was online until 2-3 pm christmas day. So it was different for everyone

Yes. Because of the nature of how a DDoS works, there are people who would be unaffected.

Imagine you live in a house and you only let in people whom you designate as friends. Unfortunately, the only way to tell if someone is your friend is they have to ring a doorbell, and you have to go up to the door, open it and physically check if they are your friend or not before you let them in.

Now, if it was normal internet traffic, you can handle this simple task fairly well.

Now if a DDOS was going on, imagine millions of people (who have no business being there) rushing to your door, and each one constantly ringing the doorbell, and you having to keep getting back up, open the damn door, and check each one.

I mean, by your example, a system is already in place like that: authetication/security certificates. But like I said, you still have to actually check each connection to even verify. A DDOS is just the massive traffic spike while the server is going crazy trying to figure out who the hell is trying to come in.

why not just have your friends do a special door bell ring sequence? that way you know when its a friend or some random asshole.

Aha, you forget the part about the million assholes at your front door all trying to ring the doorbell.

Your legitimate friends might actually be in that million, and they're trying to get to the door... but they can't, because there's a million assholes trying to ring the damn doorbell.

By some miracle, one of your friends actually makes it to the doorbell, THEN you let them in. This is why during a DDOS attack, you might get amazingly lucky and actually be able to log in. By pure dumb luck, you managed to initiate a handshake and the server went "oh thank fucking god, someone who isnt an asshole" and lets you in.

But then you do the stupid thing, and realize that you forgot something in your car, so you have to go back outside. And goddamit, the only way back in is through those million assholes. This is also why if you're already logged in, you're could be perfectly fine, but as soon as you do the stupid thing and log out, you're screwed.

 

[Dawg]

I'm just happy both consoles didn't go the "always online" road. Even if only one of them was planning to do it.

At least I can still play most of my games offline. Shitstorm would be worse if I couldn't even access my console.

 

[InfiniteUnrest]

No, I am not. It went out for me while I was playing and many others, as indicated by the many other posts. You are not the world, friend.

Same here. Attacks started Christmas Eve evening (I started having issues reconnecting and losing connection to Destiny) and by Christmas morning, no network access.

 

[ironcreed]

Which is still less than three days. Again, math.

No shit. I said it is ON the third full day. Xmas, yesterday and today. That is three and it will be officially three days tonight. Again, reading comprehension.

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

Then you were one of the lucky ones. Xbox Support confirmed issues starting Dec 24, and since.

Had 2 minutes of problems on Christmas day on my X1.. haven had no problems since.

 

[vypek]

You're saying a paid service service shouldn't be able to handle all the paid users at once? That is an ignorant line of thinking and why companies are fucking us with paltry bandwidth and why the network is still down.

Very few large scale networks, paid or not, can accept 100% of the user base.

 

[Gritesh]

This is so dumb.

 

[Marvel]

Somehow this turn into system wars.

Always does.

 

[gruenel]

You're basically asking stores to be able to handle three times the max capacity of their store so people won't get trampled on Black Friday. Or highways to be eight lanes wide so there won't be traffic jams on major travel days. Its unreasonable. The companies would go broke having that much hardware lying around, and the hardware would go unused 95% of the time. The world doesn't work that way.

That's a good analogy!

 

[SDCowboy]

That's a pretty arbitrary definition of day. One day equals 24 hours. By my count this has been going on quite a bit less than 72 hours, ie the definition of three days.

Why are you playing semantics here? This is the 4th day in a row where PSN has been down at some point (at least in the US). Regardless of how many actual continual hours. That is unacceptable.

 

[shysaursoft]

Had 2 minutes of problems on Christmas day on my X1.. haven had no problems since.

YOUR EXPERIENCE DOES NOT CONSTITUTE THE EXPERIENCE EVERYONE ELSE WOULD HAVE IN THIS SITUATION.

Very few large scale networks, paid or not, can accept 100% of the user base.

And that is why neither Twitter nor Google managed to stay online in 2009 during one specific event, correct? Or why almost every paid MMO has issues on launch day, or expansion pack day?

 

[Damian.]

How are you this dense. Holy shit. No service on the planet is set up that way because it would be completely pointless in 99,99% of cases.

I am not asking for the bandwidth requirements to allow everyone to use the network at max capacity, but the common decency to at least have the bandwidth for the majority of users to log-in at the same time would be great. This is the sort of thing you expect from a paid internet service.

 

[BronsonLee]

Always does.

Fuck you DC is better! *shoves*

 

[vypek]

You're basically asking stores to be able to handle three times the max capacity of their store so people won't get trampled on Black Friday. Or highways to be eight lanes wide so there won't be traffic jams on major travel days. Its unreasonable. The companies would go broke having that much hardware lying around, and the hardware would go unused 95% of the time. The world doesn't work that way.

This is a good explanation.

 

[Kayant]

Sometimes it's best people stay ignorant it seems...