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Place your bets: Age of Ultron vs The Force Awakens

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sappyday

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Let's not forget that many here thought Rises was gonna blow The Avengers away (both financially and critically).
 

bionic77

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I think Star Wars is going to be a much better film.

But I think Avengers has a broader appeal, especially internationally.

I think SW will barely do better domestically but Avengers will beat it internationally.

Changing gears, why do people care which film makes more money at the box office? As long as the movie makes enough to justify a sequel isn't that enough?
 

Anth0ny

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Hard to call, but I'm going to say Avengers. That Marvel brand is too strong right now. I can see it going either way, honestly.

2015 is going to be so good.
 

Jarmel

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Changing gears, why do people care which film makes more money at the box office? As long as the movie makes enough to justify a sequel isn't that enough?

Marvel or SW stans who want to feel like they're the top dawg despite the same studio now owning both companies so it's just as valuable as a pissing contest into the wind.
 

ElTopo

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Star Wars. Every single nerd on this planet will be watching it on minute 1. Dudes will call in sick to watch it. The general public is hype and there's that universal curiosity if it's better than the prequels.

As good as Age of Ultron looks, I get the feeling that we might be on the verge of the superhero burnout.

Real answer is that Disney wins.
 

BTM

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Marvel or SW stans who want to feel like they're the top dawg despite the same studio now owning both companies so it's just as valuable as a pissing contest into the wind.

Those are my favorite kinds of contests.
 
I don't know enough about star wars to determine whether or not it'll be a better movie. How can we? We know nothing of the story/script, which is quite a bit of what makes a movie good.

Avengers is, at this point, a much more known quantity. It's not a good comparison.
 

NYR

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You do realize the overseas box-office has completely changed in the 10 years since Episode III right? 50-50 was the norm then. It blew up since then.
Not true. Here are the top 5 plus Star Wars for every year it came out. I added more data for 1999 to prove it wasn't 50/50, even back then. Highlighted is when it is greater than 59% for worldwide box office total.

1999:
1 Star Wars: Episode I - 43.8%/56.2%
2 The Sixth Sense - 43.6%/56.4%
3 Toy Story 2 - 50.7%/49.3%
4 The Matrix - 37.0%/63.0%
5 Tarzan - 38.2%/61.8%
6 The Mummy - 37.4%/62.6%
7 Notting Hill - 31.9%/68.1%
8 The World Is Not Enough - 35.1%/64.9%
9 American Beauty - 36.5%/63.5%

2002:
1 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers - 36.8%/63.2%
2 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - 29.8%/70.2%
3 Spider-Man - 49.1%/50.9%
4 Star Wars: Episode II - 47.2%/52.8%
5 Men in Black II - 43.1%/56.9%
6 Die Another Day - 37.3%/62.7%

2005:
1 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - 32.3%/67.7%
2 Star Wars: Episode III - 44.8%/55.2%
3 The Chronicles of Narnia - 39.2%/60.8%
4 War of the Worlds - 39.6%/60.4%
5 King Kong- 39.6%/60.4%
6 Madagascar - 36.3%/63.7%
 

Saya

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The hype for Star Wars just before release will be nothing we have seen before. Will be almost comparable to the release of Episode I.
 

deim0s

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Age of Ultron.

The prequel-trilogy 'additions' left a sour taste in my mouth ruining my near-perfect SW childhood.
 
Star wars has a lot more to prove. The last THREE films were bad and it's been coasting on good will from films from the 70s and 80s.

The MCU on the other hand has been printing money since Iron Man and has a lot more goodwill. AoU will outgross Avengers 1 pretty easily. Episode VII is not likely to outgross Phantom menace. The insane hype preceding that film in 99 is gone.
 

bionic77

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Marvel or SW stans who want to feel like they're the top dawg despite the same studio now owning both companies so it's just as valuable as a pissing contest into the wind.
:lol Disney must love these kind of debates as they laugh their way to the bank.

I really don't care which movie makes more money but my heart and soul demands another good SW movie. If such a thing as SW prequels existed (they don't in my house) and were horrible movies that made me doubt everything I thought I knew about life, than this movie and the 2 that follow need to be great to reinforce to me that life if really worth living and that my entire life to this point was not a lie.
 

Dead

well not really...yet
Avengers will disappoint critically and will perform below the first movie

Star Wars will get mixed reviews, but will perform over the prequels but not over 1.3 Bil
 

bionic77

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Age of Ultron.

But I am super excited for both.
I am probably in the minority but I was not in love with Avengers and am not that excited for the sequel.

The only Marvel movie I really loved was Guardians of the Galaxy (which to me was Marvel meets Star Wars done perfectly).

But I am never opposed to more awesome movies so hopefully Avengers 2 improves on the first.
 
Star wars has a lot more to prove. The last THREE films were bad and it's been coasting on good will from films from the 70s and 80s.

The MCU on the other hand has been printing money since Iron Man and has a lot more goodwill. AoU will outgross Avengers 1 pretty easily. Episode VII is not likely to outgross Phantom menace. The insane hype preceding that film in 99 is gone.

There is absolutely not a chance in hell it doesn't get to a billion, which will put it right up there with Phantom Menace. The prequels won't hurt it at all. Everyone who hates the prequels will be there opening weekend. EVERYONE. So, as long as it doesn't turn out bad and people go back for repeat viewings, it'll do amazing. But, worse case I can't imagine it still not reaching a billion.

It's a new Star Wars with the return of the original characters played by the original actors, and the person who is blamed for the trash that is the prequels is gone. Episode 8 will suffer if 7 is bad, but 7 won't suffer because of the prequels.

1,000 fandango fans can't be wrong!
 

jett

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I'm giving it to assvengers for now. Mahvel is just tearing through everything, and Star Wars has been dormant for a while, after a string of dreadful movies. People are really letting their fanboyism get the best of them, and forgetting that Avengers Uno grossed 1.5 billion dollars.
 

EulaCapra

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My crystal ball says:

Star Wars will be more well-received.

Avengers will make around $450 million more at the worldwide box office.

Meryl Streep will be nominated for yet another Oscar.

Cookie Kwan still number one realtor in the West Side.
 

Zoolader

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I'll only be interested in the new Star Wars if they bring back Jar Jar Binks and have him slaughtered gruesomely.
 
I'm giving it to assvengers for now. Mahvel is just tearing through everything, and Star Wars has been dormant for a while, after a string of dreadful movies. People are really letting their fanboyism get the best of them, and forgetting that Avengers Uno grossed 1.5 billion dollars.

It's just hard to predict. I think the low end for both is $1 billion even if they're bad, and the fucking sky's the limit for both if they are good. So, who really knows. One advantage Star Wars has is that it will have weeks (months?) all to itself thanks to it coming out in December. That could be huge for its legs if it turns out good.
 

kirby_fox

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I'll place my money on Star Wars to make more money, but more people to like Avengers more.

Star Wars draws people to it. Even if it's bad, people will still see 3 movies and pay to do so. Avengers on the other hand has been progressively good, however I feel like there's no hype around it like the previous films. People will like it more simply because I expect people to hate Star Wars because it's new and it's not the original trilogy.

I'd see Star Wars, because I've skipped a handful of the Marvel movies. Furious 7, Jurassic World, Magic Mike XXL, Hunger Games, and The Good Dinosaur will be the ones to potentially do better sales wise- but it's doubtful they'll come close to what Star Wars brings in.
 

Jarmel

Banned
It's just hard to predict. I think the low end for both is $1 billion even if they're bad, and the fucking sky's the limit for both if they are good. So, who really knows. One advantage Star Wars has is that it will have weeks (months?) all to itself thanks to it coming out in December. That could be huge for its legs if it turns out good.

If the movie is good, people will rewatch it to high heaven. I would say SW's theoretical cap is higher but who the hell knows.
 

Mr.Swag

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I see STAR WARS matching The Dark Knight domestically, but overperforming overseas. $1.35 billion total.

Avengers 2 I see matching the first one, plus or minus $50 million the worldwide total.

Better film Star Wars. Marvel formula is getting stale
 
There is absolutely not a chance in hell it doesn't get to a billion, which will put it right up there with Phantom Menace. The prequels won't hurt it at all. Everyone who hates the prequels will be there opening weekend. EVERYONE. So, as long as it doesn't turn out bad and people go back for repeat viewings, it'll do amazing. But, worse case I can't imagine it still not reaching a billion.

It's a new Star Wars with the return of the original characters played by the original actors, and the person who is blamed for the trash that is the prequels is gone. Episode 8 will suffer if 7 is bad, but 7 won't suffer because of the prequels.

1,000 fandango fans can't be wrong!

Can't say I agree. The movie is going to have to be legitimately great to pull over a billion, and blockbuster films tend not to take the kinds of risks that allow for "great."

Star Wars does well with people who have fond memories of the original trilogy, and most of those are 30 to 40 years old now at least. These aren't the people that camp out or line up day 1 for midnight releases anymore.

You're going to have to convince 17,18, 19 year olds that got burned by attack of the clones that star wars is totally worth it this time for a strong opening weekend, and we're past the point where special effects alone put asses in seats.


Avengers doesn't have this problem. It's bringing tons of goodwill to the table and is extremely relevant to the teen and preteen set in a way that star wars hasn't been for a couple of decades.

Star wars will do blockbuster numbers, but I can see this one being more dark knight rises than TDK.
 
Star Wars doesn't even have to be good.

To compete with Avengers it absolutely does. None of the prequels made anywhere near Avengers One money. It will certainly make Disney piles of cash even if it's bad, though.

You're going to have to convince 17,18, 19 year olds that got burned by attack of the clones that star wars is totally worth it this time for a strong opening weekend, and we're past the point where special effects alone put asses in seats.

They will come for the hype. They will come again if it's good. I also don't know that people who were kids when the prequels came out think they're bad movies. I honestly don't. I know I was a teenager and think they're shit, but I have no clue what pre-teens thought/think of them. I kind of assume they were okay with them, mainly because that's what George Lucas claims.

Star wars will do blockbuster numbers, but I can see this one being more dark knight rises than TDK.

You do know that Rises made more than Knight, right?
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
JP was huge back in the day and fans are hungry
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Gleethor

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Yeah guys the prequels damaged the brand by making millions of dollars at the BO, spawning a hugely successful animated series that ran for 6 years and selling a gajillion dollars in merchandise. Star Wars will never recover I'm sure.
 

sappyday

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JP was huge back in the day and fans are hungry

The sequels made less money as after each. Fans are hungry but Marvel/Star Wars fans outweigh them tremendously. Mocking Jay Part II will pretty much make more considering the first two films made more than Jurassic Park and the fans for The Hunger Games are still in the teenage demographic.

Yeah guys the prequels damaged the brand by making millions of dollars at the BO, spawning a hugely successful animated series that ran for 6 years and selling a gajillion dollars in merchandise. Star Wars will never recover I'm sure.

Who said Star Wars is going to tank?
 
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