Insane Metal
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When can I play this beauty?
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The Order 1886: Official spoiler thread for all black bars
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ArkkAngel007
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I've kicked that object before, along with other folks here, and have never seen it land like that directly on the table. Well done.
Also, stop leaking the game, please.
I do appreciate you guys keeping it all in a single thread, however, and using thetags appropriately.spoiler
Also:10 more days!
I figured you guys would have fun with the physics lol
It is a shame that it's leaking early. I'm probably one of those folks who that oft-cited study on enhanced enjoyment through spoilers refers to, but at the same time I understand how everyone there at RAD and Sony want everyone to enjoy it as intended and not have someone's experience ruined.
That all said, what I've seen from just that first chapter of the game and bits of 2 look fantastic, and these 10 days are going to be a long wait. Great job to everyone there.
Not soon enough. Too hyped for my own good. Can't stop browsing any thread related to this game haha.
10 days.
littlemagician
Member
Have the review copies been released already? Weird that one guy in Europe has it already.
Doubt it just that one guy.
Dictator93
Member
I am seeing what appears to be a lot of baked direct lighting (shadows) in some scenes. I knew the game would of course used baked indirect (like nearly all games), but that surprises me a bit.
I think it was at least equally the fault of the game. The lycans kept attacking him from off-screen at first, with no chance to evade (no prompt appeared) and no way to counter. Only when he started cheesing the fight by camping in a corner did he start killing the things.
Yeah, cramped space plus cramped perspective plus enemies coming out of nowhere...
littlemagician
Member
well at least that one journo loved the game.
BabyFaceKillah
Member
a little of both
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
That's what I'm talking about!King Kong-style pls
Psychological Intellect
Banned
That lycan combat looked hella janky
nelsonroyale
Member
There is no night and day cycle. It would probably be too expensive to model the same complexity of lighting using a fully dynamic approach.
Yeah, that didn't look fun at all.
gamechanger87
Member
Either the sensitivity needs to be upped or the control scheme isn't meant for this. He turns so slow.
nelsonroyale
Member
Lycan fight looked fine to me. Sure a bit frustrating, but also a bit intense and amusing. Reminds me of Dog Soldiers a little.
The best way is to use hip fire, which is often neglected in TPS games. You can see he uses it a bit during the fight and the turn rate is much higher.
I died so many times in Uncharted 1 against the zombies while trying to aim until I realised I could hip fire the shotgun.
Just seems like a bad combo all around. The level was kinda cramped and the Lycans look super fast.
Not sure what people expect here.
The lycan isnt just going to stay at a distance and let you win.
gamechanger87
Member
Even when hes not aiming it seems sluggish. Hes having trouble getting through the corridors to get an angle. Its like there is too much weight on him. He's not wearing a suit of armor is he.
littlemagician
Member
just watched the lycan fight. the area is not as cramped as you guy are making it out to be, as well the guy keeps running in the opposite direction that he was attacked.
ArkkAngel007
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If he didn't move to a different part of the room where he couldn't cove multiple lanes, nor kept turning around and facing walls and corner repeatedly, it wouldn't have been a problem. Bar of course the difficulties of the contextual action, which can't really be figured out by just watching and with the player already giving a poor showing.
It's not cheesing. It's what you're supposed to do.
indigo-cyclops
Member
They'd be complaining if it was too easy.
tank controls vs cramped place + super fast enemy = not fun.
Dictator93
Member
My quote should say direct lighting, not indirect lighting. I mistyped.
Liked baked shadows and stuff.
Yeah its not the guy backed into the same corner again and again the area was bigger.
gamechanger87
Member
I think the issue is that he seems to be more fighting with the controls than the enemies. I think this game may require high sensitivity settings for any battle like this. When he dives out of the way he has trouble turning quickly enough to engage.
nelsonroyale
Member
Ah okay, thanks for clarifying. Do you know what type of lighting solution they are using?
littlemagician
Member
You have me confused, the area is plenty big but the player is making simple errors.
Sorry I was agreeing with you.
bananafactory
Banned
He continuously had an x prompt when the Lycans charged at him, I suspect he was just fucking up and not hitting it properly. Even when they were offscreen, you see the prompt show up briefly before they attack.
littlemagician
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lol,sorry. It looks more player at fault than the game tbh
ArkkAngel007
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Not a problem when you do what you're supposed to do and cover the lanes they come from and hit the contextual action.
You're making it sound like it's the Ch.6 end boss in The Evil Within where there's not much the player can do to avoid attacks and easily fight back.
A lot of the time it came up when aiming, so either he was too distracted on figuring out whether to shoot or dodge (if he even really understood given he ignored so many commands in the game prior) or you have to stop aiming and then hit the contextual action key in order to perform the dodge.
Not sure what was up with the warding off contextual action though. Think out of a dozen or so attempts he only pulled it off twice.
Dictator93
Member
Real time direct lighting and shadows in pretty much most scenes, cube map image based lighting for local indirect specular stuff, dynamic characters use this weird reflection system showed first in Remember Me. Other than that I have no specific idea. The indirect lighting from the sun while they are inside or under ledges appears baked, but it is hard to tell from this video, it could just be really great IBL placement,
But the one thing that wasn't hard to tell was baked shadows and stuff when he is in a few of the court yards. You can tell because character shadows start getting odd as well as the baked shadows being really diffuse instead of sharp like the real time ones.
All in all I think the lighting in the game is good though. Just wish I could see some native footage.
CassidyIzABeast
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Strategy seems to the same as it is for Stalkers in DS2. Dodge being a standard button rather than contextual would clear up any frustration.
littlemagician
Member
Even if it is controls. he is making the same mistakes over and over again. when the ww strikes the game highlighted the specific direction you were attacked but the guy kept running into the same corner.
bananafactory
Banned
Not to mention he always seems to be facing the wrong way and even when you can tell the Lycan is behind him he doesn't turn around to face it.
Just seems kind of incompetent
ArkkAngel007
Member
Not really. He had plenty of time (2-3 second windows) and just didn't seem to attempt it for most of the first several tries.
gamechanger87
Member
What I was looking at was even when he dodges, he can't turn quick enough to engage. He's trying to turn and hit them up close but the character moves too slow. He ends up staying in the corner when he realizes that he can't turn quick enough.
XxRampage07xX
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I don't know exactly how control layout looks like but if I were him, I would keep pressing dodge button or whatever button it was to roll until those lycans were in my sight.
littlemagician
Member
look almost as annoying as fighting the yetis in uncharted 2.
edit:in a good way
edit:in a good way
gamechanger87
Member
I hope to god that the dodge roll isn't entire contextual. I know that circle is enter cover and X is exit. I have a feeling dodge only works when they dive at you.
It would be so much easier if he could do that.
XxRampage07xX
Member
I think this is a common response of many persons (including me) when being attacked from unknown direction. When I play any multiplayer shooter and being hit when running, I will just keep running straight forward or make a sharp turn to find cover as after all, finding a place to hide still give me more chances to survive than turning around and facing enemies whose weapons are being aimed directly at me the whole time.
That's said, if he (and I
) were better players, he would have a better respond
CassidyIzABeast
Member
No argument there. He was definitely asscheeks.
nelsonroyale
Member
really appreciate the insight mate. Seems like quite the hybrid system. I suppose it is necessary though to produce the kind of results we are seeing, while trying to be as power efficient as possible given system constraints.
Popsickles
Member
I dont understand all the moans, game looks hard = no fun. Player dies = no fun, Battle looks too challenging for me = no fun. Seriously this is why there is so much hand holding and virtually no difficulty levels in games these days. Press X to win