How are they getting a pick-up truck of a small American plumbing company in Texas and retrofitting it with a 0.50 calibre machine gun? ISIS is extremely well funded, especially from places like Saudi Arabia and many radicals who live around the world.
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ISIS releases video purporting to show Islamic State killing 21 Egyptian Christians
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How are they getting a pick-up truck of a small American plumbing company in Texas and retrofitting it with a 0.50 calibre machine gun? ISIS is extremely well funded, especially from places like Saudi Arabia and many radicals who live around the world.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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if you are a known supporter should be given a free flight and thrown out the plane over the territories this cancer holds, parachute optional.
SkylineRKR
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ISIS spawned from Al Qaeda Iraq. So their rise was basically after Saddam was brought down.
Iraq was better off with Saddam. Its a mess ever since, way worse than it ever was. I think that, in a lifelong dictatorship... you can't just change that up thinking its for the better. Its complete anarchy. Its also sort of arrogant to think 'our' way of life is the ideal one. Forcefeeding our standards into another culture doesn't work. In the end the west created this beast. But ofcourse those people are depraved themselves.
Orange suits, and they also tell where they are.
And someone, somewhere edits their footage thoroughly somewhere and uploads it to different sites.
With all the internet surveillance going on nowadays, SOMEONE must be able to track those fuckers down.
RustyNails
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A letter from Muhammad, the founder of Islam "is not mainstream in Islam"? Dude, you can't get more mainstream than that.
RustyNails
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fse
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Just watched it not long ago, I wonder what it will take before Obama, Cameron & Putin etc decide to do something, it is like they are scared to do or say anything.
I think the time has finally arrived for this
they don't have any balls, especially obama. red line, etc..
Forsete
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Whoever these guys are, behind those masks, I hope they suffer before they die.
Here in Sweden it is common for foreigners to buy old used vehicles (they especially like Toyota pickups), which they export to Africa and the middle east. Those vehicles sometimes end up in these videos. I remember seeing a Toyota pickup with a Swedish registration number in one video from Syria.
Maybe the same thing happens in the US?
I once got a letter offering to buy my old Honda because I was temporarily deregistered (it was rusty and I didn't want to drive it).
Here in Sweden it is common for foreigners to buy old used vehicles (they especially like Toyota pickups), which they export to Africa and the middle east. Those vehicles sometimes end up in these videos. I remember seeing a Toyota pickup with a Swedish registration number in one video from Syria.
Maybe the same thing happens in the US?
I once got a letter offering to buy my old Honda because I was temporarily deregistered (it was rusty and I didn't want to drive it).
CadetMahoney
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Probably all part of the plan, de-stabalize the area then pull out and let the aftermath of war run havoc. All whilst the public think it's Islam's fault, when really the war machine is to blame. ISIS will be still there in 5 years time.
Like the other atrocities these ppl do, the west will not give much thought and nothing will be done about it just like massacres in Africa. Except the Americans where in the middle east and fucked things up and then left.
For the next 5 years we will hear same things from that region. It conveniences the west that these guys are de-stabalizing that region.
1 makes everyone think "this is Islam", another news headline
2 keep the region in the stone age
3 they destroy monuments and so on, which is what some in the west want
4 other ulterior motives, possible get Syria
The west has proven they're not genuinely interested in wiping them out. Just keep them in that area, the moment they start becoming a threat to places that have US bases like Turkey and so on, only then do you see some interest. Human lives matter none, killing their own is all good and all according to keikkaku. There will be bombings and news how "ISIS have been set back" but they will still be there 5 years from now. Proof that they don't really care about actually wiping them out for the reasons above.
We shoulda just left the Middle East alone.
Wow.
Isn´t there a conspiracy thread here on GAF where you can keep this discussion instead?
The destabilization of Syria and Iraq which ISIS is contributing to is probably aligned with interests of Isreal and the United States to some extent, military action is probably not going to happen without benefits beyond moral good.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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Logic suggests that an organism as brutal as this will eventually destroy itself from within, there must be numerous scheming factions within it, all having their own agenda and ideas.
..of course the question is are we willing to wait for them to do it to them themselves.
..of course the question is are we willing to wait for them to do it to them themselves.
Lamel
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Though he takes it to a bit extreme end, I wouldn't doubt that destabilization of the middle east is beneficial in some ways for the USA.
Just watched it not long ago, I wonder what it will take before Obama, Cameron & Putin etc decide to do something, it is like they are scared to do or say anything.
I think the time has finally arrived for this
Yeah great idea you fucking moron. Use a nuclear bomb and indiscriminately kill untold amounts of people living in tyranny under ISIS.
m_shortpants
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US foreign policy in the Middle East is and has been so fucking boneheaded that either our decision makers are braindead morons, or they're geniuses.
I mean, do you really think that it's reaching? The US has in the past destablized countries for our own purposes. If we wanted to wipe out ISIS we could have done so last year.
I understand what you are getting at.
But sometimes, it pays off to be realistic about stuff and look from all the different angles about a problem than just the conspiracy stuff. I am so tired of that.
You have different countries, different leaders, different lobbyists, different agendas, different open information for the public to see, different societies, different political systems.
Conspiracy theorists just whip it all together and *tada*, there is a simple explanation for everything.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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If they released a video showing they had obtained a nuclear bomb (highly improbable, but they will, no doubt be trying) would you feel the same?
Don't worry, I'm sure world leaders are all prepping their statements condemning this video in the strongest way possible.
BrokenEchelon
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Execute them all. Execute anyone found to be supporting them. Charge anyone who leaves their home country to join them with treason and execute them too.
Carpet bomb any holdouts without civillians nearby, sadly though these rats hide in populated areas.
Carpet bomb any holdouts without civillians nearby, sadly though these rats hide in populated areas.
King Tubby
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You're the one who introduced the "conspiracy" element. Nothing in his post was particularly tinfoil hat.
Boots would be on the ground well before that point, but even if they did acquire one using a nuclear weapon is essentially forbidden until and unless you have been attacked with one already.
You want to talk about how to fuck everything up even worse and turn the West into villains in a comparison against ISIS, nukes are a damn good way of doing that.
Yeahh its really cool how people can say one thing but act completely the opposit.
It doesnt matter if it is from mu or from a anyone else not to mention that you have scholars that doubt the letter anyway and other "scholars" that at best acknowledge it but still willingly act against it.
I mean look around the world where does persecution of Christians still happen... yeah mainstream letter ..
SkylineRKR
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Most countries will follow suit. The superpowers pretty much decide the course of action. Most of Europe will allign with the USA. They also supported the Iraq invasion, and also kept a blind eye to savage African dictators.
Yes? What would dropping a nuclear bomb solve? Do you think nuclear weapons magically solve problems and by dropping one all of a sudden everything would be fixed? How would that actively prevent ISIS from launching their own if they had one? If you needed to bomb the facility that contained it, you don't need a nuclear bomb to do that.
All using a nuclear weapon would do would be to lead to even more recruitment for Islamists. Have people not been paying attention to anything over the past few decades?
Souldestroyer Reborn
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Yep. I agree.
As far as I'm concerned now, if you sympathise with them, you're one of them by association and you deserve to be removed from any civilised country by means of exportation or death. Preferably the latter.
It's the only way and it's only a matter of time.
These people are fucking this world up for everyone including people of their own faith who just want to get on with their lives.
It's about time we properly do something about it, if it results in WW III then so be it. If that's what it takes.
Miles Quaritch
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Egypt has a low level IS presence? Since when?
DrForester
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Just watched it not long ago, I wonder what it will take before Obama, Cameron & Putin etc decide to do something, it is like they are scared to do or say anything.
I think the time has finally arrived for this
Does Putin give a shit what's going on the middle east?
One thing I don't understand is why anyone thinks that wearing black jumpsuits and cutting someone's head off makes them look like a hero. In what world does this inspire a feeling of "Truly these are the good guys doing God's work!" It's almost comically evil, as if they're trying to look like villains.
I can understand in a weird twisted way how a disaffected Muslim youth might join ISIS thinking that they're doing God's work to re-establish the Caliphate, but then something like this is so blatantly heinous that I can't process how you can watch it and go "Clearly this is what I want to do."
I can understand in a weird twisted way how a disaffected Muslim youth might join ISIS thinking that they're doing God's work to re-establish the Caliphate, but then something like this is so blatantly heinous that I can't process how you can watch it and go "Clearly this is what I want to do."
davepoobond
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Sisi is ISIS backwards
This is going to happen more and more. People who live in those areas need to fight this extremist culture.
It's his backyard, he'd better be fucking concerned.
Souldestroyer Reborn
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I actually often wonder what would happen if the nuclear weaponised countries all agreed to nuke ISIS positions due to them all sustaining losses at the hands of these terrorists, what would the world be like?
Would it be better or would it be worse?
Would it be better or would it be worse?
RustyNails
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No one doubts the letter. It's (or it's copy is) hung up in the wall of St. Catherine's Monastery in Egypt. And are you really surprised ISIS is not following Muhammad's teachings?
Someone lacks critical thinking skills.
SkylineRKR
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WW2 teached us to never ever nuke again.
maquiladora
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He wants to keep Assad in power in Syria. Big arms contracts, energy contracts. Their only military base outside of the former Soviet Union. Strategically important.
Only a few days ago he traveled to Egypt to hold talks with Sissi which no doubt involved arms sales. The symbolism of him presenting Sissi with a Kalashnikov as a gift was... subtle.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Yes, the United States wants to make sure that countries with oil are constantly overrun by people like ISIS such that there's zero stability. This makes sense.
Miles Quaritch
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I laughed more at that than I really should have.
And yes, it does seem like this will only get worse before it even starts to gets remotely better.
Uncle Rupee
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Just watched it not long ago, I wonder what it will take before Obama, Cameron & Putin etc decide to do something, it is like they are scared to do or say anything.
I think the time has finally arrived for this
You just wanted to post that gif, didn't you? Nukes are never the answer, not even in a case like this.
Stereogatari
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Israel and Turkey tho.
Souldestroyer Reborn
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I dunno, I mean it served its purpose didn't it?
They wanted the Japanese to surrender and they did.
Problem here is that it has a possibility of backfiring and making them want to kill us even more than they already do.
Lamel
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Are you legit dumb bro?
Yeah let's kill more innocents than ISIS ever could on their own.
What the hell?
No, the problem is that it will kill a bunch of innocents, way more than ISIS would have anyway. Lol @ the idea that the main issue with nuking is that ISIS will hate us more.
Always-honest
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Will it have the same director? The last videos were nit only horrific, but even more horrific because they decided to edit them in a videoclip kind of way.
Jesus, i can't comprehend these kind of actions.
Jesus, i can't comprehend these kind of actions.
Bluekaveli
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You don't always have to be honest.
Patapwn
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There likely is no original. Charters like this were forged often in the middle ages. This one in particular dates for around the 15th century. There exists no record of this document at any point prior to this time period. No biography of Muhammad mentions this which are often very comprehensive. There's some other contentions such as the anarchistic script used ruq'ah script as opposed to hijazi and possible anarchistic word usages such as 'sultan' which are post Abbasid Caliphate.
In short, don't believe something just because it paints islam in a positive light (this also goes for people who believe something just because it paints islam negatively)
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