I can easily see 4-5 million lifetime sales
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BloodBorne Sales Expectations : What are yours? What Could Sony's be ?
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I can easily see 4-5 million lifetime sales
Sparkedglory
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I think it'll pass 2 million.
Welfare
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thestopsign
Member
I think it will do very well. It has everything going for it right now. It is coming out on a platform that is in need of a high quality game, which should get current owners excited and make a platform like the PS4 even more attractive to potential buyers.
The Artisan
Member
one of the biggest more recent franchises though. it started in 2009 with demons but I think popularity grew quicker with dark.
didn't iss sell a million in like 9 days? and that was back when there were 7 million Ps4s in households.
Acquiescence
Member
I think Sony expect it to do 2 million, and I think it'll reach that number. It's got some decent marketing behind it this time, unlike Demon's Souls, it's coming out at the right time of the year, and the critical adulation lavished on it will see the game have some legs in the charts.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I think Sony would not only be wise to do a sequel but to also fund a dream project that Miz has always wanted to do.
Think BB is going to have longer legs than infamous.
So am I wrong? No where did I say it would be unsuccessful. In fact I predicted 1-2 million which is crazy successful for a platform exclusive niche game. And then you go on to point out new IPs that do sell crazy well. For example, Watch_Dogs. It's no Watch_Dogs either.
The question was how do I expect it to sell and I answered well but nowhere near the top of the sales chart. Pretty straightforward and harmless answer, I wasn't making it a pissing contest.
I agree that it'll cause a lot of new PS4 owners but among the existing owners I think it'll still have a 10-20% attach rate. Don't forget a lot of people buy PS4s for Madden, Fifa, COD, and Destiny and have no desire to play a game like this. I wouldn't expect an attach rate of something like Mario Kart 8 which appeals to practically everyone that owns a Wii U and even then that attach rate was still less than half.
Dark souls sold what, 2.3 million? Out of what like 100 million consoles total? That's like 2.3%. Granted I agree with the flooded market theory you presented and that will drive that number waaaay up, but past 10-20%? I don't think so. It'd make me happy to be proven wrong, but that's my uneducated prediction (as are all of ours).
Agreed but I don't see it selling as well upfront. As someone already mentioned Infamous SS sold around 1 million ww in 9 days.
The Artisan
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but that was also when there were 7 million Ps4s in households. that number's more than doubled now.
Game already sold out on Amazon?
Pretty much confirms my Dark Souls 2 kind of sales prediction.
People under estimating the popularity of the Souls franchise are about to be in for a real shock.
And install base means almost nothing when people who are fans of the Souls franchise will buy this game as well as PS4 owners finally getting a PS4 exclusive that reviewed well.
Pretty much confirms my Dark Souls 2 kind of sales prediction.
People under estimating the popularity of the Souls franchise are about to be in for a real shock.
And install base means almost nothing when people who are fans of the Souls franchise will buy this game as well as PS4 owners finally getting a PS4 exclusive that reviewed well.
ALLseeingEYE
Member
I'm guessing 3 million or so lifetime. Games with 90+ metacritic scores tend to average 3+ million from what I understand.
It's got kind of a niche audience, but it has a stanglehold on that audience. Also, it's the first true Killer App of the New-Gen, in a land of a crazy good selling PS4 with a dearth of great exclusives. The Order also just bombed critically, so many might have held out and be waiting for something great, like this.
So yeah, I could see it selling upwards of 2 million this year, and trickle upwards of 3 million lifetime. I'm sure Bloodborne 2 will be out in another 2 years, and sales will pick up right before that again, as well.
It's got kind of a niche audience, but it has a stanglehold on that audience. Also, it's the first true Killer App of the New-Gen, in a land of a crazy good selling PS4 with a dearth of great exclusives. The Order also just bombed critically, so many might have held out and be waiting for something great, like this.
So yeah, I could see it selling upwards of 2 million this year, and trickle upwards of 3 million lifetime. I'm sure Bloodborne 2 will be out in another 2 years, and sales will pick up right before that again, as well.
Wow just picked up my copy at gamestop on my lunch break and 7 people came in during the 15 minutes or so i was there, all asking for bloodborne. One guy even traded his Xbone and battlefield hardline and CoD in for a PS4 and bloodborne.
I was thinking um... are you really going to like this game if you're a FPS guy?
I was thinking um... are you really going to like this game if you're a FPS guy?
Suzushiiro
Banned
I can see it exceeding the sales of the games in the Souls series despite being exclusive, if only because this game probably has more buzz/marketing budget behind it than any Souls game. I can also see it outselling any other exclusive released so far this gen, not that that should be too hard considering the quality of exclusives have been so
I don't see it getting anywhere near non-remaster Halo/Naughty Dog-level sales, though.
I don't see it getting anywhere near non-remaster Halo/Naughty Dog-level sales, though.
anexanhume
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Uh, they've more than tripled that. And it has a much better Japan presence, which should be the game's second strongest territory.
polyphony grumbles at the lack of respect its been getting the last few releases. .. grrr grrr ... 20 million sales grrr
Beelzebufo
Banned
I was wondering why sometimes I didn't do additional attacks, before I remembered there's a stamina bar lol. Kinda forgot about it without shields.
Edit: Dammit wrong thread lol. Uhhh
Lots? More than 1886 hopefully?
Edit: Dammit wrong thread lol. Uhhh
Lots? More than 1886 hopefully?
schwabdizzle
Banned
I bet Bloodborne is easily the top selling game in March...by at least 250k copies to whatever second place is.
Messofanego
Banned
Yeah, more than 1 million sales could be really great for FROM and Sony.Assuming we use DS2 as base and estimating a value of $10000 average per developer. In a period of 2 years, that would be 20 million at a flat rate. 1 million sales at a $60 price point (ignoring extra % revenue from the PSN store) would total $60 million. Going by this chart:
We can at least eliminate platform loyalty as it is an exclusive leaving it at $34 dollars per sale. Assuming every copy is sold with no stock returns would invoke a bonus of an extra $7 profit leaving it at $41 PER SALE. That's double the expected development budget. Assuming of course this while IP is entirely funded by SONY, this incentive leaves FROM with contract bonuses if performs this well. I can see why exclusivity is more favourable to them than a multi-plat game.
The Artisan
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you're only further proving my point.
No and this sort of mentality is not healthy to have. "Ill wait till it goes to PS+". Might as pay a year of Gamefly and rent it all year long.
Haha goddamn, he will break his controller if he doesn't know what he's getting into with Bloodborne.
Rain City Gamer
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I am guessing 2-3 Million, which would be amazing.
bananafactory
Banned
Bloodborne pushing units
PS4 is at #17 on Amazon hourly
PS4 is at #17 on Amazon hourly
Drac84
Member
I think it'll crack 3 million lifetime sales, especially if there's a GOTY edition re-release. A more interesting question is what it'll do to console sales. I know 2 people buying a PS4 specifically for this game, and wonder if that's unique to my friendship group or indicative of a wider trend.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Finally a reasonable estimate. Closest to my predictions as well... though it will never get anywhere near 3-4MM sell through WW. That would be close to 3X Dark souls 2... and BB is only on 1 platform!!
also that would make it more than 2X ISS, and there's no way BB has the appeal, reach, or brand for that.
Manmademan
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Assuming we use DS2 as base and estimating a value of $10000 average per developer. In a period of 2 years, that would be 20 million at a flat rate. 1 million sales at a $60 price point (ignoring extra % revenue from the PSN store) would total $60 million. Going by this chart:
We can at least eliminate platform loyalty as it is an exclusive leaving it at $34 dollars per sale. Assuming every copy is sold with no stock returns would invoke a bonus of an extra $7 profit leaving it at $41 PER SALE. That's double the expected development budget. Assuming of course this while IP is entirely funded by SONY, this incentive leaves FROM with contract bonuses if performs this well. I can see why exclusivity is more favourable to them than a multi-plat game.
I don't think you can really "ignore" the extra revenue from digital downloads. There's guaranteed to be at least several hundred thousand downloads through PSN giving Sony a hefty chunk of money.
On top of that, every souls game except the first had DLC upgrades on top of the base game. BB will be no different. This game is going to print a lot of money.
Manmademan
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This game could easily do 3-4 million sell through lifetime, one platform or not. God of War III was 5+ million units. So was Metal Gear Solid 4. Heavy Rain, Little Big Planet, and Motorstorm were ALSO over 3 million, on a more expensive console with a smaller userbase.
There is no way bloodborne doesn't outsell the latter three. The hype is real.
As someone else said, this being a flagship game for the console with a heavy amount of marketing and no competition for months, combined with the quite likely possibility that Sony will end up not only bundling this, but almost certainly re-issuing a "Game of the year!!" edition that includes the inevitable DLC.
There WILL be blood...and double dipping.
Monthly gives a better idea
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2015-03/videogames
Edit: While I have a post here, I personally think it'll be around 1.7-2.2 million by the end of the year
ArkhamFantasy
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Is that good?
Manmademan
Member
it's kind of inexplicable considering that amazon is sold out of the game
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Um, Dark Souls 2 did a lot better than you think:
Steam - About 1 million sales in 2014
US/EU - Shipped 1.2 million first month
Japan - 260k first week (255k PS3, 5k 360)
Final Verdict
Member
1.2-1.3m realistically I think
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
you are completely ignoring market realities.
and over estimating the appeal of the genre Bloodborn is set in, and that it's a new IP.
You're saying it's going to outsell nearly every SKU on PS4 at retail to date world wide?
Up there with matching CoD's 4MM?
how does that enter the world of sanity.
I don't need to think.
The nose knows.
maquiladora
Member
It will do well, really well. Ensuring it to be a PS4 exclusive was one of the smartest things Sony has done recently.
I'd imagine MS will be willing to give From anything they want to ensure the next Souls game doesn't follow the same path.
I'd imagine MS will be willing to give From anything they want to ensure the next Souls game doesn't follow the same path.
Manmademan
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1.2 million is about what demon's souls did on PS3 back in 2009. You might want to revise that estimate upward a bit.
Manmademan
Member
No one considers this a new IP. Everyone considers this the follow up to Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2, no review fails to mention it, and it will be advertised as such. "From the makers of etc etc..."
shouldn't be all that hard. we're talking lifetime sales going forward from today, taking into account a 20 million unit userbase and breakneck sales. Call of Duty is also split across multiple platforms, this isn't. Again, my rationale is already in the thread. Do you think Bloodborne is going to somehow sell less than Motorstorm?
edit: ugh, sorry about the double posts. the thread clearly isn't going as fast as I anticipate.
JuanLatino
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i can definetely see it cross the 2 Million mark.
It will sell over 1 Mio copies in 1 Month!
It will sell over 1 Mio copies in 1 Month!
Chobel
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For lifetime sales? That looks quite low.
Yeah. I seriously wanted to warn that guy. I mean it was pretty obvious he was turning in everything he had for the Xbone, and if the only games you have are freaking CoD and Battlefield Hardline... Bloodborne may not be the game for you...
Fuck this shotgun! When do I find the sniper rifle or automatic?!
Are you suggesting that the market for Bloodborne is the same as COD? I think Bloodborne will do really well but it will be behind Hardline in sales but probably ahead of FF Type-0.
Infamous had a larger market appeal than the Souls series. The sales figures suggest as much.
SnowFlakeCake
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I don't think MS care much, this game ain't going to move millions of systems. It's more that Yoshida loves the From games and regretted what happened with Demons Souls, so this game is more bragging rights, like Team ICO were. The advertising alone shows how highly Sony regards Miyazakis games, I imagine if From do decide to make another game with Sony the advertising muscle they put behind it will be a factor. The game won't pull any amazing numbers at all but then again From Software is not a huge company so hopefully for then 1-2 million sales are enough to keep them happy.
I hope Bloorborne does well because From Software is not the biggest company around and they've definitely done well with this game. Looking forward to getting my arse handed to me come this weekend when I'm playing this game!
Manmademan
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Eh? where did you get that idea. I said nothing of the sort.
It will sell just fine lifetime, likely to a different audience. But suggesting nothing will ever pass 4 million sales Call of Duty on Ps4 just because it has "call of duty" in the title is just silly.
Bloodborne will likely sell in line with high profile PS3 exclusive games (which i called out) which hit 3-4 million fairly easily on a platform that didn't sell anywhere near as well.
This ignores the fact that games tend to be pretty frontloaded. In a few months infamous was drowned out by the next big thing and off to the bargain bins.
Bloodborne is starting out the gate with triple the potential audience second son had, better reviews, and less competition. It'll outsell it.