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Konami on my boycott list.
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Kotaku: Silent Hills officially cancelled
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
I highly doubt Konami had any choice but to cancel this if Kojima is leaving.
Their problem is that they've placed all their eggs in a Kojima-shaped basket for far too long, and if he's gone the actual degree of disruption is basically incalculable as how many senior staff members he takes with him isn't known at this point.
Essentially although they get to keep the "ship", they get a ship without a captain, a course, and an uncertain number of loyal crew-members. Not to overdo the nautical metaphor, but they are kinda scuppered.
Their problem is that they've placed all their eggs in a Kojima-shaped basket for far too long, and if he's gone the actual degree of disruption is basically incalculable as how many senior staff members he takes with him isn't known at this point.
Essentially although they get to keep the "ship", they get a ship without a captain, a course, and an uncertain number of loyal crew-members. Not to overdo the nautical metaphor, but they are kinda scuppered.
Ninja Scooter
Member
lol Kojima doesn't need Kickstarter to do whatever he wants to do next.
weevles
Member
If Konami has any heart and soul, they will just put their console game IPs on auction and at least let someone else continue making those games.
They surely can't make that much more money slapping "Silent Hills" or "Metal Gear"on a pachinko machine or smartphone app, can they? Oh, shit...
They surely can't make that much more money slapping "Silent Hills" or "Metal Gear"on a pachinko machine or smartphone app, can they? Oh, shit...
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
:3
PT was really fantastic looking. This tease of the full Silent Hills running on the Fox Engine on current gen only....hot damn...
vpance
Member
I am sure they are actively shopping buyers right now while the IP is still hot off of the renewed interest. Same goes for MGS after V releases.
GoonerTRON
Banned
Square Enix presents.... Quiet Mountain
fastford58
Member
Fuck you, Konami.
weevles
Member
Gambling machines, Sports Clubs, and Health and Fitness equipment in Japan.
If they keep the gaming division, it's all going to be phone apps. I wonder if they even need the Las Vegas office or the Australian one now.
Edit: maybe they will keep Las Vegas for the gambling machines here and ditch El Segundo instead. IDK. This is kind of messed up.
Ganzlinger
Member
They still have PES, FIFA's rival at football gaming.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
LoI isn't GoW however.
LapinAgile
Member
I really hope this shake-up lands Kojima with a publisher who appreciates him. I would love to see a new IP or a re-imagining of the horror concepts he had in P.T. This could be great news but it's way to early to tell unfortunately :\ Puts a big shadow over MGS 5 for me as well.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
How can they shop it around when the key people driving these projects are not under any sort of contractual obligation to comply with their future plans?
Its a really bad situation for Konami to be in, and its one of their own making.
vpance
Member
The key people don't matter anymore since they're on their way out if not already. Konami is ultimately the owner of the IP so they're free to do with it as they wish. The name is still worth a few million after all.
Hopefully Sony saw the potential in the P.T. demo and snatched it up. Kojima can just circle back and rejoin the project next year.
:3
Someone slapped a huge CANCELLED over the title when it appears.
momolicious
Member
This is horrible for gaming as a whole..
I think we need to start questioning the management at Konami. Have there been changes to it recently? Who's in charge now and when did they start their tenure? What are their aims for the company? What is the focus going to be?
This is a company that has been one of Japan's videogaming staples for decades and yet they are now turning their backs to their most avantgarde developer, shutting down projects with enormous amounts of interest behind them and seemingly backing away entirely from the videogames business.
Who is/are Konami's boss at present and what do they want for the company? And why?
Can we get a journalist(s) to actually investigate and report? I mean a real journalist, not videogame reviewers.
This is a company that has been one of Japan's videogaming staples for decades and yet they are now turning their backs to their most avantgarde developer, shutting down projects with enormous amounts of interest behind them and seemingly backing away entirely from the videogames business.
Who is/are Konami's boss at present and what do they want for the company? And why?
Can we get a journalist(s) to actually investigate and report? I mean a real journalist, not videogame reviewers.
TetraGenesis
Member
#fuckkonami
Honestly.
Honestly.
I'm kind of a fan, but only in the sense that it's my most tolerated soccer game. I kind of prefer old, more unrealistic games like International Superstar Soccer. Current ones do what they want to do pretty well - they have wonderful animations and amazing presentation. But what I'm really a huge fan of is the old, absolutely idiotic "press A for unrealistic physics to happen."
So what I'm saying is they need to make a Silent Hill game where a real soccer player is trapped in International Superstar Socer 64.
GoonerTRON
Banned
The hills have been silenced
Silence of the Hills.
minameissteve
Banned
Honestly, Kojima was the only thing holding Konami's games division together. For years, Kojima was the last source of genuine talent the company had. Team Silent had left years before, and God knows what happened to the guys that made Castlevania. Konami's inability to replace those that left made them rely on Kojima and outsourcing to maintain and revitalize their dying franchises. I mean, Kojima was the ONLY one that had any clue how to make games and run a business. Just look at Konami's situation; they can't do ANYTHING right without Kojima:
-Konami backstabs Kojima after Metal Gear 1 by make the god-awful Snake's Revenge, he returns to direct Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake and rights the wrong.
-Konami runs console Castlevania into the ground, so Kojima steps in to make the series relevant by producing Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, revitalizing the series. As soon as he steps away from the sequel, they manage to fuck it up again.
-Kojima builds a new team to cultivate new talent and leadership for Metal Gear Solid: Rising, team can't make a proper game without him, so Konami (what else?) outsources to Platinum (not a bad idea, but it was probably Kojima's).
-After years without a decent Silent Hill game (and some more outsourcing to boot), Konami personally asks Kojima to handle a Silent Hill reboot, P.T. becomes huge, gaining praise, some mainstream publicity, Hollywood talent, and general hype from fans and newcomers alike, basically publicity other publishers would kill for. As soon as he's off the project, it's cancelled and Del Toro/Reedus back out. Silent Hill fades back into obscurity.
See how it works? After everything Konami put Kojima through, it's no wonder Kojima has had such fatigue and wants to leave. He should have been made freakin' CEO for what he did for this company.
-Konami backstabs Kojima after Metal Gear 1 by make the god-awful Snake's Revenge, he returns to direct Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake and rights the wrong.
-Konami runs console Castlevania into the ground, so Kojima steps in to make the series relevant by producing Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, revitalizing the series. As soon as he steps away from the sequel, they manage to fuck it up again.
-Kojima builds a new team to cultivate new talent and leadership for Metal Gear Solid: Rising, team can't make a proper game without him, so Konami (what else?) outsources to Platinum (not a bad idea, but it was probably Kojima's).
-After years without a decent Silent Hill game (and some more outsourcing to boot), Konami personally asks Kojima to handle a Silent Hill reboot, P.T. becomes huge, gaining praise, some mainstream publicity, Hollywood talent, and general hype from fans and newcomers alike, basically publicity other publishers would kill for. As soon as he's off the project, it's cancelled and Del Toro/Reedus back out. Silent Hill fades back into obscurity.
See how it works? After everything Konami put Kojima through, it's no wonder Kojima has had such fatigue and wants to leave. He should have been made freakin' CEO for what he did for this company.
GrayChild
Member
http://kotaku.com/its-official-silent-hills-is-cancelled-1700379816
I really don't understand this.
"Hey guys, we know we cancelled that Silent Hill game made by Kojima and Del Toro, but we have an awesome idea for a new Silent Hill game made by Kojima and Del Toro, so stay tuned for more details".
I really don't understand this.
"Hey guys, we know we cancelled that Silent Hill game made by Kojima and Del Toro, but we have an awesome idea for a new Silent Hill game made by Kojima and Del Toro, so stay tuned for more details".
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
It's hilarious how Konami managed to waste one of the more brilliant marketing attempts in gaming.
Great post.
TetraGenesis
Member
Shit, when you put it like that it's even worse than it first seems. So glad Kojima got out of there but my heart weeps for Silent Hills.
Kind of amazing in a way. This is the studio that brought us Contra, Metal Gear, Castlevania, Suikoden, Goemon, Silent Hill, Sparkster, Gradius, TMNT, and a whole slew of other classic games... and each and every last one of them is dead.
You can't even attribute this to mismanagement. This is deliberately, spitefully, not giving a shit any more.
Man, that's such a strong portfolio. Okay, maybe the gambling division is more profitable, but let's be real here, the Video Games industry is bigger than damn movies. They're leaving billions on the table here.
I think a lot of it has to do with how Konami's been acting on a whole lately. If it was JUST Silent Hills, or even if it was JUST kicking out Kojima that'd be one thing, but there's a barren release schedule and seemingly more focus on their other ventures. It'd be like if SE forced out Nomura entirely during FFXV's development rather than just off that game, scrapped KH3, and had nothing announced for the future like SO5 or even higher profile mobile games.
family_guy
Member
This sucks for this particular game, but it's sadder to see how far some publishers have fallen since the PS2 era. Man have the times changed.
NecromorphTX
Member
Still i can't believe it
lazyproblems
Member
This is a damn shame. Such a waste after all the praise and attention PT got.
ChoklitCow
Member
I've been too heartbroken to post in this thread. Two of my favorite people from motion pictures and gaming working on one of my favorite franchises was a dream come true. I genuinely look forward to the truth coming out regarding this fallout because this just doesn't make sense to me financially.
Chiggs
Gold Member
I feel like this is the end for both parties. In theory, it should be a dater's market for Kojima, but in reality he'll probably sign with Microsoft and get stuck with some garbage project that will make us all groan.
Kojima should just take a year off.
The Power Of Snap
Member
Hey, same thing for sega.
And everything will be rainbows and lolipops with Sony?
ZombiePlatypus
Member
It's OK guys, after Phantom Pain Konami still has...well...
GG Konami.
GG Konami.
ElectricKaibutsu
Member
Coming in here late, but wow. Just wow.
I think he's referring to what happened to Hironobu Sakaguchi after his split with Square.