MetroidPrimeRib
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Doubt you will get any of that, as most of them require Bethesda to do a 360 on what they've been doing for the past 8 or so years.
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Fallout 4 Speculation Thread - Graphic talk elsewhere please.
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Doubt you will get any of that, as most of them require Bethesda to do a 360 on what they've been doing for the past 8 or so years.
Dragon1893
Member
I can see that for sidequests since the solution is simple, it would just lock you out of it, but how is that supposed to work for the main quest?
You really expect them to write new story branches to account for the death of every character that has a role in the story in case you kill it? What if you kill all of them?
180. It's doing a 180.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Oh my God you are right I am so used to doing the Michael Jackson 360 and walk away joke that I just did it for real
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
Fake boobs confirmed?
There will certainly be a mod for that.
The scenes before the nukes detonated have to have been from the tutorial, right? Sure they could do a simulation again, but I doubt they'd just reuse that from 3.
Y'know what I'd like to see? A consequence for choosing every dialogue option when talking to a character. Imagine if mentioning your home base/workshop thing to a seemingly friendly NPC caused a group of raiders to attack it. Wouldn't that be great.
Y'know what I'd like to see? A consequence for choosing every dialogue option when talking to a character. Imagine if mentioning your home base/workshop thing to a seemingly friendly NPC caused a group of raiders to attack it. Wouldn't that be great.
Zombie James
Banned
I love branching story paths. I wouldn't expect them to branch at every character death but I would like actions to have consequences and events to mean something, especially if you take matters into your own hands. Take Skyrim's civil war questline. What if at some point I chose to just kill Ulfric Stormcloak? Maybe the rebellion would crumble at that point or maybe some other character will rise to take his place? Who knows because Ulfric is immortal.
Essential NPC's just feels like lazy and immersion-breaking design to me.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Man, that'd be an incredible way to open the game.
Blue Ninja
Member
Thank god for mods, then. I might see them get the last one, but that's it. Hopefully I can turn off quest markers day 1.
I don't particularly mind essential npc's. Beth wants to really tell their story. It goes against their whole sandbox-principle a bit, but I understand why they do it. Even Morrowind didn't have what you described with Ulfric: if an important NPC died you'd get a 'the thread of the prophecy has been severed'-message. New Vegas at least had some of this, but remedied it by making the final antagonist a character you've never met (Lanius/the NCR guy).
king grimlock
Member
Yep I know most people love them some big 'ole challenging and menacing monsters but that shit is 2spooky man.
I'm just gonna dive right in and post my findings and speculations from the trailer. Keep in mind, most of this is just guesswork, and it should be clear by my writing what is and isn't.
On the floor of the baby's room, we see a SPECIAL book. Could this hint at a Fallout 3 style intro and character creation?
Though it may be purely for cinematic purposes, the dog seems VERY familiar with this house. Maybe it somehow has a past with the family that lived there? It may have survived the 200 year interim between the Great War and the time the game takes place in cryosleep or something similar (this one's a longshot).
One small thing to note, these cars are very different from what we've previously seen in Fallout 3 and NV, especially the red one.
It appears that some of the people at the gate didn't make it past the guards and into the Vault.
This scene is very interesting because we've never seen a player character have cinematic and contextual reactions to things like this in Bethesda games. In Fallout 3, you would have just been blinded a little and heard the character grunt, but now he's shielding his eyes, leaning away..
Again, this may be merely for cinematic purposes, but we see a third person view of the MC here. Could this imply the inclusion of cut-scenes that remove the player's POV from first person and have more "cinematic" camera movements?
Also of note is the structure on the horizon and the cityscape even further back. The closest structure I could find in real life near Boston is this watertower located in Middlesex Falls Reservation, just outside Boston.
It's also worth noting how far away the city is, just to get a sense of the scale of the map.
Here we see the Bunker Hill Monument, which appears to have been turned into a fort, possibly by bandits.
What looks to be essentially a mini-Rivet City, here we have a dry-docked USS Constitution (A.K.A. "Old Ironsides"). It appears to be resting on a bank, and some sort of cylinder has been affixed to each side of it. These are possibly thrusters or engines of some sort.
This appears to be a shot of the inside of the city of Boston. We also see a man with a prosthetic/robotic arm. What significance, if any, this holds is unclear.
This shot confirms the return of the Super Mutants. One of them looks to be wearing armor. Based on the cage hanging in the tree, it looks like they may have set up camp nearby.
The protectron returns, though this appears to be a different model as the dome is clear and it is a lighter color.
Wading through the sand in this shot we see a mirelurk, though it has a strange appearance to its head. This may be a mutated mirelurk (or just an odd angle).
In the background is a ship. This, in conjunction with the sand, leads me to believe that this is a dried up Boston harbor.
Deathclaws are returning (this appears to be an Alpha Male or a Legendary Deathclaw). The area it is roaming is in far worse shape than the rest of the trailer. This may be the immediate area in which the nuke we see at the end of the trailer struck.
Enclave Vertibirds are back! YAY!
These enemies appear to be feral ghouls, though if they are they have undergone a slight redesign. This scene also shows off the physics at place in the game well, as they knock carts and other items out of the way to reach the player.
Fenway Park (or differently named baseball park like Shmenway Fark) is in the game.
Eyebots are back as well.
Many wastelanders appear to have taken up residence inside the baseball park, now dubbed "Diamond City".
Paul Revere's statue features prominently in this shot, though rather than being located in the middle of the Public Garden like in real life, it is placed closer to the Old North Church.
This shot is an excellent showcase for the game's depth of field effects, as well as possibly giving us a hint at a returning character. We can see a GNN sign in the street below, and this may have at some point been taken over by GNR and Three Dog, as the Capital Wasteland's GNN building was.
In the foreground of this shot, we see the Massachusetts State House, and in the back we see what may be a very banged up Prudential Tower.
On the wall to the left is a laser rifle with a scope, implying a weapon customization system. This shot also confirms the return of the minigun.
Our protagonist also appears to be fixing up a set of Power Armor (assuming this is his garage).
Here, we get a good look at what may be the Pip-boy 4000. It is noticably different from the 3000 as it sports a sleeker design and a redesigned button layout.
That's all I found! If you found anything I missed, let me know and I can add it!
On the floor of the baby's room, we see a SPECIAL book. Could this hint at a Fallout 3 style intro and character creation?
Though it may be purely for cinematic purposes, the dog seems VERY familiar with this house. Maybe it somehow has a past with the family that lived there? It may have survived the 200 year interim between the Great War and the time the game takes place in cryosleep or something similar (this one's a longshot).
One small thing to note, these cars are very different from what we've previously seen in Fallout 3 and NV, especially the red one.
It appears that some of the people at the gate didn't make it past the guards and into the Vault.
This scene is very interesting because we've never seen a player character have cinematic and contextual reactions to things like this in Bethesda games. In Fallout 3, you would have just been blinded a little and heard the character grunt, but now he's shielding his eyes, leaning away..
Again, this may be merely for cinematic purposes, but we see a third person view of the MC here. Could this imply the inclusion of cut-scenes that remove the player's POV from first person and have more "cinematic" camera movements?
Also of note is the structure on the horizon and the cityscape even further back. The closest structure I could find in real life near Boston is this watertower located in Middlesex Falls Reservation, just outside Boston.
It's also worth noting how far away the city is, just to get a sense of the scale of the map.
Here we see the Bunker Hill Monument, which appears to have been turned into a fort, possibly by bandits.
What looks to be essentially a mini-Rivet City, here we have a dry-docked USS Constitution (A.K.A. "Old Ironsides"). It appears to be resting on a bank, and some sort of cylinder has been affixed to each side of it. These are possibly thrusters or engines of some sort.
This appears to be a shot of the inside of the city of Boston. We also see a man with a prosthetic/robotic arm. What significance, if any, this holds is unclear.
This shot confirms the return of the Super Mutants. One of them looks to be wearing armor. Based on the cage hanging in the tree, it looks like they may have set up camp nearby.
The protectron returns, though this appears to be a different model as the dome is clear and it is a lighter color.
Wading through the sand in this shot we see a mirelurk, though it has a strange appearance to its head. This may be a mutated mirelurk (or just an odd angle).
In the background is a ship. This, in conjunction with the sand, leads me to believe that this is a dried up Boston harbor.
Deathclaws are returning (this appears to be an Alpha Male or a Legendary Deathclaw). The area it is roaming is in far worse shape than the rest of the trailer. This may be the immediate area in which the nuke we see at the end of the trailer struck.
Enclave Vertibirds are back! YAY!
These enemies appear to be feral ghouls, though if they are they have undergone a slight redesign. This scene also shows off the physics at place in the game well, as they knock carts and other items out of the way to reach the player.
Fenway Park (or differently named baseball park like Shmenway Fark) is in the game.
Eyebots are back as well.
Many wastelanders appear to have taken up residence inside the baseball park, now dubbed "Diamond City".
Paul Revere's statue features prominently in this shot, though rather than being located in the middle of the Public Garden like in real life, it is placed closer to the Old North Church.
This shot is an excellent showcase for the game's depth of field effects, as well as possibly giving us a hint at a returning character. We can see a GNN sign in the street below, and this may have at some point been taken over by GNR and Three Dog, as the Capital Wasteland's GNN building was.
In the foreground of this shot, we see the Massachusetts State House, and in the back we see what may be a very banged up Prudential Tower.
On the wall to the left is a laser rifle with a scope, implying a weapon customization system. This shot also confirms the return of the minigun.
Our protagonist also appears to be fixing up a set of Power Armor (assuming this is his garage).
Here, we get a good look at what may be the Pip-boy 4000. It is noticably different from the 3000 as it sports a sleeker design and a redesigned button layout.
That's all I found! If you found anything I missed, let me know and I can add it!
Also sorry it takes up so much space.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
im predicting that most of the stuff that Obsidian introduced will be cut. Gun sights will probably be the only thing carried over.
The most obvious thing to happen with The Institute in the picture is probably that your player character is an android which will be the "surprise" twist. If that happens expecting Dragon Shout-type powers to be introduced once you discover the truth behind the memories of your past.
The most obvious thing to happen with The Institute in the picture is probably that your player character is an android which will be the "surprise" twist. If that happens expecting Dragon Shout-type powers to be introduced once you discover the truth behind the memories of your past.
Well, Obsidian did that in New Vegas. You could literally kill everyone and still finish the game.
Stoffinator
Member
That is what I wanted in Fallout 3. Be able to see the world before or at least as the bombs fall.
Trailer was really difficult for me. Did not seem especially 'Fallout' and honestly showed little 'new'.
Did get the awkward sense we would be visiting more on the pre-nuclear stuff - as in quests where its very relevant which would suggest it maybe takes place sooner after the attacks than the other games.
Did get the awkward sense we would be visiting more on the pre-nuclear stuff - as in quests where its very relevant which would suggest it maybe takes place sooner after the attacks than the other games.
darkwing-buck
Member
You guys think buildings will be enterable without a loading screen this time around?
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
That'd be great, but it's honestly not such a big deal in a first-person game since you hardly ever see what your character looks like. When playing Fallout NV I was disappointed with the limited character creator and so I installed a mod that added some more hair styles and other options, but in the end it wasn't worth the hassle because of the first person view, hah.
There's something like that in New Vegas, IIRC. If you talk too much to a certain NPC who is actually a spy/double agent (which you don't necessarily know, of course), you will tip him off, and it'll prevent you from catching the spy and interrupting his sabotage plan properly.
Yea that caught my eyes as well. Maybe memories of the time before the Great War will play a more important role than we expect. The Institute might have found a way to access memories or so?
The dude with the prostetic hand also does look like an Android to me, notice the eyes and his neck looks a little weird, too.
I honestly expect some crazy technology shenanigans because of the Institute.
Grow up as a boy/girl pre war and create your character.
Dad/Mom own a workshop plus home or there is a worshop in your local town.
Bomb about to drop so make way to vault, they take women and children first.
You go in as child, however bomb goes off before mom and dad can make it.
Grow up in vault or they put you in some kind of stasis for years ( similar to that other vsult in fallout 3)
Wake up and make your way out
Find dog and make your way back to hometown. Set up homebase firstly in the workshop, but you can create other safehouses across the map.
Thats what i think/hope anyway
Dad/Mom own a workshop plus home or there is a worshop in your local town.
Bomb about to drop so make way to vault, they take women and children first.
You go in as child, however bomb goes off before mom and dad can make it.
Grow up in vault or they put you in some kind of stasis for years ( similar to that other vsult in fallout 3)
Wake up and make your way out
Find dog and make your way back to hometown. Set up homebase firstly in the workshop, but you can create other safehouses across the map.
Thats what i think/hope anyway
chaobreaker
Member
Reposting from the trailer thread:
Is this a T-45d series power armor? Usually we would get a new and sexy power armor to stick on the boxart of these games but it looks like Bethesda is just reusing the one from Fallout 3.
Is this a T-45d series power armor? Usually we would get a new and sexy power armor to stick on the boxart of these games but it looks like Bethesda is just reusing the one from Fallout 3.
BouncyFrag
Member
Random question, but are pipboys difficult to take off?
ShooterMcGavin
Member
That motherfucking Fallout 3 theme. Beautiful.
YankeeDonB
Member
I'd like to see something drastically different thematically/gameplay-wise from FO3 and NV. Aesthetically, this looks like another FO3 expansion (which, despite,better writing, NV also felt like). The post-apocalyptic world frozen forever in the kitcschified 50s thing feels, on first blush, very stale. And you couldn't pick a city more similar to Washington DC than Boston. They need to shake up the formula. I'm not crazy about the elder scrolls, but morrowind, oblivion, and skyrim at least all have their own clear identities.
The Lone Courier
Member
I wonder if rockets or space have any significance. In the before shot of the baby's room the wallpaper, carpet, blanket, and mobile all have a rocket design to them. Its most likely just a little detail but just thought that it might be worth pointing out.
They are stuck on your hand for life
PurpleSquid
Neo Member
another vault dweller is kind of played out imo. we've already had 2 games like that one that beth developed themselves, i hope they're creative about it.
it appears to be the case, im really disappointed as well. just seems lazy, hopefully its not the flagship power armor for this game cause it just screams lazy :/
it appears to be the case, im really disappointed as well. just seems lazy, hopefully its not the flagship power armor for this game cause it just screams lazy :/
It's the main series game. Has to be a Vault Dweller.
chaobreaker
Member
There is some speculation that there's are Super mutants wearing power armor but I feeling that we might actually get properly scaled power armour in a 3D Fallout. In the 2D games, power armour was at least a foot taller than the average human.
Blue Ninja
Member
It is, but it looks bulkier than the models we're used to. Either it's a different version or it's been modified.
There's only one shot of a T-51b in the trailer, of the character aboard the Vertibird. The pre-war soldiers seem to be wearing the 45d series.
We might, but those guys are just regular mutants I think. Maybe one tore off a shoulder plate from a soldier and slapped it on his own armor.
I hope Power Armor makes you feel like the walking tank you are.
PurpleSquid
Neo Member
2 wasn't a vault dweller.
well you won't be able to do that now regardless thanks to everyone wanting a voiced mc.
-_- please don't be fully voiced, just totally kills it for me. as a matter a fact, don't talk at all, just make grunts and stuff like in 3 and new vegas
You play fallout 2? Don't think interplays original intention was to have every game be about vault dwellers. I get that it's a good start as they know as little of the world as the player does but man it seems kinda uninspired.
I know people hear it all the time and it's annoying but man I think I trust obsidian a whole lot more when it comes to the direction of the world,lore and story.
chaobreaker
Member
New Vegas made the Courier, a guy or gal with already some experience in the wastes work so I don't know why Bethesda is falling for the same trappings again.
Damn good post! I can't wait to hear more details on this stuff, but all of those speculations seem pretty legit to me.
Don't think the player character's beginnings really matter much. It's just a starting point. But that's just me.
This would be hard to do lore-wise since they're feared by a lot of people in the universe and it would require a mountain of extra dialogue, but being able to choose your race between human, ghoul or mutant would be sweet. That would actually have an effect on the game.
This would be hard to do lore-wise since they're feared by a lot of people in the universe and it would require a mountain of extra dialogue, but being able to choose your race between human, ghoul or mutant would be sweet. That would actually have an effect on the game.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
YOU MONSTER
chaobreaker
Member
Bethesda used to be good at this. Morrowind had enemies that didn't spawn on the world until you reached certain levels and there were areas and dungeons that were immediately accessible early on but were full of enemies that would make short work out of you.
But then we got Oblivion: the game where all enemies got stronger as you did and random bandits would run around in glass armour in higher levels.
Purple Drank
I'mma grip n sip
Why the FUCK did they choose Boston? What does it have that is substantially different from DC? A baseball stadium? A fucking Whitey Bulger securitron? More snow? Been waiting for this game for years and it's a geographical DLC to Fallout 2.
New Orleans, London, Miami, Seattle, fucking MOSCOW would have given some breadth and depth to the locales. Its like going from Kim Kardashian to Chloe Kardashian. What is the goddam difference? Horrible, and im not the complaining always negative type.
But but but Mit #kill myself
New Orleans, London, Miami, Seattle, fucking MOSCOW would have given some breadth and depth to the locales. Its like going from Kim Kardashian to Chloe Kardashian. What is the goddam difference? Horrible, and im not the complaining always negative type.
But but but Mit #kill myself
Fushichou187
Member
True, but they were a descendant of the "original" vault dweller from FO1.
This was fucking ace. Thank you.
Yeah keeping in line with the character creation template in Fallout, this seems like a good guess!
edit: nvm. Grabbed that PNG and raised the levels. That guy in the back is green as fuck lol
Bubba_Sparks
Member
I think this guy is a robot. Look at his eyes, his face and even his left hand looks robotic. Also when you look at his neck area it doesn't look human.
RoboGeorgeForeman
Banned
Yeah, that just feels like another lazy move on Bethesda's part just like the whole starting every TES game as a prisoner. Maybe it was intended to be a cool nod to past games, but I kinda just want something new.
I'm also really hoping we don't have to sit through another cinematic opening/origin story/tutorial like we did with Oblivion, Fallout 3, Skyrim. Those always made starting new games such a drag, and those scenes seem to age the fastest and look worse and worse on repeated playthroughs. Obsidian did a bit of a better job with New Vegas since you only really have to do the character creation bit before you're off and going, although an option to skip all the fluff would be nice.
The Lone Courier
Member
I agree. The courier allowed for a more of a backstory and customizable age. The courier knew somethings about the wastes. Where as the The Lone Wanderer you were forced to play as a 19 year old with no experience in the wasteland.
PurpleSquid
Neo Member
im totally cool with playing as a descendant, i however don't want to play as another vault dweller who grew up in one like 1 or 3. maybe if the vault has been opened for years and they just use the vault as a city or whatever where people can go in and out as they please or the idea where some folks are having where you're in stasis so you didn't actually grow up in the vault.
Wag
Member
Don't forget that the Fallout universe/timeline is different than ours so some of these places might not exist.
Yup, I don't want a Vault Dweller back story. Also, I sure do hope they don't confine players to a male only character as the one leak suggested. But back to the Vault stuff, if the player is a Vault Dweller who lived in "Vault 111" what do you think the "twist/experiment" of the Vault will be?
Skateboard P
Member
this shot gave me chills
This is definitely Boston. That is the Paul Revere Statue and what looks like the Old North Church.
Day 1!
Edit: More detailed explanation with real life pics in post 314.