A lot of posters sure do come off that way. Look at how Cammy is being body shamed.
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Female characters at E3 this year versus last year
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A lot of posters sure do come off that way. Look at how Cammy is being body shamed.
Deified Data
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I can guarantee feminism played significant roles in realizing all of these protagonists. Why is that a problem?
aspiegamer
Member
Come on now. That's a pretty disingenuous exaggeration of that thread. 2 people saying they're legitimately displeased isn't "body shamed". The vast majority of replies are along the lines of "meh" (including myself).
RockTurtle
Member
uhuh.
i'll believe that when see less comments about "sexy armor" or "modestly clothing" or "omg she's wearing clothes relating to what she's doing"
:B
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Hahahahaha
Alex_Mexico
Member
Not sure how good an example she is though. She was shown all of 5 seconds where one one of those you could clearly see her white panties.
From Nier 2
Unfortunately, what you're watching has always been a major problem with this movement.
Because they're worried that it will affect the original creative visions that focus groups give to developers.
ChamplooJones
Formerly Momotaro
Pretty much.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Yeah, design looked awfully dolled up. Big meh.
Woah. Why have I never seen this game before?
I would never say this, but others see it as dishonest pandering.
Also my first time, looks cool. Very reminiscent of Sworcery (also female protag IIRC).
The devs shouldnt have to take any hints and develop what the fuck they want.
the black pearl
Member
I wish Giant Sparrow showed their Edith Finch game. The use of Emily Caldwin in the Dishonored sequel is a smart move.
zer0blivion
Member
There's speculation in the Nier 2 thread that this may actually be Kaine.
Guys, I think the main character really is Kaine.
Take a closer look.
Kaine Spoilers:You can see her, uh... bulge.
MrCunningham
Member
Oh NM.
What most developers ever want is to get positive reinforcement through buzz and sales. People clamoring for women and a certain depiction of women is the proverbial path laid out for them.
the black pearl
Member
Alright, I don't entirely disagree with him. Don't have a problem with it per se but I like that characters like Elle or Tripp for example are progressive characters, yet not a reaction to Anita Sarkeesian, etc. They come off more honest that way to me.
Deified Data
Banned
That's the thing that confuses me. Are people legitimately worried about poor ol' pubs being strong-armed into using female protagonists as opposed to their more focus-tested bald, male counterparts? Who are these publishers more worried about pissing off Tumblr than turning a buck?
I think they can relax. Chances are, if a game like Dishonored 2 or Horizon has a female protagonist it's because the devs wanted it to. Not sure why they don't show the same amount of concern for the amount of devs who are likely strong-armed into normalizing their character designs for mass appeal.
If the character is good, does it matter?
BlueBadger
Banned
Lmao
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
What if they want to listen to feedback?
I take it you were upset that they announced FF7 Remake and Shenmue 3
What's the over/under on a hilarious misinterpretation of "censorship" appearing in this thread?
User 73706
Banned
I don't think anyone's going into the boardroom thinking "alright, Sarkeesian's used her feminazi legions to hold the governor hostage, and the only way we're going to get him back is if we make a game where a woman does things right just now!"
Deified Data
Banned
the black pearl
Member
Not a whole lot and I dont even know what the cause is for any particular character. I just like the "romantic" idea of a more-spontaneously inspired character.
the black pearl
Member
Nooot saying anyone did.
I think it's actually a bit dumb to put that many resources into a remake. Not really related to the overall discussion, but listening to your fans can sometimes be the worst thing you can do.
Nope, intersex.
lifa-cobex
Member
Doing it just for the sake off.
You wont get much of an interesting character if they are just slapping a skin on just to make ppl happy.
If the character is meant to be female and the personality was thought out, good stuff.
Yeah, it's possible that when I read that first post calling her gross and comparing her to a stripper it put me into a white hot rage because that's my main for like the past 15 years he's talking about.
Lmao, well done I spat my coffee everywhere.
liliththepale
Banned
Females are (slightly over) half of the population. They're not a minority like minorities are. There's never going to be a point where you see minorities represented in games to the same degree as females or white people.
But don't despair look how much help being loud about issues did for feminism this year! Let's be loud about other issues to bring up other representation in the following years. Just, you know, preferably not shitting in a thread where we're celebrating our progress so far!
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I am loving it. We have all had mothers. Strong powerful women in lead roles are a plus!
I for one am looking forward to Horizon, Tomb Raider, and Mirror's Edge.
Some of my favorite scenes in TLOU was playing as Ellie. They just did the feel of how the character responded right.
Vlaphor
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I agree with the fact that we need more diversity in gaming, but every single time a character that's even mildly sexualized is shown, the reaction by most mainstream advocates of equality is a highly negative one, one that hints their focus is to indeed KILL SEXY WITH FIRE. A recent example would be when Bilzzard showed off that muscular woman for their shooter at around the same time as they announced the dark elf woman for their moba. The most common reaction I saw to this could be paraphrased as "One step forward, one step back."
I do like that games are becoming more inviting overall, but I still occasionally want Soul Calibur IV Ivy, and I don't feel ashamed about that.
not to poop on your fun parade but I'm pretty sure the gobbledygook subreddit still exists.
User 73706
Banned
How often are male characters made just for the sake of it because slapping a dick on a character is the "default?"
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Aloy was great in Horizon. I felt like she was introducing me to the world and she also cared about what she was fighting against (in a way). When she mentioned the ''little one'' while she was in the bushes.
Here's the thing: Can they deal with serious issues (again) now because there is a larger category of female heroes?
I think for some of us who have been gaming longer that it hasn't necessarily been an issue of "can", but its more of a debate with others who may have just started.
I find the choices great, but to me I've always had Lara Croft and various female leads in RPGs and the like.
I think the dude bro Gears character wasn't bad. I feel like awkward characters like the new Gears 4 is just too bland. I miss the brotherhood. I think it could all work. I don't want to feel stale because they didn't want a passively aggressive character. It gets extremely stale and Gears 4 felt like it was an ABC special.
I think people are taking things way too far by calling out Gears of War 1 - 3. I think in a way it takes away from brotherhood and other good feelings. I seriously don't like changing everything, but I am also at a stage where I see more younger people fighting for some of these changes. A part of me could care less than some do. I'm being introduced to a new game with Aloy. I'm not reliving Lara again like I did many years ago. I'm too use to her. She has two pistols and she shoots?
Here's the thing: Can they deal with serious issues (again) now because there is a larger category of female heroes?
I think for some of us who have been gaming longer that it hasn't necessarily been an issue of "can", but its more of a debate with others who may have just started.
I find the choices great, but to me I've always had Lara Croft and various female leads in RPGs and the like.
I think the dude bro Gears character wasn't bad. I feel like awkward characters like the new Gears 4 is just too bland. I miss the brotherhood. I think it could all work. I don't want to feel stale because they didn't want a passively aggressive character. It gets extremely stale and Gears 4 felt like it was an ABC special.
I think people are taking things way too far by calling out Gears of War 1 - 3. I think in a way it takes away from brotherhood and other good feelings. I seriously don't like changing everything, but I am also at a stage where I see more younger people fighting for some of these changes. A part of me could care less than some do. I'm being introduced to a new game with Aloy. I'm not reliving Lara again like I did many years ago. I'm too use to her. She has two pistols and she shoots?
if it wasn't so flagrant and seemingly unanimous.. I'd feel some type of way. but its not worth it.
noted. Won't post in this thread again.Females are (slightly over) half of the population. They're not a minority like minorities are. There's never going to be a point where you see minorities represented in games to the same degree as females or white people.
But don't despair — look how much help being loud about issues did for feminism this year! Let's be loud about other issues to bring up other representation in the following years. Just, you know, preferably not shitting in a thread where we're celebrating our progress so far!
Fuchalmania
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lifa-cobex
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ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Before Doom was shown I was gonna predict that the main character would be female.
Feminism is to bring women to equal standing to man in terms of choice, opportunity, treatment, and respect. Not representation. Representation is a unnecessarily desire, it[s like a Workplace that mostly Women work for hiring a bunch of men just to have equal gender representation even though the men are unqualified or there were better female applicants for the job. That's not what we should be supporting or saying feminism supports, so we can say it was highly desired from people for these sort of protagonists. But it wasn't a necessity or purpose of what Feminism should be or is.
So in essence:
Unfair Women Treatment and Objectification is what feminists are challenging the video game industry with.
Representation is a desire, or a want, but not a necessity needed.
silvermember
Banned
Females are (slightly over) half of the population. They're not a minority like minorities are. There's never going to be a point where you see minorities represented in games to the same degree as females or white people.
But don't despair — look how much help being loud about issues did for feminism this year! Let's be loud about other issues to bring up other representation in the following years. Just, you know, preferably not shitting in a thread where we're celebrating our progress so far!
Minorities want SOME representation NOT all representation. So your comment about white people is ultimately meaningless.
Don't get me wrong they made progress, it would be nice to life in a world with my diverse characters and not the usual standard white straight male.
Exploratory
Banned
Now we just need a little more diversity. Give it 2 years.
liliththepale
Banned
Something I've noticed is that most of the far- and near-future games have pretty good representation of minorities. Not necessarily up to par, but getting better. It's mostly in fantasy and "historic" games that the lack of diversity is being felt, but that's overblown because those kinds of games are seriously in vogue right now.
Anyway, that's a subject for a different thread. In here we're being happy that there are finally an appropriate number of females in games!