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[sörine]

The mental gymnasics flavious is performing to argue against DQ (and 3rd party games in general) on 3DS making business sense are astounding.

 

[Nirolak]

I still think at some stage you're replacing the Vita and I think if there's no clean break it will become more difficult. I think if you were to go Diva 3 on Vita/PS4 with a late port on NX you're probably not communicating that Vita probably isn't getting Diva 4. If Vita does receive Diva 4 it becomes even more difficult with Diva 5 IMO.

Even with Monster Hunter's relatively clean break you still saw people wondering why 3U wasn't on PSP and/or Vita. I think it's even worse with the perception that Nintendo handhelds are week, many think the 3DS is inferior to the PSP for instance.

I think this is less of a problem when there isn't a platform they can buy where they end up not having the game.

Like the Monster Hunter issue you describe here is driven by people transitioning from the PSP and picking a Vita (which would not have Monster Hunter) versus a 3DS (which does have Monster Hunter).

If there's no Vita successor, whether you picked a NX or a PS4 (the only two viable platforms in the market), you'd end up with the game.

Unless someone intends to stick with their Vita until 2020 I don't really see this as an issue.

Well wouldn't updating the engine to PS4 quality probably imply they're going the PS4 only route. Nintendo's handheld won't be able to run that. EDIT: Especially if they're pushing VR.

Possibly. It's not impossible they make a new Miku series on NX that isn't a chibi game (hence the end of Mirai) and put Diva F on PS4.

The scalability depends what's actually in the NX since you can do mobile downports of engines like Frostbite while retaining the general render pipeline to modern mobile hardware. We've seen that with things like the Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare tech demo that was shown when Metal was first announced.

Here's what Unreal Engine 4 looks like running on a Tegra K1 from June 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-tAZtbDZ8E

It's non-interactive, but so is Miku. It's not too hard to imagine being able to scale.

Of course, if the NX is just above the Vita in computational power, obviously that's vastly more of a problem and you'd probably have to split the series.

The mental gymnasics flavious is performing to argue against DQ (and 3rd party games in general) on 3DS making business sense are astounding.

Right, the only way I see Dragon Quest XI not being on 3DS is if it's a creative decision and they're writing off the lost sales as a way to push the PS4 for all their other games.

 

[Busaiku]

I don't think NX will get Project Diva or Mirai, but a new successor to both.
I don't think it'll get a Miku game at launch, but maybe in 2017.

 

[GhostTrick]

I think this is less of a problem when there isn't a platform they can buy where they end up not having the game.

Like the Monster Hunter issue you describe here is driven by people transitioning from the PSP and picking a Vita (which would not have Monster Hunter) versus a 3DS (which does have Monster Hunter).

If there's no Vita successor, whether you picked a NX or a PS4 (the only two viable platforms in the market), you'd end up with the game.

Unless someone intends to stick with their Vita until 2020 I don't really see this as an issue.



Possibly. It's not impossible they make a new Miku series on NX that isn't a chibi game (hence the end of Mirai) and put Diva F on PS4.

The scalability depends what's actually in the NX since you can do mobile downports of engines like Frostbite while retaining the general render pipeline to modern mobile hardware. We've seen that with things like the Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare tech demo that was shown when Metal was first announced.

Here's what Unreal Engine 4 looks like running on a Tegra K1 from June 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-tAZtbDZ8E

It's non-interactive, but so is Miku. It's not too hard to imagine being able to scale.

Of course, if the NX is just above the Vita in computational power, obviously that's vastly more of a problem and you'd probably have to split the series.


Right, the only way I see Dragon Quest XI not being on 3DS is if it's a creative decision and they're writing off the lost sales as a way to push the PS4 for all their other games.

Was the K1 UE4 demo confirmed to be running on tablet ? Because if it was just a board, it doesn't take into account throttling.

 

[Pennywise83]

They announced it for Western release on Vita already, and did so at a presentation at E3. If they wanted to leave it up in the air they would have shown it at TGS. They may well go digital only, but unless something has gone horribly wrong in development, I cannot imagine what would possess them not to release it at least digitally. I suspect dropping the PS3 version of DQH and SO5 was Sony's decision due to trying to move consumers from the PS3 to PS4, and wasn't Sony involved with the localization of the former? I doubt the Vita is seen as competing with the PS4, so if Square wants to, and it costs effectively nothing to insert the PS4 localization, why not? It would probably recoup(the very low) costs, and canceling it post announcement would be bad press.

Plans might change. Will PSV ever exist in Western territories in late-2016?

 

[Vena]

Of course, if the NX is just above the Vita in computational power, obviously that's vastly more of a problem and you'd probably have to split the series.

That''d take some mighty fine wizardry to pull off unless Nintendo builds a 50$ handheld and charges 200$ for it.

 

[Nirolak]

Was the K1 UE4 demo confirmed to be running on tablet ? Because if it was just a board, it doesn't take into account throttling.

It's not the greatest quality video, but here's 4Gamer using it on an NVIDIA Shield tablet and actually interacting with it (they move the camera around with a controller in the second half): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op9YmPvPPlM

 

[flaviusconstantius]

The mental gymnasics flavious is performing to argue against DQ (and 3rd party games in general) on 3DS making business sense are astounding.

I wouldn't call it gymnastics. Merely the type of thinking any long-term project goes through. Deductive reasoning is all well and good, but if it was all that mattered then posters could easily run companies and make better decisions.

1. 3DS has a large installed base
2. The Best selling games are on 3DS
3. Hence X game will sell best if on 3ds

But even if #3 is true, which I concede it sometimes is(it obviously was for Monster Hunter) it does not mean that it is true for every product, or that those are the only concerns. You also have concerns regarding cost, timing, future plans.

If 3DS/PS4 joint development was so self-evidently obvious, why don't more companies do it?

Everyone claims my points are absurd, yet the argument being made is that professionals who have worked in this field for decades and are paid enormous amounts of money to think about these things and get them right are being accused of being irrational and suicidal financially, rather than any sort of effort being to made to understand why they might think what they are doing makes sense.

Maybe it will be on 3DS, maybe it won't. It would make business for it to be on 3DS to the extent it would sell well and make money. I am suggesting it would also make business sense not to be, and might potentially make more in the long-run.

In any event it is a pointless argument. Either it will be on 3DS or it will not. I am not certain which. My issue and one that has been obscured is that companies not putting software on the 3DS are not somehow "burning money" or behaving capriciously or spitefully, but rather that there may well be good reasons for their actions.

 

[flaviusconstantius]

Plans might change. Will PSV ever exist in Western territories in late-2016?

At retail? Perhaps not.

Will Sony be supporting it through PSN, games being released on their? I suspect so, it is probably fairly close to free money for Sony as long as other companies are willing to keep up releases. my guess is that if say Xseed wants to release a digital game that sells 20K, Sony probably makes much more from its cut than it costs to keep servers up.

What would make Sony pull the plug I suspect is third parties losing interest, because at that point you would rapidly begin reaching saturation through sales, and hence Sony's income would fall.

So I see "support" continuing as long as releases do, but I could easily see Sony pulling the plug very abruptly if they cease given their treatment of PSM.

 

[Pennywise83]

3. Hence X game will have the best chance of selling better if on 3ds

Fixed.

But even if #3 is true, which I concede it sometimes is(it obviously was for Monster Hunter) it does not mean that it is true for every product, or that those are the only concerns. You also have concerns regarding cost, timing, future plans.

Indeed. Some IP will never sell well on 3DS (or on par with other platforms). DQ is not of the them.

At retail? Perhaps not.

Will Sony be supporting it through PSN, games being released on their? I suspect so, it is probably fairly close to free money for Sony as long as other companies are willing to keep up releases. my guess is that if say Xseed wants to release a digital game that sells 20K, Sony probably makes much more from its cut than it costs to keep servers up.

What would make Sony pull the plug I suspect is third parties losing interest, because at that point you would rapidly begin reaching saturation through sales, and hence Sony's income would fall.

So I see "support" continuing as long as releases do, but I could easily see Sony pulling the plug very abruptly if they cease given their treatment of PSM.

We will see. I did not say the game will not come out; I just said that it might well be that the PSV version will be ditched in the West because the platform will likely be sort of dead in the West at the end of the next year.

 

[sörine]

Not to say there isn't strategic reasoning behind a PS-ecosystem DQXI release (and Nirolak summed it up perfectly imo) but foregoing 3DS in Japan for this specific title is unquestionably going to lose significant sales. It's so readily self-evident that to deny it is, yes, totally absurd. It isn't an argument worth having mostly because it's so obvious.

 

[Fdkn]

Will PSV ever exist in Western territories in late-2016?

Yes.

Games keep getting announced and released for the platform, WoFF is not an isolated occurrence. The worst case scenario is going digital only like many vita games but I think sqe might even try retail because of the aesthetics and gameplay.

 

[Oregano]

I think this is less of a problem when there isn't a platform they can buy where they end up not having the game.

Like the Monster Hunter issue you describe here is driven by people transitioning from the PSP and picking a Vita (which would not have Monster Hunter) versus a 3DS (which does have Monster Hunter).

If there's no Vita successor, whether you picked a NX or a PS4 (the only two viable platforms in the market), you'd end up with the game.

Unless someone intends to stick with their Vita until 2020 I don't really see this as an issue.



Possibly. It's not impossible they make a new Miku series on NX that isn't a chibi game (hence the end of Mirai) and put Diva F on PS4.

The scalability depends what's actually in the NX since you can do mobile downports of engines like Frostbite while retaining the general render pipeline to modern mobile hardware. We've seen that with things like the Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare tech demo that was shown when Metal was first announced.

Here's what Unreal Engine 4 looks like running on a Tegra K1 from June 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-tAZtbDZ8E

It's non-interactive, but so is Miku. It's not too hard to imagine being able to scale.

Of course, if the NX is just above the Vita in computational power, obviously that's vastly more of a problem and you'd probably have to split the series.


Right, the only way I see Dragon Quest XI not being on 3DS is if it's a creative decision and they're writing off the lost sales as a way to push the PS4 for all their other games.

I think there's a few factors at play. Firstly there's whether or not NX is a decent leap from Vita and whether they take advantage of that. The bigger the tech difference the easier to convince people to upgrade will be.

The second factor is whether people will know to transition from Vita. Does the general public really know how bad Vita has done? Do they know it won't get a successor?

Sony won't publically announce that it won't get a successor so people could hold on expecting a Vita successor. Even with MH3 and MH4 announced for 3DS before Vita release people still went with Vita with the expectation of getting MH.

That''d take some mighty fine wizardry to pull off unless Nintendo builds a 50$ handheld and charges 200$ for it.

It's more about perception. People will swear down that the PSP is on par, or better, than the 3DS but there's no chance it could run Revelations or MH4.

EDIT:

Everyone claims my points are absurd, yet the argument being made is that professionals who have worked in this field for decades and are paid enormous amounts of money to think about these things and get them right are being accused of being irrational and suicidal financially, rather than any sort of effort being to made to understand why they might think what they are doing makes sense.

I'm kinda over the DQXI platform debate but this is a very dangerous assumption(that I've seen many people make) when you're talking about the poster child for franchise mismanagement trying to resurrect a dead market.

 

[Nirolak]

I think there's a few factors at play. Firstly there's whether or not NX is a decent leap from Vita and whether they take advantage of that. The bigger the tech difference the easier to convince people to upgrade will be.

The second factor is whether people will know to transition from Vita. Does the general public really know how bad Vita has done? Do they know it won't get a successor?

Sony won't publically announce that it won't get a successor so people could hold on expecting a Vita successor. Even with MH3 and MH4 announced for 3DS before Vita release people still went with Vita with the expectation of getting MH.

The Vita has only sold 4 million units, suggesting it's overwhelmingly owned by diehards. I feel comfortable saying that the vast majority of that audience is well aware of pretty much everything happening in the game industry, and probably also owns several other platforms like mobile phones and a 3DS as well.

Dedicated device consumers in general are progressively more informed about gaming as the more casual gamers have been pulled off by phones and so much information from around the world is available every second of the day.

 

[Oregano]

The Vita has only sold 4 million units, suggesting it's overwhelmingly owned by diehards. I feel comfortable saying that the vast majority of that audience is well aware of pretty much everything happening in the game industry, and probably also owns several other platforms like mobile phones and a 3DS as well.

You'd think that but there's quite a few people here on GAF that believe Vita is a)actually successful in Japan and b)getting a successor. I would say GAF is a step above the average enthusiast too.

 

[Nirolak]

You'd think that but there's quite a few people here on GAF that believe Vita is a)actually successful in Japan and b)getting a successor. I would say GAF is a step above the average enthusiast too.

Sure, but it becomes self evident as game announcements happen.

Like I really doubt there are many people sitting around in Japan going "Oh Diva F 4th was announced for PS4 and NX only? I'll just wait out the assured Sony handheld successor that hasn't shown up for two years past the NX now!!!!!!"

If people were dumb and obstinate the general behavior we see in the market revolving around platform switches (SNES -> PS1, PS2 -> DS/PSP, PSP -> 3DS, Wii/DS -> Mobile) wouldn't happen. Your average person just buys the system that plays the games they want.

 

[Fdkn]

You'd think that but there's quite a few people here on GAF that believe Vita is a)actually successful in Japan and b)getting a successor. I would say GAF is a step above the average enthusiast too.

those comments have more in common with delusion and wishful thinking than lack of knowledge.

 

[Oregano]

Sure, but it becomes self evident as game announcements happen.

Like I really doubt there are many people sitting around in Japan going "Oh Diva F 4th was announced for PS4 and NX only? I'll just wait out the assured Sony handheld successor that hasn't shown up for two years past the NX now!!!!!!"

If people were dumb and obstinate the general behavior we see in the market revolving around platform switches (SNES -> PS1, PS2 -> DS/PSP, PSP -> 3DS, Wii/DS -> Mobile) wouldn't happen. Your average person just buys the system that plays the games they want.

True, I probably am underestimating people.

As to the bolded Vita came out seven(right?) years after PSP and Sony is still talking about ten year lifecycles so I honestly wouldn't be surprised if people assumed they skipped Vita because a successor is on the way.

 

[flaviusconstantius]

On a related note, I think that given that this is a Media Crate thread it makes sense to exacerbate the Playstation v. Nintendo choice, but there seems to be a major change going on. I no longer think Nintendo and Sony are each others primary competitors or in direct competition. With Sony leaving the handheld market, and Nintendo looking to integrate their handheld and console lines with the former perhaps in the dominant role, its unclear how zero-sum success is. Yes a successful NX would finish off the Vita, but Sony is clearly beyond caring. Sony's main interest is international competition with Microsoft, and increasingly this generation, the Playstation 4 is looking like it will get a near monopoly on Japanese games given the poor sales of things like Type 0 on Xbone. What that means is that a healthier Japanese ecosystem is beneficial to Sony everywhere. At the same time, Nintendo clearly wants to solve its software drought problem.

I do not think this means that there will be open competition, but I also don't think Sony or Nintendo will try very hard to score exclusives off each other because they are doing their own thing. And that also means that Japanese third parties will push very hard to make PS4/NX dual development/porting as cheap and easy as possible, with neither Nintendo or Sony having much incentive to prevent it.

So I wouldn't be shocked to see an end towards ecosystem exclusivity for a lot of franchises including DQ, in the coming years since it will make little sense to anyone to maintain it, just as the pressures of a shrinking market and rising budgets led to the near-end of non-first party exclusives in the West.

I just think it will be the NX that replaces the Vita/PS3 as the other leg of the stool, not the 3DS, for technical reasons.

 

[Kresnik258]

We will see. I did not say the game will not come out; I just said that it might well be that the PSV version will be ditched in the West because the platform will likely be sort of dead in the West at the end of the next year.

It's been "sort of dead" in the west since last year (arguably 2013 even), and yet the game still got announced. I don't see it making any huge difference.

 

[flaviusconstantius]

It's been "sort of dead" in the west since last year (arguably 2013 even), and yet the game still got announced. I don't see it making any huge difference.

In fairness, I do think when the final end comes, it will be sudden. But Sony will keep up PSN and support for 3rd parties on the Vita as long as there is sufficient interest. And the "sufficient" level of interest to justify that is likely very low. But the moment it is gone, Sony won't hesitate a moment in putting the system behind them.

An interesting question might be whether there is an EU/NA split on the matter. SCEA Executives seem to have seen the Vita as some sort of imposition on their schedules from the first, whereas there seems to be some genuine affection for it in SCEE, albeit not extending to substantial budgetary support.

 

[Busaiku]

A physical copy of a game running on Unreal Engine 4 on Vita will come out in the US in 2017.

 

[Father_Brain]

Not to say there isn't strategic reasoning behind a PS-ecosystem DQXI release (and Nirolak summed it up perfectly imo) but foregoing 3DS in Japan for this specific title is unquestionably going to lose significant sales. It's so readily self-evident that to deny it is, yes, totally absurd. It isn't an argument worth having mostly because it's so obvious.

Sorry, where's this post from Nirolak? I'm still struggling to understand how this makes sense from any perspective other than "SE has lost it and thinks they can revive the Japanese console market by sheer force of will."

 

[sörine]

Sorry, where's this post from Nirolak? I'm still struggling to understand how this makes sense from any perspective other than "SE has lost it and thinks they can revive the Japanese console market by sheer force of will."

lol, that's basically it. They're sacrificing DQ to potentially build up PS and their other franchises (FF/KH/SO) in that ecosystem. Also there could possibly creative reasons for doing it.

Right, the only way I see Dragon Quest XI not being on 3DS is if it's a creative decision and they're writing off the lost sales as a way to push the PS4 for all their other games.

 

[Pennywise83]

lol, that's basically it. They're sacrificing DQ to potentially build up PS and their other franchises (FF/KH/SO) in that ecosystem. Also there could possibly creative reasons for doing it.

I also heard Capcom is bringing MH5 to PS4 to help Deep Down downloads and Dragon's Dogma Online adoption rate!

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

I also heard Capcom is bringing MH5 to PS4 to help Deep Down downloads and Dragon's Dogma Online adoption rate!

You mean Sfv right?

 

[sörine]

You mean Sfv right?

No, that one was paid for.

 

[Aostia]

why are we still arguing against a ps4 dqxi after hori's sentences?

 

[KillerMan91]

No, that one was paid for.

Well who knows if Sony is paying something for DQXI as it seems they are financing FFVII Remake in some way too (at least according insiders here if I remember right).

 

[sörine]

why are we still arguing against a ps4 dqxi after hori's sentences?

I don't think anyone really is. It's the reasoning that's being argued over now.

 

[Oregano]

why are we still arguing against a ps4 dqxi after hori's sentences?

Well there's a difference between thinking something will happen and thinking it's a good idea.

 

[Busaiku]

It's also why Monster Hunter arguments are kind of dumb.
Monster Hunter isn't tied to any single person, and Capcom must be glad for it.

 

[Nirolak]

Sorry, where's this post from Nirolak? I'm still struggling to understand how this makes sense from any perspective other than "SE has lost it and thinks they can revive the Japanese console market by sheer force of will."

Well yes, I think they're obviously insane and/or extremely bullish about their odds in the West.

I mean who would look at the PS4's sales in the OP and greenlight this based on those:
-Final Fantasy XV
-Kingdom Hearts 3
-Final Fantasy VII Remake
-Nier 2
-Dissidia: Final Fantasy (also on Arcade)
-Star Ocean 5 (also on PS3)
-Dragon Quest Heroes 2 (also on PS3/Vita)
-World of Final Fantasy (also on Vita)

Project Setsuna is also asking for Unity experience, so it's unlikely to be a 3DS game.

 

[Oregano]

Project Setsuna is also asking for Unity experience, so it's unlikely to be a 3DS game.

Obviously it's a New 3DS exclusive./s

 

[Nirolak]

Like to illustrate how far off the deep end Square Enix is here, World of Final Fantasy is a Pokemon competitor and it's launching on PS4/Vita.

 

[Father_Brain]

Well yes, I think they're obviously insane and/or extremely bullish about their odds in the West.

I mean who would look at the PS4's sales in the OP and greenlight this based on those:
-Final Fantasy XV
-Kingdom Hearts 3
-Final Fantasy VII Remake
-Nier 2
-Dissidia: Final Fantasy (also on Arcade)
-Star Ocean 5 (also on PS3)
-Dragon Quest Heroes 2 (also on PS3/Vita)
-World of Final Fantasy (also on Vita)

Project Setsuna is also asking for Unity experience, so it's unlikely to be a 3DS game.

Like to illustrate how far off the deep end Square Enix is here, World of Final Fantasy is a Pokemon competitor and it's launching on PS4/Vita.

So... pretty much what I thought, thanks. Lol. Well, it'll certainly make the next few years more interesting to watch.

 

[Busaiku]

Maybe everything is secretly on NX and they just can't announce it.
That's why Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts III are so far.
Think about it, it makes sense.

 

[KillerMan91]

Well yes, I think they're obviously insane and/or extremely bullish about their odds in the West.

I mean who would look at the PS4's sales in the OP and greenlight this based on those:
-Final Fantasy XV
-Kingdom Hearts 3
-Final Fantasy VII Remake
-Nier 2
-Dissidia: Final Fantasy (also on Arcade)
-Star Ocean 5 (also on PS3)
-Dragon Quest Heroes 2 (also on PS3/Vita)
-World of Final Fantasy (also on Vita)

Project Setsuna is also asking for Unity experience, so it's unlikely to be a 3DS game.

Out of those I only see World of Final Fantasy and Nier 2 being on weird platforms (Nier 2 even existing is a miracle). Otherwise those games have Vita or PS3 versions substituting for lower Japanese sales of PS4 or are titles that will sell a lot more in west and PS4 is pretty much only logical platform for those (KHIII, FFXV and FFVIIR). Dissidia is also probably pretty easy to port from Arcade to PS4 so it makes sense in that way.

 

[Oregano]

Maybe everything is secretly on NX and they just can't announce it.
That's why Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts III are so far.
Think about it, it makes sense.

I really don't think they'll be on NX but wasn't World of FF "First on Playstation"? I guess mobile might be a better choice though.

EDIT: On that note I'm a big fan of Square Enix's "We went PS4 because of the tech specs, but made a PS3/Vita version anyway" ethos. It's up there with Game Freak's "It looked right on the poster" philosophy.

 

[Darius]

So as a side note we've already seen Miku on PS4 as shown at E3:

I really doubt they bothered to significantly update the engine and build new higher detail models to only release a tech demo.

Sega went from Valkyria Chronicles on PS3 to two sequels exclusively on PSP, so I really doubt they have as much concerns about technical abilities as some believe, it´s more important where they think the audience will be going forward.

Segas announcement of the next 7th Dragon in style of the two previous PSP games for 3DS instead of PSV is also pretty interesting but not that surprising after PS Nova bad performance and the actual market situation in Japan.

 

[Nirolak]

Out of those I only see World of Final Fantasy and Nier 2 being on weird platforms (Nier 2 even existing is a miracle). Otherwise those games have Vita or PS3 versions substituting for lower Japanese sales of PS4 or are titles that will sell a lot more in west and PS4 is pretty much only logical platform for those (KHIII, FFXV and FFVIIR). Dissidia is also probably pretty easy to port from Arcade to PS4 so it makes sense in that way.

Consider the path we walk. The PS3 is on its deathbed and the Vita is a dead end product.

Companies don't make one shot products in 2015, so the clear intent is to keep these franchises going.

When you increment the number by one and spin the clock forward a couple of years, they're definitely hoping to revive the PS4 by sheer will or to have great success in the West to make up for it.

Sega went from Valkyria Chronicles on PS3 to two sequels exclusively on PSP, so I really doubt they have as much concerns about technical abilities as some believe, it´s more important where they think the audience will be going forward.

Segas announcement of the next 7th Dragon in style of the two previous PSP for 3DS instead of PSV is also pretty interesting but not that surprising after PS Nova bad performance and the actual market situation in Japan.

And I mean really just look at how well that Valkyria franchise is going now. It's not like the team got moved on to a mobile/Vita f2p game along with Sega's huge pullback out of dedicated device games.

But yes 7th Dragon is a fine example of how publishers are fine chasing an audience. It's still an /upgrade/ over the previous entries though.

 

[Hero of Legend]

Sega went from Valkyria Chronicles on PS3 to two sequels exclusively on PSP, so I really doubt they have as much concerns about technical abilities as some believe, it´s more important where they think the audience will be going forward.

Segas announcement of the next 7th Dragon in style of the two previous PSP games for 3DS instead of PSV is also pretty interesting but not that surprising after PS Nova bad performance and the actual market situation in Japan.

This. It REALLY took me by surprise since NO ONE could've predicted 7th Dragon III being on 3DS as opposed to Vita, when Sega put games like Phantasy Star Nova on it and stuff like Hero Bank on 3DS.

I would think that was entirely on Sega since they own the IP and dictate where it goes, but I can't help recall that Imageepoch really had lots of faith in 3DS, so is it possible they were allowed to influence the platform choice?

 

[Wiggy]

console needs big games to sell a lot
console needs to sell a lot to get big games

Many a platform can get caught in this death spiral, good on Square Enix for trying to break the cycle. I guess they assumed that having only one viable platform for games is not good for the industry and understand the importance of diversifying their revenue streams.

 

[Oregano]

console needs big games to sell a lot
console needs to sell a lot to get big games

Many a platform can get caught in this death spiral, good on Square Enix for trying to break the cycle. I guess they assumed that having only one viable platform for games is not good for the industry and understand the importance of diversifying their revenue streams.

Except they're totally fine with having one viable platform as long as that platform is the PS4.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

console needs big games to sell a lot
console needs to sell a lot to get big games

Many a platform can get caught in this death spiral, good on Square Enix for trying to break the cycle. I guess they assumed that having only one viable platform for games is not good for the industry and understand the importance of diversifying their revenue streams.

Not to mention that squares technoligical prowess cannot be demonstrated on mobile or even handheld.

 

[sörine]

Except they're totally fine with having one viable platform as long as that platform is the PS4.

Right. Diversifying was more what they did last gen with FF, DQ, KH, Star Ocean, Ogre, Mana, Nier and other franchises spread across PS3, PSP, DS, Wii and 360. No one system had the majority of support or all major games.

At this point for dedicated platforms they seem narrowly focused on PS4, with some ports over to Vita/PS3/One/Steam where it might be deemed necessary. We'll see how this change in strategy works out for them.

 

[KillerMan91]

Consider the path we walk. The PS3 is on its deathbed and the Vita is a dead end product.

Companies don't make one shot products in 2015, so the clear intent is to keep these franchises going.

When you increment the number by one and spin the clock forward a couple of years, they're definitely hoping to revive the PS4 by sheer will or to have great success in the West to make up for it.

When you put it that way I must agree. I was thinking these platforms choices too much just as a single decisions. It seems Square is trying to transform to same kind of publisher as big western publishers. Go big or go mobile.

 

[Mpl90]

Well yes, I think they're obviously insane and/or extremely bullish about their odds in the West.

I mean who would look at the PS4's sales in the OP and greenlight this based on those:
-Final Fantasy XV
-Kingdom Hearts 3
-Final Fantasy VII Remake
-Nier 2
-Dissidia: Final Fantasy (also on Arcade)
-Star Ocean 5 (also on PS3)
-Dragon Quest Heroes 2 (also on PS3/Vita)
-World of Final Fantasy (also on Vita)

Project Setsuna is also asking for Unity experience, so it's unlikely to be a 3DS game.

So, this means it's for NX *dun dun duuuuuuuuuun*

Seriously, I think World of Final Fantasy could see a NX release later, maybe even NX/Mobile. ...Also Dragon Quest Heroes 2 (later port/expanded release) could be, among those, a potential title that could see a NX release.

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The only other title, IMHO, would be Kingdom Hearts 3, but I fear it has the lowest chances of being released on NX, among those which I consider "potential releases". The others have from 1 to 0% chances, IMHO

 

[Pennywise83]

console needs big games to sell a lot
console needs to sell a lot to get big games

Many a platform can get caught in this death spiral, good on Square Enix for trying to break the cycle. I guess they assumed that having only one viable platform for games is not good for the industry and understand the importance of diversifying their revenue streams.

Funny since Square & Enix heydays were on NES, then SNES, then PS1, then PS2 (only one viable platform per generation).

 

[Eolz]

I actually think some of those games, as high profile they are, have a good chance of getting a NX (home console obviously) port, especially for the ones coming out in a long time, like KH3.
Even if they are "downgraded" or mediocre ports.