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Digitimes: Supply chain players gear up for new Nintendo console

I wouldn't get my hopes up. The power gulf between the Xbox and WiiU is gigantic. The NX could fall from anywhere of WiiU 1.5 to X1, but given the other rumors that it's going to go for an affordable price, I'm going to guess that it will be towards the lower end of the scale, probably similar to an NVidia Shield in terms of power.
I would actually be very happy with that. I almost posted a thread about the idea that Nintendo could start aiming for the midrange with a $200 console that was a shield running Nintendo's OS and a cartridge slot. Price it at $200. Whenever a new new tegra line comes out (Parker is next?), they could swap it in, make a big deal about it, and then price it at $200. Old games would still play, just at better framerates.

The same strategy could be used for the handheld line, just at a lower power, and with the added cost of two screens and a battery.

The great bit is that it all runs the same basic hardware, and therefore the same software.
 

BuggyMike

Member
Gonna be honest. I don't miss reading Iwata's ambiguous statements.

I mean ... that'd be an okay post if he just wasn't head of Nintendo anymore but the guy passed. I mean you might as well say "now that he's passed we don't have to read all those damn ambiguous statements"

Just an all around lame thing to say
 

Galang

Banned
Gonna be honest. I don't miss reading Iwata's ambiguous statements.

And now we're going to get more revealing answers? Iwata did what any intelligent person in his position would have done. They're obviously trying to be discreet about their next platform for good reason. Nothing good will come of leaking too much information about NX months before the full reveal. It happens with every console. It's better they keep quiet until it's ready and that's definitely not going to change now. Nintendo has generally been pretty good about keeping their plans secret
 
For one thing, NX is confirmed to be dedicated gaming hardware. The handheld could potentially look similar to a tablet, but it wouldn't be general purpose, like one might expect from a tablet.

Also, trying to break into the smartphone/tablet market directly like that is generally not a good idea, because it is hypercompetitive, and Nintendo would have to make literally the best phone/tablet ever in order to convince people to drop iOS or Android.
if you were saying just smartphones i agree, but the tablet market is incredibly different. A phone is a necessity, but a tablet is not and they can be swayed by a good product.

Im still scratching my heads on why a tablet is not a dedicated gaming device to some, it could literally be a large screened handheld with buttons. im not seeing much of a difference, it literally only has a large screen, thats what makes a tablet.
 

Burai

shitonmychest57
I mean ... that'd be an okay post if he just wasn't head of Nintendo anymore but the guy passed. I mean you might as well say "now that he's passed we don't have to read all those damn ambiguous statements"

Just an all around lame thing to say

Seriously, don't do this. This forum is going to become unbearable if people play the death card every time someone criticises the direction of the company or Iwata's contribution over the past few years.
 

AniHawk

Member
Seriously, don't do this. This forum is going to become unbearable if people play the death card every time someone criticises the direction of the company or Iwata's contribution over the past few years.

eh, i agree, but the tone of the post was what was being criticized there.
 
Criticism is fine, but I think this is sort of like turning to someone a week after JFK died and going "At least he can't talk out of both sides of his mouth anymore!"
 

BuggyMike

Member
Seriously, don't do this. This forum is going to become unbearable if people play the death card every time someone criticizes the direction of the company or Iwata's contribution over the past few years.

I don't have a problem with people criticizing Iwata, I personally didn't like the direction he took Nintendo and I stand by that still, that wasn't what I thought was bad about the post. It's more that the post came off as "well on the positive side of iwata passing we don't have to hear yadi yada". To me it's pretty fucked up to view someone's death in that way but to each his own.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
Like it or not, Nintendo is now in a position to where they cannot compete without their attempt ending in failure. As I've said before, a secondary console that's relatively cheap is quite possibly their only option. Maybe not $150 cheap, but $200 cheap with enough power & games to justify the price. The only way Nintendo could truly pull the rug right out from under Sony & Microsoft is if they go for 4K/60fps, but that'd be expensive as hell.
 

Hermii

Member
Like it or not, Nintendo is now in a position to where they cannot compete without their attempt ending in failure. As I've said before, a secondary console that's relatively cheap is quite possibly their only option. Maybe not $150 cheap, but $200 cheap with enough power & games to justify the price. The only way Nintendo could truly pull the rug right out from under Sony & Microsoft is if they go for 4K/60fps, but that'd be expensive as hell.
And stupid. If every single person with 4k tv bought one it wouldn't translate to a lot of sales.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
And stupid. If every single person with 4k tv bought one it wouldn't translate to a lot of sales.
That's more of a "chicken or the egg" situation. People don't buy 4K TVs because of the lack of content available, and companies don't make as much 4K content because there aren't enough TVs in enough homes. Overall, while it would be the only way for Nintendo to get the jump on the other two, it wouldn't be a good investment at the moment (especially when you consider how much those parts would cost). The cheap Nintendo Box I keep bringing up would still be their best option at the moment unless Sony fucks up &/or Microsoft fucks up even worse than before to the point where Nintendo can capitalize on it without breaking the bank.
 

Pokemaniac

Member
if you were saying just smartphones i agree, but the tablet market is incredibly different. A phone is a necessity, but a tablet is not and they can be swayed by a good product.

Im still scratching my heads on why a tablet is not a dedicated gaming device to some, it could literally be a large screened handheld with buttons. im not seeing much of a difference, it literally only has a large screen, thats what makes a tablet.

It could be a tablet, but honestly, a tablet built for gaming is going to look a lot more like a large Game Boy Advance than a tablet. At that point it's barely a tablet anymore.
 
How many people owned 720p or even 1080p TVs in 2004 (when the 360 was finalized)?

Not that many, but even then it was obvious to anyone watching what was happening with the tech that a major shift was coming (for the sake of convenience with TV size, if nothing else, as you can see by the number of people who bought HD/HD ready TVs and then hooked them up with SD content!) and a company ready to eat the loss and develop an HD console was in a position to benefit. Nintendo also gambled - correctly, I think, though it impacted on them later in the generation - that there was still a significant part of the market that hadn't upgraded or were going to be slower to upgrade (or who simply just didn't care) and went with an SD system.

I don't believe the same situation holds for 4K (or 3D), and I think that chasing after a system with the grunt to output impressive visuals at 4K - in the hope that will be a key selling point - is foolish.
 

Pokemaniac

Member
How many people owned 720p or even 1080p TVs in 2004 (when the 360 was finalized)?

When HD was first introduced, it was a major upgrade. Not just because it was better that SD, but because it was painfully obvious that it was better, and TVs were also undergoing a pretty big shift at the time which made them more appealing in general.

4k doesn't have any of that. It's just better than HD. As demonstrated by bluray, you need to be more than just better than the previous thing to get the general public to go out and upgrade with any sort of speed.
 

Terrell

Member
Shame that Unseen64's info with regards to this (as more of their info proves valid) had no clarity between handheld or console for the information that they were providing.

That said, given Matt's info with regards to "not being WiiU" level, then we may be looking at something around X1 (at least) if a console variant exists but, possibly, with better allocations therein.

Truthfully, any information received regarding the compute power and graphical capabilities of NX would have to have been accompanied with information regarding form factor. So the fact that it was intentionally obfuscated is just horseshit to me.

The handheld/console ambiguity has definitely been one of the worst things about the NX speculation cycle. With all the rumors being ambiguous, lots of people disagreeing about what NX will be, and the ever-present hybrid distraction, all the NX threads on here have been pretty crazy.

The only rumours that are ambiguous about NX are power-based rumours and that's because they're being made to be ambiguous by most people for no real reason because they're intentionally declining to speak on what device they're speaking of.

Gonna be honest. I don't miss reading Iwata's ambiguous statements.

They're only ambiguous because Nintendo's next move isn't as easy to predict as Sony and Microsoft's. Really, when talking about the next PlayStation, it's pretty much set in stone what you can expect from it outside of the system software. With Nintendo, we're never going to have that luxury ever again, because they've proven themselves to be an unknown quantity with every generation since the GameCube.

I wonder if Iwata meant that the NX platform will have two different form factors. One for western gamers and one for Japanese and neighboring markets. Sort of like how, we had NES/Famicom and so forth. Both consoles and handhelds, sharing the OS. When there's a firmware update its for both form factors and released simultaneously.

So in the East you may have hardware that is technically not on the same footing as what's released in the West. The form factor and overall console design will be different.

I think the time for unique form factors by region is over. Back in the 80s, it was a different story, but in a global market, it's very difficult to do.

Like it or not, Nintendo is now in a position to where they cannot compete without their attempt ending in failure. As I've said before, a secondary console that's relatively cheap is quite possibly their only option. Maybe not $150 cheap, but $200 cheap with enough power & games to justify the price. The only way Nintendo could truly pull the rug right out from under Sony & Microsoft is if they go for 4K/60fps, but that'd be expensive as hell.

What makes you think that being the second-string option is an option that wouldn't equally end in failure, when the only time that wasn't true was the Wii, when EVERY market expectation was untrue? The only difference is that it would be a financially-modest failure, but that just means you'd need to spend even MORE money on the next go-around to try and fix the problem so you don't continue to fade into complete irrelevance. Because if Nintendo isn't going to give people what they want, it doesn't matter how cheap it is, most people aren't going to buy it. And the longer you wait to give them what they want, the more money you have to spend marketing yourself to hell and back to convince them otherwise.

I don't think they're going to go for 4K, nor do I think they have a shot at being #1 in the market for the next 10 years at the bare minimum.
But with both Sony and Microsoft wanting to stay at $399 and $349 retail for their consoles with no signs of that changing and Microsoft being in a weak position so far this generation, there is an opportunity that presents itself to come in at $300 with hardware that is likely to see better cost reductions over time and put them in a position to always be a step ahead in price that could push Xbox One further into the background.

This, of course, only works if it's more than just another Nintendo-only box, since the market has largely decided it doesn't want a Nintendo-only box anymore on more than 1 occasion (again, barring the Wii), but until we know what that situation is, it's unclear how that will pan out. Regardless, if they pursue such an option and put in the work to try and make something of it, it's an aggressive option at a time when Nintendo needs to present a little bit of aggression and the market will respond to that.
 

Pokemaniac

Member
The only rumours that are ambiguous about NX are power-based rumours and that's because they're being made to be ambiguous by most people for no real reason because they're intentionally declining to speak on what device they're speaking of.

Unless I'm misremembering, there were at least a couple price based ones as well.

At any rate, I was referring more to the discussion of the rumors, than the rumors themselves.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
What makes you think that being the second-string option is an option that wouldn't equally end in failure, when the only time that wasn't true was the Wii, when EVERY market expectation was untrue? The only difference is that it would be a financially-modest failure, but that just means you'd need to spend even MORE money on the next go-around to try and fix the problem so you don't continue to fade into complete irrelevance. Because if Nintendo isn't going to give people what they want, it doesn't matter how cheap it is, most people aren't going to buy it. And the longer you wait to give them what they want, the more money you have to spend marketing yourself to hell and back to convince them otherwise.

I don't think they're going to go for 4K, nor do I think they have a shot at being #1 in the market for the next 10 years at the bare minimum.
But with both Sony and Microsoft wanting to stay at $399 and $349 retail for their consoles with no signs of that changing and Microsoft being in a weak position so far this generation, there is an opportunity that presents itself to come in at $300 with hardware that is likely to see better cost reductions over time and put them in a position to always be a step ahead in price that could push Xbox One further into the background.

This, of course, only works if it's more than just another Nintendo-only box, since the market has largely decided it doesn't want a Nintendo-only box anymore on more than 1 occasion (again, barring the Wii), but until we know what that situation is, it's unclear how that will pan out. Regardless, if they pursue such an option and put in the work to try and make something of it, it's an aggressive option at a time when Nintendo needs to present a little bit of aggression and the market will respond to that.
But the problem is that they view Nintendo as a Nintendo-only box, and third parties will be weary to support the system on account of this fact. And they aren't exactly wrong, seeing as (as stated numerous times in the past), many have bought a PS4 &/or an XB1 mainly for third party games. Nintendo has little to no hope of breaking into that market this late in the game, no matter how low they price the NX Console (assuming it's comparable to the PS4).
 
Yeah, NX could introduce a more flexible MSRP software pricing scenario at retail than we've seen to date, but splitting the difference between handheld and console game prices at $50 flat for the baseline pricing for games sounds right. I mean, it's not like developing handheld games is getting any cheaper anyways, even with Nintendo pooling their developers together.

The upgrade path erodes the nature of owning a physical copy, though, and puts them dangerously close to Xbox One-level backlash territory.

I think that's the thing. You buy the game, you have a physical copy, but if you plug into a more capable system, you have the ability for a free (or not free depending) upgrade.

I think Nintendo will be consistently better about things than 3rd parties regarding this though.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
I think that's the thing. You buy the game, you have a physical copy, but if you plug into a more capable system, you have the ability for a free (or not free depending) upgrade.

I think Nintendo will be consistently better about things than 3rd parties regarding this though.
They can try, sure. But after so many consoles of Nintendo ignoring third parties, I doubt they'll even give Nintendo a chance this time.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
You think that there will be no 3rd party games on future nintendo consoles? I don't see how that connects to what I'm saying.
I'm saying that I'm pretty sure that Nintendo has learned their lesson & will make a valid attempt to get them back. It's just that those attempts will likely fall on deaf ears (sans the likes of Sega, Capcom, Bandai Namco, & Atlus).
 
You're thinking of China and that has ended as of the N64. And they don't use blank Gamecards, I believe it's a non-proprietary solution.

Since then, cartridges were what has been provided. Japan has never offered such a service.

Yikes, just saw this post. I only quoted this section, as I think we're just at a standstill and must agree to disagree. Just to clarify, however, I was getting confused by a combo of the "download cards" they use at retail in Japan and the Nintendo Zone service, which I believe is no longer in use. My mistake, and I guess blank game cards wouldn't make sense once you think about it, since 3DS uses SD cards for data storage.
 
I'm saying that I'm pretty sure that Nintendo has learned their lesson & will make a valid attempt to get them back. It's just that those attempts will likely fall on deaf ears (sans the likes of Sega, Capcom, Bandai Namco, & Atlus).

What does that have to do with cross play and cartridges that are compatible with multiple concurrent systems?
 

diablos991

Can’t stump the diablos
Supply chain players gear up for disappointment.

Nintendo won't meet demand for this console. That is for sure.
 

Terrell

Member
Unless I'm misremembering, there were at least a couple price based ones as well.

At any rate, I was referring more to the discussion of the rumors, than the rumors themselves.

Those rumours have been struck down.

But the problem is that they view Nintendo as a Nintendo-only box, and third parties will be weary to support the system on account of this fact. And they aren't exactly wrong, seeing as (as stated numerous times in the past), many have bought a PS4 &/or an XB1 mainly for third party games. Nintendo has little to no hope of breaking into that market this late in the game, no matter how low they price the NX Console (assuming it's comparable to the PS4).

So, instead of changing the situation, just do nothing? How is that a viable plan, to just roll over and play dead, when there are still options to the contrary? Cuz all that's going to do is further cement that idea until there is literally NO going back from it, and Nintendo can kiss their hopes goodbye for long-term survival. They have to start somewhere, and the longer they wait, the worse the situation gets until even the most diehard Nintendo fans begin to simply write them off and they have nothing left to lean on. Hell, we've watched this happen already for the past 10 years.

Many might have bought a PS4 and Xbox One, but certainly not everyone has. If you don't even try, then of course the market will be completely ceded to PS4 and the scraps XBO is picking up in comparison.

I'm saying that I'm pretty sure that Nintendo has learned their lesson & will make a valid attempt to get them back. It's just that those attempts will likely fall on deaf ears (sans the likes of Sega, Capcom, Bandai Namco, & Atlus).

As though the exceptions you made somehow don't amount to anything. It's still more than the Wii U got, or what an underpowered Nintendo-nly box would receive. They seem to amount to enough for Microsoft and Sony to financially prop at least one of them up.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
So, instead of changing the situation, just do nothing? How is that a viable plan, to just roll over and play dead, when there are still options to the contrary? Cuz all that's going to do is further cement that idea until there is literally NO going back from it, and Nintendo can kiss their hopes goodbye for long-term survival. They have to start somewhere, and the longer they wait, the worse the situation gets until even the most diehard Nintendo fans begin to simply write them off and they have nothing left to lean on. Hell, we've watched this happen already for the past 10 years.

Many might have bought a PS4 and Xbox One, but certainly not everyone has. If you don't even try, then of course the market will be completely ceded to PS4 and the scraps XBO is picking up in comparison.
Such a full-scale effort to win back third parties & hardcore gamers alike should be saved for the generation after the NX Console, where it will hopefully align with the new consoles of that generation. Having a cheap secondary console will help buy Nintendo some time while having the system sell at a profit from the start & minimize the chances of failure. Let me put it this way, if you had the Infinity Gauntlet with all 6 gems in it but it was a one-time-use version, would you use it now to defeat Loki or use it later to defeat Thanos?
 

Terrell

Member
Such a full-scale effort to win back third parties & hardcore gamers alike should be saved for the generation after the NX Console, where it will hopefully align with the new consoles of that generation. Having a cheap secondary console will help buy Nintendo some time while having the system sell at a profit from the start & minimize the chances of failure. Let me put it this way, if you had the Infinity Gauntlet with all 6 gems in it, would you use it now to defeat Loki or use it later to defeat Thanos?

We're not talking about the Infinity Gauntlet with 6 gems in it, though.
To use your own analogy, what you're proposing is having an Infinity Gauntlet with NO gems in it and toddling around waiting to collect them instead of making the effort to start right now before it's too late. I'm proposing that there's literally no sense in waiting. Get started as soon as you can, because why the hell would you wait?

Starting now gives Nintendo a solid foundation at the beginning of the next generation to say, right from the get-go, that we're just as much a valid player in this market as anyone else is. Because if they don't, they'll be deemed a easily written off irrelevance in the competitive section of the console market by an even larger number of people than they are now. And I will very likely be in that camp, by that point.
 

tebunker

Banned
How many people owned 720p or even 1080p TVs in 2004 (when the 360 was finalized)?

One thing you need to remember is that changing broadcast standards were on the horizon and the advent of HD broadcasts and HDTVs were evident.

Only Nintendo who has admittedly been poor at understanding the west didn't see it coming.

In fact I'd say they are pretty poor at spotting trends.
 
I'm starting to become a bit more hopeful, based on Matt's report that the price will not be $149 and ShockingAlberto's report that they did not make the console intentionally underpowered. I think we will see something in the ballpark of Xbone, if not a little bit weaker. Strong enough for ports regardless.

There is the possibility of room in the market, as Xbox One has predictably tanked in Japan and is underperforming in other regions as well. If both PS4 and Xbox One were enjoying huge sales worldwide, it would be a different story, but if Nintendo comes out w/ a system that is a PS2 vs the competitions' Gamecube/Xbox, they might stand a chance. Everything else would have to fall into place, but they might stand a chance.

The 3DS' fixed shaders are surely preventing it from getting many indie games at the moment, as we have seen a surprising amount of Vita support from that sector as of late. I don't think that's all a matter of Sony cutting deals. Maybe some of it is, but I can't imagine developers ignore a 50 million strong userbase without good reason.

Finally, I believe it is safe to say that at least where sources are making comparisons to Wii U or PS4, they are referring to the NX as a home console. Let's give them a little credit, folks. Nintendo has presented this thing to developers--they know what it is.
 

Oregano

Member
We're not talking about the Infinity Gauntlet with 6 gems in it, though.
To use your own analogy, what you're proposing is having an Infinity Gauntlet with NO gems in it and toddling around waiting to collect them instead of making the effort to start right now before it's too late. I'm proposing that there's literally no sense in waiting. Get started as soon as you can, because why the hell would you wait?

Starting now gives Nintendo a solid foundation at the beginning of the next generation to say, right from the get-go, that we're just as much a valid player in this market as anyone else is. Because if they don't, they'll be deemed a easily written off irrelevance in the competitive section of the console market by an even larger number of people than they are now. And I will very likely be in that camp, by that point.

Thanos has less Infinity Gems now than he did before the first wave of MCU films so it looks like Nintendo has been following that strategy for a while.
 
I'm starting to become a bit more hopeful, based on Matt's report that the price will not be $149 and ShockingAlberto's report that they did not make the console intentionally underpowered. I think we will see something in the ballpark of Xbone, if not a little bit weaker. Strong enough for ports regardless.

There is the possibility of room in the market, as Xbox One has predictably tanked in Japan and is underperforming in other regions as well. If both PS4 and Xbox One were enjoying huge sales worldwide, it would be a different story, but if Nintendo comes out w/ a system that is a PS2 vs the competitions' Gamecube/Xbox, they might stand a chance. Everything else would have to fall into place, but they might stand a chance.

The 3DS' fixed shaders are surely preventing it from getting many indie games at the moment, as we have seen a surprising amount of Vita support from that sector as of late. I don't think that's all a matter of Sony cutting deals. Maybe some of it is, but I can't imagine developers ignore a 50 million strong userbase without good reason.

Finally, I believe it is safe to say that at least where sources are making comparisons to Wii U or PS4, they are referring to the NX as a home console. Let's give them a little credit, folks. Nintendo has presented this thing to developers--they know what it is.



I wouldnt put much hope into the on par or little bit below Xbox One.
 
I wouldnt put much hope into the on par or little bit below Xbox One.

Why not, GhostTrick? While I never expect them to abandon their value of being "unique," I think they realize that a home console requires a little more juice to garner support. I don't agree that they are going to make a "Nintendo box." They know they need third party support in some capacity, and the days of asking developers to tailor a game especially for their system are long gone.

...maybe half an Xbone, as I've said in the past, but they can't skimp on the CPU or RAM capacity if they intend to get ports. 8 cores and 8 GB of whatever...

Who's Matt and why is he trust-worthy?

Don't worry about it. Just know and appreciate that he speaks the truth.
 

Rodin

Member
I'm starting to become a bit more hopeful, based on Matt's report that the price will not be $149 and ShockingAlberto's report that they did not make the console intentionally underpowered. I think we will see something in the ballpark of Xbone, if not a little bit weaker. Strong enough for ports regardless.

There is the possibility of room in the market, as Xbox One has predictably tanked in Japan and is underperforming in other regions as well. If both PS4 and Xbox One were enjoying huge sales worldwide, it would be a different story, but if Nintendo comes out w/ a system that is a PS2 vs the competitions' Gamecube/Xbox, they might stand a chance. Everything else would have to fall into place, but they might stand a chance.

The 3DS' fixed shaders are surely preventing it from getting many indie games at the moment, as we have seen a surprising amount of Vita support from that sector as of late. I don't think that's all a matter of Sony cutting deals. Maybe some of it is, but I can't imagine developers ignore a 50 million strong userbase without good reason.

Finally, I believe it is safe to say that at least where sources are making comparisons to Wii U or PS4, they are referring to the NX as a home console. Let's give them a little credit, folks. Nintendo has presented this thing to developers--they know what it is.
Also Tamaki recently said that he had good news about NX.

tamaki-nxlqs8w.png


From my point of view, i guess it's possible they understood how much they needed their next hardware to fully support every engine on the market, to ensure ports not only from big publishers, but from indie developers too. UE4 is a big deal for indies, more and more japanese developers started using it, and we know that 1TFLOP is needed to fully support the engine. The portable can easily meet the requirements for the mobile version of it, Unity, etc. That's a pretty big deal for Nintendo, and a 1TFLOP GPU shouldn't be too pricey (or power hungry) today. So i currently see no reasons to believe they went under that, but anything can happen and i'm of course open to the possibility that i may be completely wrong about this.

Same, it's probably gonna be an upgrade over the Wii U comparable to the Wii from the GameCube (maybe a little more).
Like i said anything can happen, but right now a GC-Wii jump doesn't particularly make sense imho, no matter how you look at it.
 

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
Also Tamaki recently said that he had good news about NX.

tamaki-nxlqs8w.png



Anything can happen, but right now a GC-Wii jump doesn't particularly make sense imho, no matter how look at it.

I just tried to go to see what else was said about that Tamaki's tweet and, thus, I discovered he blocked me. Funny.
 

Ooccoo

Member
Wii U has been a great console but in ready for the NX. Let's hope it's not Christmas 2016.

But it will be.

Not really. I'm not saying there aren't quality titles for it, but overall the console is a major disappointment. I think I haven't played with mine for over a year, even Smash couldn't save it. Now that Zelda is probably an NX title and with the bad import reviews of Xenoblade I don't see how people can qualify the console as "great."
 
Why not, GhostTrick? While I never expect them to abandon their value of being "unique," I think they realize that a home console requires a little more juice to garner support. I don't agree that they are going to make a "Nintendo box." They know they need third party support in some capacity, and the days of asking developers to tailor a game especially for their system are long gone.

...maybe half an Xbone, as I've said in the past, but they can't skimp on the CPU or RAM capacity if they intend to get ports. 8 cores and 8 GB of whatever...



Don't worry about it. Just know and appreciate that he speaks the truth.



Then again, I dont expect them to do that on purpose. They'll just be based on the handheld. I realistically expect their handheld to be a 64gflops part. 8 to 10 times more than that would be like 512 to 640gflops.
Half a Xbox One.

As for ports, I dont think they expect port from West. As for Japan, they might still be stucked with PS3 for a long moment. Depending on NX portable success and specs, they might get support.
 
Also Tamaki recently said that he had good news about NX.

Ehh, as much as I want someone to spill the beans already, it's not for the good of Nintendo.

If anyone wants to drop me some hints, I promise to only disperse them in tantalizing and obscure Ideaman-style write-ups! hehe

I'm completely serious.

Rodin said:
Like i said anything can happen, but right now a GC-Wii jump doesn't particularly make sense imho, no matter how look at it.

Agreed. For one, Gamecube was a respectable piece of tech for its time.

Then again, I dont expect them to do that on purpose. They'll just be based on the handheld. I realistically expect their handheld to be a 64gflops part. 8 to 10 times more than that would be like 512 to 640gflops.
Half a Xbox One.

64 Gflops if they are using 28nm, I agree. Longshot is Globalfoundries/IBM 22nm if they have some leftover machines over there in New York. The other possibility is that AMD have an ultra-mobile architecture that has yet to be unveiled. Word on the street is they are working w/ Mediatek to incorporate their graphics tech into smart phones. This has yet to be officially announced, however.
 
Ehh, as much as I want someone to spill the beans already, it's not for the good of Nintendo.

If anyone wants to drop me some hints, I promise to only disperse them in tantalizing and obscure Ideaman-style write-ups! hehe

I'm completely serious.



Agreed. For one, Gamecube was a respectable piece of tech for its time.



64 Gflops if they are using 28nm, I agree. Longshot is Globalfoundries/IBM 22nm if they have some leftover machines over there in New York. The other possibility is that AMD have an ultra-mobile architecture that has yet to be unveiled. Word on the street is they are working w/ Mediatek to incorporate their graphics tech into smart phones. This has yet to be officially announced, however.




Even at 14nm, its unlikely. Samsung Galaxy S6 already has some troubles to maintain its GPU clockspeed to 770mhz, making it a 192gflops part without throttlinh to 400mhz or so.
 
I wonder:

$149.00 handheld
$249.00 console =
$400 for the "hardcore" Nintendo fan to have both.

Same power on both, same cartridges, Handheld acts as controller for Console, but Console has regular controller for those that never buy the handheld?

Thoughts?

Can the NX handheld deliver enough punch in 2016 for $150 dollars? If so they'll probably have a Homerun so to speak out of the gate. I wouldn't be surprised if the handheld NX (HHNX) was just one screen; abandoning the Dual screens in favor of BEING the second screen when coupled with the CNX (console).

Considering you can get a set top box that dwarfs the vita for $40, I'd say so.
 

Rodin

Member
Ehh, as much as I want someone to spill the beans already, it's not for the good of Nintendo.

If anyone wants to drop me some hints, I promise to only disperse them in tantalizing and obscure Ideaman-style write-ups! hehe

I'm completely serious.
Ha! I would be more than ok with this.
Especially if you'll PM me some details, all i care about is me knowing these things so i won't tell anyone anything! :p haha
Even at 14nm, its unlikely. Samsung Galaxy S6 already has some troubles to maintain its GPU clockspeed to 770mhz, making it a 192gflops part without throttlinh to 400mhz or so.

That has probably more than something to do with the fact that the S6 is 6.8mm thin, and dissipating heat in such a small space is no easy task. 2CU at 400MHZ should be okay for a handheld like 2.5x thicker than an S6, and that level of hardware should handle 540p just fine. If Nintendo went with IMGtec (16nm) this shouldn't be an issue at all, but that's probably not the case as we already said when we discussed this.
 
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