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[Gunstar Ikari]

Vert is legit.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

He's saying Omega Labyrinth is not part of some overwhelming majority, read the bold.

Honestly this always seems to be the case where a westerner finds the niche otaku stuff and just assumes it's like this all over Japan.

Right, and I'm disagreeing.

Among Japanese games that address sexuality/nudity at all, the pervy as fuck stuff that Parish is railing against *are* the majority.

 

[redcrayon]

So what games out of Japan handle sexuality/nudity/etc in a mature and adult fashion? Seems pretty easy to say "this isn't true", but at least on the side of looking at what gets released in the US, I can't think of a single one that doesn't fall in with Omega Labyrinth and others.

I can't think of any, but that wasn't what he was saying.

Actually, I can't think of many games from anywhere that handle it well, as they tend to have characters leaping straight to sex without any real depiction of a connection between them outside of a handful of sentences. As far as relationships go, that's different, I can think of plenty of warm friendships depicted well, and also flirting between people who are clearly attracted to each other, but sex and nudity always seems to happen incredibly quickly to either gratify the player or as a quest reward. There's rarely much of an attempt to establish the relationship that might lead to it, possible changes to the relationship/dialogue afterwards or considering whether it's even necessary. See also the fantasy brothels that seem to only employ tall, slim, young supermodels because that's the only female body type available for minor npcs.

I'm struggling to think of any sex/nudity scene in a game that is utterly necessary as character/plot development, rather than existing just to titillate the player, reward them for a completed task or both. Either of which are fine in a story aimed at being a fun fantasy for the player, but I wouldn't say is particularly well handled outside of that goal. Maybe I've just played the wrong games.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

I personally feel we should let people make what games they want, its an art form after all, but I do feel maybe they should be limits, but these limits can be best defined as "Its in the law" basically I'm saying, No more loli bullshit please.

So basically you agree with the French sûreté publique when they prosecuted Baudelaire and his editors back in 1857 for crime against public moral (they didn't appreciate his verses about Sappho, among others). Amusing.

But hey,

Elle était donc couchée et se laissait aimer,
Et du haut du divan elle souriait d’aise
À mon amour profond et doux comme la mer,
Qui vers elle montait comme vers sa falaise.

*is* borderline pornographic, however you wish to turn it.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Right, and I'm disagreeing.

Among Japanese games that address sexuality/nudity at all, the pervy as fuck stuff that Parish is railing against *are* the majority.

He (and I now) was probably talking about games as a whole, not the sub genre niche.

 

[PancakeAlmighty]

So murder is out?

That is the weird double standard that comes around with the argument.

 

[PancakeAlmighty]

So basically you agree with the French sûreté publique when they prosecuted Baudelaire and his editors back in 1857 for crime against public moral (they didn't appreciate his verses about Sappho, among others). Amusing.

But hey,

Elle était donc couchée et se laissait aimer,
Et du haut du divan elle souriait d’aise
À mon amour profond et doux comme la mer,
Qui vers elle montait comme vers sa falaise.

*is* borderline pornographic, however you wish to turn it.

I guess I just personally feel that the whole idea of Lolis is kind of disgusting I really can't see how its ok, e.g. I enjoyed the Senran Kagura games, but that one character in the maid outfit made me real uncomfortable and I didn't see the point in her at all.

 

[Palette Swap]

So basically you agree with the French sûreté publique when they prosecuted Baudelaire and his editors back in 1857 for crime against public moral (they didn't appreciate his verses about Sappho, among others). Amusing.

But hey,

Elle était donc couchée et se laissait aimer,
Et du haut du divan elle souriait d’aise
À mon amour profond et doux comme la mer,
Qui vers elle montait comme vers sa falaise.

*is* borderline pornographic, however you wish to turn it.

Well yeah, I mean you can make a very strong argument against 19th century obscenity laws, one I'd agree with, but that has little actual bearing on "don't make pedo games", as that's what the poster implied.

Unless you actually believe this Grand Last Stand of Pedo Anime Games will somehow drive our societies to finally embrace the Great Underskirt and appreciate all the nuances of drawn underage titty rubbing, and 150 years from now, people will scoff at our close-mindedness on these incredibly important artistic issues.

 

[Lollipop Dave]

Interesting article, I suppose. Some of his opinions feel all over the place. I was on the fence about ordering this or not but seeing this line

Omega Labyrinth, however, allows you to identify items by... rubbing them between your heroines' breasts

I am now sold.

 

[Sandfox]

It's entirely possible I just don't know all the games that handle sex differently but some recent examples would be nice

I just looked at two pages of newly or soon to be released Playstation Vita games in Japan. This is what i got. I originally posted pictures for all of them in spoiler tags, but they are just too NSFW at points, so I'll leave it to you to google them yourself

Kissato

(https://vndb.org/v13632) That quote sounds like it could have some potential...but nope. Just your regular big-breasted teenagers you can jack-off to.

Criminal Girls 2



GIRL FRIEND BETA KIMI TO SUGOSU NATSUYASUMI




Moe Chronicle





Omega Labyrinth



Those are only the ones I found after about 10 seconds of looking at some new releases. I didn't even include a fair amount of the regular "Date big-breasted 15-year olds!"-games.

This aren't just some exceptions. These are the rule.

I honestly misread your previous post, but this has more to do with games in general avoiding these themes with these games targeting the niche otaku market. It also depends on what you mean by "games like these" because there's a difference between games like Criminal Girls and a lot of the other games with an anime art style that people play.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

It's entirely possible I just don't know all the games that handle sex differently but some recent examples would be nice

I just looked at two pages of newly or soon to be released Playstation Vita games in Japan. This is what i got. I originally posted pictures for all of them in spoiler tags, but they are just too NSFW at points, so I'll leave it to you to google them yourself

Kissato

(https://vndb.org/v13632) That quote sounds like it could have some potential...but nope. Just your regular big-breasted teenagers you can jack-off to.

Criminal Girls 2



GIRL FRIEND BETA KIMI TO SUGOSU NATSUYASUMI

Moe Chronicle

Omega Labyrinth



Those are only the ones I found after about 10 seconds of looking at some new releases. I didn't even include a fair amount of the regular "Date big-breasted 15-year olds!"-games.

This aren't just some exceptions. These are the rule.

Two of your examples are VIsual Novels (one is a dating simulator adaptation from a mobile game). Not exactly best sellers.

 

[Ingueferroque]

*Looks at avatar through corner of eye*

Lol

I mostly agree with what you are saying. I guess I'm less interested in judging the author's output and intent as I am about discussing the underpinning issues being raised. Omega Labyrinth is of no interest to me, but it represents a serious issue that plagues all kinds of games in all kinds of genres. The article does bring that up, albeit in a poorly chosen format with a poorly chosen game. Wish we would get past that

What about Ocean Blue's avatar bothers you exactly? It's a girl smiling into a camera.

I guess I just personally feel that the whole idea of Lolis is kind of disgusting I really can't see how its ok, e.g. I enjoyed the Senran Kagura games, but that one character in the maid outfit made me real uncomfortable and I didn't see the point in her at all.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Though I smh at all the 'pedo' being thrown around.

 

[encephalon]

So just to clarify, this is the instant labeling given towards people who likes perverted games- But people who like violent, gory games are given the benefit of the doubt?

Aren't they both imaginary fiction?

Violence does not exist in games for the purpose of arousal.

 

[Ingueferroque]

Violence does not exist in games for the purpose of arousal.

Yeah, nobody ever referred to a game as gun porn.

 

[petran79]

the irony is that the first kinky Japanese games I experienced were in the arcades...Arcade mals were accessible to all ages btw! If parents knew....
So I wonder why 20 years later this bias towards Japanese games.

eg in Poker Ladies you could do weird stuff with naked women, sex toys and fluffy animals after each scene.....

In Pocket Gal you could strip the models after every set

Lady Killer has something similar

 

[SolidSnakex]

It's entirely possible I just don't know all the games that handle sex differently but some recent examples would be nice

I just looked at two pages of newly or soon to be released Playstation Vita games in Japan. This is what i got. I originally posted pictures for all of them in spoiler tags, but they are just too NSFW at points, so I'll leave it to you to google them yourself

Kissato

(https://vndb.org/v13632) That quote sounds like it could have some potential...but nope. Just your regular big-breasted teenagers you can jack-off to.

Criminal Girls 2



GIRL FRIEND BETA KIMI TO SUGOSU NATSUYASUMI



[MG]http://img.amiami.jp/images/product/main/152//GAME-0014209.jpg[/IMG]

Moe Chronicle



[IG]http://s3.pacn.ws/360/m6/moe-chronicle-chinese-english-sub-399349.18.jpg?nntj2r[/IMG]

Omega Labyrinth



Those are only the ones I found after about 10 seconds of looking at some new releases. I didn't even include a fair amount of the regular "Date big-breasted 15-year olds!"-games.

This aren't just some exceptions. These are the rule.

Here are the top 100 best selling games in Japan this year

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1091220

I may be overlooking something, but from what I can tell Senran Kagura and Fire Emblem are the only two games that would fall into the category that Parish is talking about. And the 100th best selling game on that list sold 31k units, which gives you an idea of how the really heavy fanservice games are selling.

 

[Sai-kun]

Yeah, nobody ever referred to a game as gun porn.

I'm not sure this is as good of a rebuttal as you think it is.

Edit: and lol at you referring to guys being into little half naked anime girls as just 'different strokes'

 

[encephalon]

Yeah, nobody ever referred to a game as gun porn.

And people who use the term "food porn" are suggesting arousal from food? Please.

We should be able to agree that sexual content exists for very specific purpose that game violence does not occupy.

 

[Ingueferroque]

And people who use the term "food porn" are suggesting arousal from food? Please.

We should be able to agree that sexual content exists for very specific purpose that game violence does not occupy.

Ive played and enjoyed games that contain content as is discussed here, and I never once considered myself aroused or started to touch myself.

There are other games for that purpose on PC, and the gulf between those and the subjects of this thread are vast.

 

[encephalon]

Ive played and enjoyed games that contain content as is discussed here, and I never once considered myself aroused or started to touch myself.

There are other games for that purpose on PC, and the gulf between those and the subjects of this thread are vast.

Your personal arousal or lack thereof is irrelevant to the purpose sexual content serves in games.

 

[Necro900]

"The ratings restrictions and console content approval rules that result in games that skirt the boundaries of pornography without being allowed to just be honest and show the nudity and sexuality their creators clearly want to"

That's just... his opinion, I guess? What the hell does he know about what "creators clearly want to do"? There's a niche market for "hardcore-R" games too, if developers want to develop such games, there's nobody telling them not to.

I guess to a westerner the vast amount of "borderline" japanese games looks awkward, and that's why someone, trying to understand the phenomenon, could come up with bullshit like "the medium has to grow up, it's limited and bla bla".
A fraction of the gamer population in Japan (and overseas too, who are we kidding) is into that. Those games don't go "further" because they don't need to, not because the developers are somehow limited. If they actually were more explicit, they would belong to a different genre.

 

[The Technomancer]

But where does this depiction stop? Afterall what does it say about Rockstar thinking up the scenario's they make in GTA in regards to glorifying bank heists, drugs and criminal life vs the 10's of millions of people who buy the game and the 10's of millions of people who buy Call of Duty every year etc. There's a cut off point between reality vs fantasy that needs to be acknowledged.

I mean, think about what I said here: what does what they made tell us about them and who they think their audience is? Rockstar thinks their audience enjoys a fantasy life of violent hedonism and crime. Is that great? Not really, but it has its roots in a kind of anti-authoritanism that has a pretty long history and sometimes comes from a complex place. What do the makers of Call of Duty think their audience wants? Well, jingoistic military power fantasies basically, and I think that's really gross and that we don't talk about the fucked up politics of CoD nearly enough. But what do the makers of games like these think that their audience wants? Sexualized depictions of characters who are usually a combination of young and innocent.

Forget the question of if the game has a "real effect" or anything like that. This is ultimately what it comes down to me: do I want to support a developer who produces a game designed to appeal to that sort of person? And sorry but when you do buy such a game you tell me that you don't mind supporting a developer who targets that kind of audience which reads as tacit approval, or at least not disapproval

 

[Kintaro]

Violence does not exist in games for the purpose of arousal.

Are you sure? Violent games pander and fulfill more fantasies in gamers than any of these games possibly could.

 

[AlucardGV]

i disagree. why should the medium grow up as a whole? like, every game should be mature and they shouldn't make silly games anymore? let them be, and go back playing TLOU. you know it's not gonna disappear because omega tittes is coming out.
"i don't like this thing made on the other side of the ocean because it doesn't conform to my american tastes, this shouldn't exist" tl,dr.

 

[Shouta]

Generally agreed on the point of the article but I think he forgets that Japan as a whole is better for sex and games when you consider visual novels. Lots of stuff there that deals with sex quite frankly. Not that we'd get those here, lol

 

[potatohead]

I mean, think about what I said here: what does what they made tell us about them and who they think their audience is? Rockstar thinks their audience enjoys a fantasy life of violent hedonism and crime. Is that great? Not really, but it has its roots in a kind of anti-authoritanism that has a pretty long history and sometimes comes from a complex place. What do the makers of Call of Duty think their audience wants? Well, jingoistic military power fantasies basically, and I think that's really gross and that we don't talk about the fucked up politics of CoD nearly enough. But what do the makers of games like these think that their audience wants? Sexualized depictions of characters who are usually a combination of young and innocent.

Forget the question of if the game has a "real effect" or anything like that. This is ultimately what it comes down to me: do I want to support a developer who produces a game designed to appeal to that sort of person? And sorry but when you do buy such a game you tell me that you don't mind supporting a developer who targets that kind of audience which reads as tacit approval, or at least not disapproval

Not disagreeing with your overall point, but just wanted to say that Rockstar does offer players the opportunity to engage in sexual acts with prostitutes, as well as murder those same prostitutes, since Grand Theft Auto 3 in 2001.

And the graphic depiction of these sexual acts has probably increased many fold in Grand Theft Auto V where the (male) player character dictates all aspects of the sex acts.

In previous games, the camera was forced away from the sex act, and at least up until Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, the only feedback of the sex act was through audio and the shaking of the vehicle.

Whether or not this is better, or worse, or the same as the lolita soft-porn of some Japanese made games is another question.

Whether it is a commentary or satire on Western opinions on prostitution or sex overall is another topic as well. I personally don't think any aspect of sex in Grand Theft Auto V is thoughtfully presented enough for that, and I also don't subscribe to the idea that satire is of good quality or intentions just by it being presented.

While it is a side aspect of the game and can be ignored, it's worth mentioning that it is there.

And I believe in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, completing "12" pimping missions is necessary for 100% completion of the game.

I actually only noticed the pimping missions this year when I was playing the game in PCSX2 lol. Interestingly, I think the pimping missions of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas are probably the more thoughtful approach than other GTA games for introducing sex into videogames, Oddly enough it ends up illustrating the dangers prostitutes may face when they are in that profession. Though it stops short of representing an often physically and emotionally abusive relationship between a pimp and a prostitute.

If anything I think the overall criticism of sex in games is that it is simply unrealistic or even one could go as far to say untrue or false. There are many interesting articles on prostitutes experience written all over the web also such as these:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33710224

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33113238

I'm also personally surprised GTA in its supposed satirical world view does not address the phenomenon of internet porn more like this theatre play: http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20150617-how-is-porn-changing-society

There are other similar articles in which prostitutes may have different experiences, and are in other parts of the world.

Despite the depictions of sex in many videogames, unlike in some movies, in their depictions they probably always fail to illustrate the very real and serious issues of human trafficking and physical and mental abuse that go along with prostitution. And in regards to a real sexual relationship, most games would probably fail to represent that as well.

Not that being "real" is the purpose of all games. But it is interesting for many games to include so much sex without really exploring the subject in a deeper way. I think that is a fair criticism of the representation of sex and sexual experience in videogames. It is even the same criticism of pornography which I think is fair too, for with all of its content, fails to offer even some small amount of alternative content to give a more realistic representation of what a sexual experience would really be for most people, which most likely contains a lot more emotional attachment than any porn or sex in videogames provides.

Even in movies there is a lot of criticism of stories about the female sex object, which invariably make women a victim (which may be true in many or most cases, but it is becoming more and more apparent this is not always the case), while male subjects always seem to be empowered in their being overtly sexual (see: Magic Mike): http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20150710-why-is-the-film-industry-hypocritical-about-strippers

There's always a story in the real world that puts art to shame. But I guess that's where there is always an opportunity for art in movies or books or TV or videogames to try to reflect those realities in a more interesting way.

 

[Leafhopper]

What's all this abo----

I can totally see how an average person would explode in a grossout editorial over this.

Or laugh at the absurdity of it. Maybe that's just me.

I don't know I am a huge Japanese game fan and it's not because of weird shit like this I don't play them, I just think most of these games that focus on this stuff end up being terrible because they don't focus on the actual gameplay.

Also the Japanese have been making these games since forever. Just that you don't know about them. Go find a PC engine list of Japanese games or something.

 

[Sumio Mondo]

Generally agreed on the point of the article but I think he forgets that Japan as a whole is better for sex and games when you consider visual novels. Lots of stuff there that deals with sex quite frankly. Not that we'd get those here, lol

And see, that's a big problem in this discussion. As long as these localization companies just keep bringing the same old kind of fanservice games, articles like this will continue to pop up and people in the West will continue to think that is the majority of what Japanese games are like, which isn't the case.

 

[Shouta]

And see, that's a big problem in this discussion. As long as these localization companies just keep bringing the same old kind of fanservice games, articles like this will continue to pop up and people in the West will continue to think that is the majority of what Japanese games are like, which isn't the case.

They don't bring them because they're unlikely to make money from them. Additionally, adult games fairly separate from what are considered games consumed by the general public.

 

[Leafhopper]

And see, that's a big problem in this discussion. As long as these localization companies just keep bringing the same old kind of fanservice games, articles like this will continue to pop up and people in the West will continue to think that is the majority of what Japanese games are like, which isn't the case.

Sadly.

 

[patapuf]

And see, that's a big problem in this discussion. As long as these localization companies just keep bringing the same old kind of fanservice games, articles like this will continue to pop up and people in the West will continue to think that is the majority of what Japanese games are like, which isn't the case.

There is even less opportunity to sell them in the west than there is in japan.

You are basically stuck on online distribution - but not on the popular stores.

 

[Interfectum]

In regards to western games, as per his Mass Effect example, how do people think The Witcher 3 handled romance? While not perfect I do think the relationship aspect, specifically between Geralt and Yennifer, was handled extremely well for a video game.

 

[Led_Zeppelin]

What a terrible article, just grow up and accept that in the market needs are going to get meet by someone wanting to make money out of that market always withing the confinements of the law.

You want to change something? Press your representatives to hardship the laws against this type of products instead of trying to guilt trip and audience of developer for the things they like to make or buy or whatever.

 

[QaaQer]

It is a bit of an asinine point to make, because it's a grave people like Parish would love to dig for these games. The idea that he genuinely finds cheesecake-heavy games "sleazier" than the eroge games (which are only allowed to exist outside consoles/portables) is hard to believe. So it's really a matter of being frustrated they don't jump into the grave.

That's putting aside the point that these developers may find a specific appeal to being risque, but not explicit. Comedy, for example, is rarely sexually explicit even when very sexually charged.

I think his point is you cannot make a game with actual genetalia or sexuality, even of the game of thrones HBO variety, because no one will sell it. Can you find a game on steam with genitalia, tasteful or not? Instead we get stuff like the spray painted blue stripper cortana in halo 4, or Mass Effect 3 labia majora body suits. It is sleazy looking, whereas genuine sexuality isn't.

 

[QaaQer]

I don't have an issue with the policies. I do think personally, calling someone a pedophile is one of the worst things you can call someone, and such rhetoric should be used very, very sparingly. That's what I have an issue with right now.

The term pedophile should be reserved for the Jareds of the world.

No. It should be used when necessary and as a means of shaming leinient countries like jpn into action. Jpn only outlawed child pornography possession and distribution in 2014 and they excluded videogames and comics from the law. Japan is friendly towards pedos, and should be labeled as such.

 

[potatohead]

This is an interesting and relevant article on Three Western Myths about Japan

1: Japan is inherently strange

"To find oneself suddenly in a world where everything is upon a smaller and daintier scale than with us - a world of lesser and seemingly kindlier beings, all smiling at you as if to wish you well - a world where all movement is slow and soft, and voices are hushed… this is surely the realisation, for imaginations nourished with English folklore, of the old dream of a World of Elves."

That was the writer Lafcadio Hearn, 125 years ago. Across the century that followed, countless Westerners visited and worked in Japan. Japanese culture became readily available to us in literature and film. And yet despite all this, the keynote of the brilliant 1980s travelogue Clive James in Japan was a drily comic bewilderment at everything.

When he buys a snack on a bullet train, thinking that it might be a ham sandwich (while also noting that it looks like a pair of tights) it turns out to be a powerful-smelling dried squid - "dried and ironed" he speculates. Revolted, James stuffs the snack into the seat pocket and heads off for his next misadventure with the carriage's on-board telephone.

Clive James wasn't alone. Soon came Michael Palin, who shared with James a tendency to observe and commentate on the Japanese from a distance, without really engaging directly.

Maybe I shouldn't gripe. This was light entertainment, after all. But whereas most travel documentaries try to offer a portrait of a place, helping viewers or listeners get to know it, when it came to the Japanese the underlying message was: "It can't be done! They're completely inscrutable!"
Why? One reason may be that in a world where true strangeness and surprise have become rare and precious commodities, we have to find them somewhere. Financial Times journalist David Pilling quotes a friend who said Japan was the most alien place she'd been that had good plumbing.

At the same time, Japan offers us a mirror in which to look at ourselves. We say "Japan is…", but we're really asking a question: "Are we…?" The Japanese are dainty, kindly, soft - are we coarse and hard-hearted? Japan is hobbled by a group mentality that trumps individualism - how free are we…?

3. Japanese women are submissive

Japan has been seen as the land that feminism forgot. Both Japanese and Western commentators have tended to see the geisha girl as the ideal of Japanese womanhood - attractive and subtle, subservient to men, but clever enough to be good company. Then there was the influential American anthropologist of the 1940s, Ruth Benedict, who heard that Japanese girls were given just enough education so they could put their husbands' books back the right way up once they'd finished dusting them. By the 1960s, for Western men unsure what to make of the rise of women's liberation movements, all of this appeared deeply attractive.

Japanese women even received the ultimate British seal of approval in 1967, as Mie Hama became Bond-girl "Kissy Suzuki" in You Only Live Twice. Given the low-down on domestic arrangements in Japan by his male host - women are inferior to men, they're happy with that, and they live to serve - Bond gives his blessing: "I think I'll retire here…

And if you think that nothing of this sort could possibly go on in the early 21st Century, then you haven't been paying attention to Japanese pop culture, and the success of Japanese pop behemoth AKB-48.

Yes, 48 young girls, forbidden from having boyfriends and content instead to smile and dance around in bikinis or mock military uniforms or really whatever a paying public of - critics would argue - socially inadequate young and middle-aged men want to see.

All in all, this particular myth about Japan is simply worth too much to too many people - Western men mourning the passing of the patriarchy, Western feminists looking for sisters to save in Asia, corporate Japan chasing the under-deodorised male dollar (or Yen) - for it to be revised any time soon.

It's the perfect example of how diverse interests come together over time to create misrepresentations with a surprisingly long shelf life.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Why are so many members banned? I hope I don’t get banned for just posting in this thread haha.

Anyways, I think these games are harmless and they usually don't sell that much, so they don't represent games as a whole in any way and they are aimed to a really specific market, so I don't see the problem. If this game is just fanservice and it isn't a good game, then I'll just ignore it like I do with many of these shallow games.

He doesn't seem to want the games censored or stop being made, so I don't see the problem with the article, but the idea that games needs to "grow up" is something I don't agree with, even if I would enjoy more games that are take a more mature approach about human interaction and sexuality like Catherine did. So I think there’s a place for both, games like these can keep existing but having more “mature” games would also be nice.

 

[Nabae]

It's a simple case of Japan having different values on the topic of sex. They're more open about it, whereas in the west, it's almost taboo. Meanwhile, no one in the west bats an eye at excessive violence and gore.

There's also a bit of a double standard here. Japanese video games get called out all the time, whereas something like the Song of Ice and Fire books are put on a pedestal.

 

[LowEndTheory]

I always wondered why people think that the existence of a 'bad' game invalidates the medium. Do Troma movies invalidate movies as a medium? No.

this guy gets it

 

[Deleted member 126221]

It's funny that you can pretty much guess what will be said in a post just by looking at the poster's avatar in this thread. The... errr... "titillating japanese games featuring underage girls" defense force is a lot bigger than I thought.

this guy gets it

No? Did you even read the article? It's not about a single game, it's about a trend. Big difference.

 

[Shengar]

It's funny that you can pretty much guess what will be said in a post just by looking at the poster's avatar in this thread. The... errr... "titillating japanese games featuring underage girls" defense force is a lot bigger than I thought.

This post is amazing

 

[Sakujou]

gaming isnt art as long as we still have to deal with stereotypes. if there is a game only with stereotypes(tekken7) people tend to have meltdowns and call the devs sexists and whatnot. the dev isnt taking the game itself not too serious.

my solution: devs should just release the games they want. dont listen to the crowd since there are always people crying out loud for nothing, since these people wont buy the product anyway.

and its not the west which thinks that sex is taboo. its the 'MURICANS who have a problem with that. why include europe or the rest of the world in this "its a taboo" thing into it?

germany has a problem with showing violence in games. it got better in the last 20 years, but gradually. it took a long time. there is still cencorship out there, but not as excessive as it was in the 90ies (quake, doom, duke nukem, hexen, max payne all of those games were forbidden to advertise or to show in window shelf for minors, most of the time you only could buy those games only if would import them from the US/UK, which was expensive as fuck back then)

 

[Gunstar Ikari]

It's funny that you can pretty much guess what will be said in a post just by looking at the poster's avatar in this thread.

This stupid shit should be bannable.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Violence does not exist in games for the purpose of arousal.

People can be aroused by violence. To quote you "Your personal arousal or lack thereof is irrelevant to the purpose".

And secondly, is arousal some kind of uniquely forbidden taboo?

 

[dead souls]

This stupid shit should be bannable.

Why? Every time there's a thread where pedo-defense GAF comes out you can bet a significant portion of them will have anime avatars.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

And secondly, is arousal some kind of uniquely forbidden taboo?

Arousal from imagery of sexualized children is a bit taboo, yeah.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Arousal from imagery of sexualized children is a bit taboo, yeah.

I get it we got to protect those imaginary children. However I was talking about general arousal.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

It's a bit taboo in western societies. But what the article is complaining about is not the existence of sexual content in games, but how tacky and juvenile it almost always is. Taboo or not, it's just disappointing tiresome.

And lol at "protect those imaginary children". Way to consciously miss the point.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

It's a bit taboo in western societies. But what the article is complaining about is not the existence of sexual content in games, but how tacky and juvenile it almost always is. Taboo or not, it's just disappointing tiresome.

And lol at "protect those imaginary children". Way to consciously miss the point.

I was actually responding to this quote who was responding to my quote.

Violence does not exist in games for the purpose of arousal.

And they are 2D children, but as a mod had told me, I should just accept the law of the land here and move on so I don't intend to further argue that point.

 

[Crossing Eden]

I get it we got to protect those imaginary children. However I was talking about general arousal.

Article isn't about general arousal, the thread isnt even about general arousal, no one said anything about general arousal being wrong, however, this thread IS about sexualized underage girls, and in that context, it's wrong no matter how you try to spin it, even by passively aggressively pointing out that they're not real.