Also: Sorry I've been so quiet in the last few game-days. Had some heavy stuff going on IRL, and it's made it hard to focus on the game. (ONUW, on the other hand, practically runs itself.) I'm hoping things will be better soon and I'll be able to take a firmer hand in hunting down scum. If not, then I'll ask Zatoth to replace me.
LoC isn't gonna serve up all his Cultist buddies in a single Day One post. What he's doing there is hiding his defense of Prodigy in a list of other names. If anything, that post points to everyone else being Tourists.
Capitan only posted once. It was before the game started, and it was an image of Davy Jones falling off a ship.
We often assume that replacements are safe to keep around, because someone who is Mafia probably isn't going to quit the game halfway through. It's more likely for bored players who don't have exciting power roles. Since Capitan never actually participated in the game, I would agree that Edge is a viable target.
Also, Retro had a Day One vote on Prodigy when he was in the lead on Day One. This was before LoC came in with his "Blarg is a serial killer" nonsense, which at this point was clearly a Hail Mary play to throw heat on somebody else. I feel like an idiot for not realizing it until today. LoC's "reinterpretation" of Blarg's puzzle never made a lot of sense to me, but I just chalked it up to the ambiguity of Blarg's puzzles.
Also, Retro had a Day One vote on Prodigy when he was in the lead on Day One. This was before LoC came in with his "Blarg is a serial killer" nonsense, which at this point was clearly a Hail Mary play to throw heat on somebody else. I feel like an idiot for not realizing it until today. LoC's "reinterpretation" of Blarg's puzzle never made a lot of sense to me, but I just chalked it up to the ambiguity of Blarg's puzzles.
LoC had you all good early game, there's no denying that, I suppose it's easier for a wolf in sheeps clothing to herd the sheep and throwing his weight around undetected than it was if you straight up know you're a tourist. Putting pressure on TheWorthyEdge doesn't really seem like the right thing to do just demand it from him I'm sure he'll put out in the end.
I'll put a vote out though, it'll help the game I suppose.
VOTE: Timeaisis
I dunno, you just seem too comfy to me like there's never been any real struggle from you. I know I keep pointing out you and Retro but you just stand out the most to me. Forgive me.
if everyone's so curious as to what being insane entails, I'm more than willing to use the book tonight so I'll be insane Day 5 and we can all learn about it that way
Hyperactivity,which players stick out to you as being most suspicious rn? I want to hear what the fresh eyes think. There's still one Cultist who's been rotten since the start lurking here so I'm curious about your perspective as to who it's most likely to be.
LoC had you all good early game, there's no denying that, I suppose it's easier for a wolf in sheeps clothing to herd the sheep and throwing his weight around undetected than it was if you straight up know you're a tourist. Putting pressure on TheWorthyEdge doesn't really seem like the right thing to do just demand it from him I'm sure he'll put out in the end.
I'll put a vote out though, it'll help the game I suppose.
VOTE: Timeaisis
I dunno, you just seem too comfy to me like there's never been any real struggle from you. I know I keep pointing out you and Retro but you just stand out the most to me. Forgive me.
I can understand that. It's just how I play, though. We don't have a lot of activity here so there's not much I have to say, really. If there is information, I like to analyze situations and possibilities, but as of right now, we're all going more on hunches. For that, I usually just chime in my thoughts but don't really post much detail. I guess it's just my playstyle for slower games like this.
I can see the Retro suspicion as well, but as Rats pointed out, Retro was fine voting for LoC pretty early in the game. I doubt he'd do that if he were mafia, unless he has some crazy strats we're not even aware of and he's just on another level.
As for WorthyEdge, he seems like a player that is trying to ride the wave, which is OK. I'm guilty of that myself sometime, but looking back, I really don't see any posts of anything that wasn't filler. If that's just how he plays, no big deal, but I just want to hear more from him. I'm not committed to that vote or anything. After the events of last night all my theories have kind of gut spun around.
I dunno, you just seem too comfy to me like there's never been any real struggle from you. I know I keep pointing out you and Retro but you just stand out the most to me. Forgive me.
In his defense, i will have to say that he has been playing like that the past 2 games and it turned out that he was town after all, i know that does not say much since every game has to Be Seen for itself but time does not strike me as someone with Bad intentions.
(Just want to Start a conversation since we dont have anything to talk about )
Ugh. Why'd you vote me Flame? I want to know. Because I voted for you yesterday or because you want to hear more from me? If its the latter I feel that's an okay reason to vote for me right now strictly because even if you vote for Vylash then you guys doubt you would get anything from him because he's mostly inactive. Makes sense, it really does and I agree that it should be like this.
First Ill tell you why i dont really post much: I jumped in a little less than half the way into this game of Mafia so some of the things presented and the little nuances with some of the roles and items are kind of confusing. It also stinks when you don't really have enough time to go back and read through EVERYTHING beforehand, so that's my fault.
Impressions on some people:
Flame: I honestly can't get a good read on you. Yesterday you seemed like the right choice to vote because of what you said about Coppanuva. Today, seeing Coppanuva's role I should've believed you BUT it was my thought and my own action to vote you so I don't regret that action. It's different when you just jump on a bandwagon and then it ends up bad for you. I say this because I was the only one to vote for you lol. Do I think I should've voted for you? No. Do I regret the action? No, because its what I thought at the time. I don't think your a Cultist anymore which is good so no more votes on you.
Nin: I am starting to think you could be a Cultist based on not what you've said but how you've played. Funny thing is its not that different from mine. I feel like you post just the right amount to get by and some of its filler and some of it is decent contribution. I don't exactly know how I feel but I feel like you're trying to hard to fit in with the Tourists. To mix things up I'm going to give you this:
VOTE: Nin1000
Timeasis: he plays this comfortably all the time and most of it he's town. Obviously to go by that it's a bit premature but what else do we have really? He's Tourist as of now in my head anyways.
Me: I feel like if I was a Cultist I would have to know this was coming for you guys to put my head on the chopping block to get information and so that would've been to risky to keep my post count so low. Therefore, I would do exactly what Nin is doing, and thats why I voted him.
if everyone's so curious as to what being insane entails, I'm more than willing to use the book tonight so I'll be insane Day 5 and we can all learn about it that way
Hyperactivity,which players stick out to you as being most suspicious rn? I want to hear what the fresh eyes think. There's still one Cultist who's been rotten since the start lurking here so I'm curious about your perspective as to who it's most likely to be.
Asides from one or two players who trust somewhat more (will decline to give names, I don't believe in helping me people sneak by unharrased), I'm generally suspicious. There are about 3-4 players I'm not getting a read from (again, I want to see what they are like without suspicion for now, might throw some later if I don't see them posting much or am still not getting a read), and I want to hear more from nin1000
nin1000
I'm pretty sure you're hiding something, and I want you to speak up.
Oh, and sorry for posting a bunch and than not dong anything for most of yesterday. Was really busy yesterday and collapsed when I finally got home
Flame_AC- Me o_o u
GreatCharleston- A low key poster. On my suspect list.
Lone_Prodigy-I originally thought this was new player jitters, and it still might be, but with every post he's digging that hole to China. Might be our best D1 choice.
Rats Off To Ya- Seems town.
Neuromancer- Cleaned up his act. Has turned around but needs to be watched just in case
Fireblend- A curious case. Dips in activity. Reading neutral.
Sorian- Too active not to be town.
Droplet- Could go eith way, not enough info.
Never Forever- Every post seems to be aimed at improving the town. Town alligned
ultron87- Leading scum. Questionable posts and actions.Still has a vote on me to reveal a townies role.
MattAttack- Not doing enough to stick out. Could be scum or neutral.
Tucah- Not enough for a read.
Timeaisis- Not enough for a read.
Darryl- Blunt and to the point, but doing a lot of protown things. Town.
Coppanuva- Questionable posts and actions. Scum. That whole affair with the list leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
RetroMG- Alot of filler, but ultimately I'm leaning town.
OceanicAir- Leaning scum but low activity.
Blargonaut- Town or Neutral.
nin1000- Leaning scum. A lot of nothing coming from you still.
Vylash- Low activity.
Obviously, with what we know now, Tucah, Fireblend, Darryl and Coppa were Town. Blarg and Matt were neutrals with their own win conditions, but they were still non-Mafia. We don't know what Sorian and Neuro were, but bearing in mind the fact that LoC rolled both L_P and Neuro into his 'new player' defence, I'm guessing that Neuro was town. If Sorian wasn't town, I'll eat my record collection.
L_P was one of LoC's mafia partners, which is why he begins to gently distance himself here by withdrawing his old defence and saying hmmm maybe new player jitters but hey I'm not going to link myself too closely just in case it all goes south and we need to bus him
I would also question whether he would be calling any of his scum partners definitively Town, or leaning towards scum/no reads from them jic. Darryl is a weird case because from Cult perspective at that point Darryl was Town and they probably didn't know he would change if picked on. What's probably also noteworthy is that he says that ROTY and RetroMG 'seem'/'lean' Town, so maybe that's not quite so definitive and he could be disguising a scumpartner there, but idk
People who he called scummy/no reads who are still left in the game:
GreatCharleston, Droplet, ultron87, Timeaisis, ultron87, nin1000
I think that GC is Town but the rest are more questionable from my perspective.
Considering that he paired off Neuro and L_P in order to give his 'new player' defence, I wonder if he's pairing a Tourist with a Cultist here so he can make it look a certain way jic things go south when Nin flips Cult later. Cultist, moi? I've been suspicious of that guy all along.
Bearing this in mind and combined with my previous case, plus the fact that we have no better candidates at this time (also bearing in mind that thinking somebody is nice is not a reason not to lynch them)
Ugh. Why'd you vote me Flame? I want to know. Because I voted for you yesterday or because you want to hear more from me? If its the latter I feel that's an okay reason to vote for me right now strictly because even if you vote for Vylash then you guys doubt you would get anything from him because he's mostly inactive. Makes sense, it really does and I agree that it should be like this.
First Ill tell you why i dont really post much: I jumped in a little less than half the way into this game of Mafia so some of the things presented and the little nuances with some of the roles and items are kind of confusing. It also stinks when you don't really have enough time to go back and read through EVERYTHING beforehand, so that's my fault.
Sorry but we have someone like hyperactivity who came in even later and he contributed a lot more than you did and since blarg died the game came to pretty much a halt, so not so much to read through there. You excuse is not viable for me then.
Flame: I honestly can't get a good read on you. Yesterday you seemed like the right choice to vote because of what you said about Coppanuva. Today, seeing Coppanuva's role I should've believed you BUT it was my thought and my own action to vote you so I don't regret that action. It's different when you just jump on a bandwagon and then it ends up bad for you. I say this because I was the only one to vote for you lol. Do I think I should've voted for you? No. Do I regret the action? No, because its what I thought at the time. I don't think your a Cultist anymore which is good so no more votes on you.
Nin: I am starting to think you could be a Cultist based on not what you've said but how you've played. Funny thing is its not that different from mine. I feel like you post just the right amount to get by and some of its filler and some of it is decent contribution. I don't exactly know how I feel but I feel like you're trying to hard to fit in with the Tourists.
I dont agree there since i reacted to neuromancer calling me out and saying i am a player who only reacts and does not give town any information. I gave the town the information about the item. The only thing i was hiding was the info that i had it but i gave it away for the sake of town even though it could have very much meant my death.
I was and i am still thinking for the sake of town. I dont try to fit in since not everyone is the same even though we are on the same team.
I even understand this
Since its a basic move. Put pressure on another player that several people find "scummy" and save yourself. Sorry but I will not fall for that Twe.
I at least tried to do something for town, you on the other hand did not much but try compare yourself to me. Not going to happen mate
Like i said on my earlier post, the only thing i was hiding was the book and since we did not get any information on the last day i just spoke up and shared the information i had with the town. I dont have anything more to hide at this stage of the game.
Since its a basic move. Put pressure on another player that several people find "scummy" and save yourself. Sorry but I will not fall for that Twe.
I at least tried to do something for town, you on the other hand did not much but try compare yourself to me. Not going to happen mate
Like i said on my earlier post, the only thing i was hiding was the book and since we did not get any information on the last day i just spoke up and shared the information i had with the town. I dont have anything more to hide at this stage of the game.
It's one of the centerpieces of the game. Gives people certain ablities at the cost of becoming insane. Neuro/Sorian used it on the other to wipe them both out of the game.
It's one of the centerpieces of the game. Gives people certain ablities at the cost of becoming insane. Neuro/Sorian used it on the other to wipe them both out of the game.
Like i said on my earlier post, the only thing i was hiding was the book and since we did not get any information on the last day i just spoke up and shared the information i had with the town. I dont have anything more to hide at this stage of the game.
Okay. First of all why would you even hide the book? Strange. Second of all, wouldn't hiding the book (box, whatever) be pro Cultist? Sorry if I'm missing something but this is weird.
Okay. First of all why would you even hide the book? Strange. Second of all, wouldn't hiding the book (box, whatever) be pro Cultist? Sorry if I'm missing something but this is weird.
The last 2 posts just hardends my vote in you. Not for being cultis but for being a player who does not even care to read through posts and not even contributing. You are just swimming along and not really giving a dann.
Ah, okay that makes sense...? Kind of. My biggest question is can Cultists get the book? Is it an item that the player who gets it is chosen through RNG or is it passed along in an order that was set?
Conserning the Cube thing, it is actually a book and 5 things can be done with it.
I wanted to wait to claim it since i did not want to draw any more attention to me than i actually did by being inactive but well. There are some infos that we as town need to know so here it comes !
You didn't want to draw anymore attention to yourself for being inactive by claiming that you have the box (cube)-oh wait its not a box anymore it's a book.
Thanks for th' information, but you'd be better off revealin' that info sooner rather than later. If th' book is indeed an anti-cult item, ya might end up bein' bumped off early to prevent you from divulgin' information unless you ante up and put it all on the table.
BOOM. The ammunition I needed. This post makes sense. Why wouldn't you reveal this books atteibutes? So that the cult doesn't know what it is, but that would ring alarms in the Cults head that "HOLY SHIT. He has something that could potentially harm us! Vote him off." So why are you so confident in not allowing any of us Tourists know exactly what this is to try and help?
Thats the thing , on the one side i just want to reveal all of it right now and just let it be there for everyone. On the other side i dont know what the cult could do with this info.
We know from the last night that the book can also be used to erase somebody from existence so there's that 2 out of 5
So now everyone has posted right? And nobody has some kind of tell-tale sign that they're insane?
I have three thoughts now:
1) Cultists recruited an insane tourist last night (worst option).
2) Cultists targeted a night-immune role and therefore failed to kill anyone.
3) Insanity is not a visible affliction and the target either doesn't know they're insane or isn't willing to say they are.
I'm hoping that it's 2, maybe the cultists targeted the serial killer and they didn't get the kill. I don't think it was a role block or other PR antics, because almost anything else I can think of would probably still have resulted in two kills last night.
Sorry! I start school again today so I've been a bit busy. I can't give you a detailed post, but I think he was trying to imitate the reads list of the other players, saying that Rats and Sorian were town, most everyone is no reads, and Neuro and LP are new. In reality, many of us are new and had newbie jitters, so there's not really a particularly reason we should have given them a pass for it.
Uh...I don't know, are you looking for a defense post? I was the first to call out L_P and he did say he found me suspicious later on. Given that nobody knew he was going to die that night, that would have been some crazy metagaming on our part.
BOOM. The ammunition I needed. This post makes sense. Why wouldn't you reveal this books atteibutes? So that the cult doesn't know what it is, but that would ring alarms in the Cults head that "HOLY SHIT. He has something that could potentially harm us! Vote him off." So why are you so confident in not allowing any of us Tourists know exactly what this is to try and help?
The Cultists wont be able to do anything with this info if EVERYONE has knowledge about it. The Tourists would be just as dangerous in that regards.
We spent a good amount of time debating what people should do with the time cube/book early on in the game. In general, our consensus at the beginning (without knowing what insanity did), was that those who had it should not reveal before it left them. After we found out insane tourists could be recruited, we doubled down on that, until Zatoth told us that only those who were insane before they came to the island could be recruited. That's why now nin and NF have revealed that they had it.
Ah, okay that makes sense...? Kind of. My biggest question is can Cultists get the book? Is it an item that the player who gets it is chosen through RNG or is it passed along in an order that was set?
The current assumption is that active cultists cannot get the book. It gets passed from person to person through means outside of player control. (Probably RNG, but we can't be sure.)
The assumption that the cult can't get the book is part of why the abilities are being kept secret - because otherwise, a cultist could claim the book and we'd have no way to prove otherwise.
BUT I just realized a potential land mine with this strategy. If we assume that only townies can get the book, then we assume that Darryl, Nin1000, and NeverForever are town. Great, wonderful. Except that we know that potential recruits can have the book. (Darryl was an insane tourist.) So it is entirely possible that if Nin or NF were also insane tourists, that they could now be cult and rely on the book to claim innocense.
TLR - The book might be able to tell us someone who is not cult on a given day, but that doesn't mean they are above suspicion.
The assumption that the cult can't get the book is part of why the abilities are being kept secret - because otherwise, a cultist could claim to have the book and we'd have no way to prove otherwise.
The current assumption is that active cultists cannot get the book. It gets passed from person to person through means outside of player control. (Probably RNG, but we can't be sure.)
The assumption that the cult can't get the book is part of why the abilities are being kept secret - because otherwise, a cultist could claim the book and we'd have no way to prove otherwise.
BUT I just realized a potential land mine with this strategy. If we assume that only townies can get the book, then we assume that Darryl, Nin1000, and NeverForever are town. Great, wonderful. Except that we know that potential recruits can have the book. (Darryl was an insane tourist.) So it is entirely possible that if Nin or NF were also insane tourists, that they could now be cult and rely on the book to claim innocense.
TLR - The book might be able to tell us someone who is not cult on a given day, but that doesn't mean they are above suspicion.
It's a pretty big assumption, in my opinion. For all we know the cultists could already know who gets the book to begin with. It turns people insane, after all. They might have an ability to use it against us after a certain number of uses or something. The fact that it erased two of our players on the first day so we need to tread carefully with the book.
For now, I don't think it hurts to claim you've got the book, as long as your not afraid of letting the cultists know (they are likely going to start killing of book wielders and I'm honestly surprised nin didn't go last night). We can use it to direct our suspicions elsewhere for now, but I don't think getting the book confirms someone as town at all. It's like making a bunch of arguments based on two unknown assumptions (1. nin is town 2. everyone who gets the book is town). Useful for directing discussion for sure, but dangerous to assume everyone having to do with the book is a good guy. I honestly doubt that is the case.
I've also been unsure of whether or not Cultists can get the book, but I didn't feel like it was a theory worth testing while we knew we had at least one other Cultist out there. Now that LoC is dead, we have quite a bit more time to experiment. So in the name of science:
VOTE: nin1000
You're the shadiest recipient of the book we've had so far, and while I'm inclined to believe that fact alone makes you a Tourist, it wouldn't be smart to take anything for granted.
Like i said on my earlier post, the only thing i was hiding was the book and since we did not get any information on the last day i just spoke up and shared the information i had with the town. I dont have anything more to hide at this stage of the game.
The current assumption is that active cultists cannot get the book. It gets passed from person to person through means outside of player control. (Probably RNG, but we can't be sure.)
The assumption that the cult can't get the book is part of why the abilities are being kept secret - because otherwise, a cultist could claim the book and we'd have no way to prove otherwise.
BUT I just realized a potential land mine with this strategy. If we assume that only townies can get the book, then we assume that Darryl, Nin1000, and NeverForever are town. Great, wonderful. Except that we know that potential recruits can have the book. (Darryl was an insane tourist.) So it is entirely possible that if Nin or NF were also insane tourists, that they could now be cult and rely on the book to claim innocense.
TLR - The book might be able to tell us someone who is not cult on a given day, but that doesn't mean they are above suspicion.
So then what would make you feel like Nin was actually telling the truth about the book? How many people have talked about this book as a box and actually have had it up until Nin got it? If we even slightly suspect Nin of being a Cultist and have this assumption then what makes us believe what he said?
So then what would make you feel like Nin was actually telling the truth about the book? How many people have talked about this book as a box and actually have had it up until Nin got it? If we even slightly suspect Nin of being a Cultist and have this assumption then what makes us believe what he said?
It got called a cube first when Darryl first mentioned it, by Blargonaut calling it a Soul Cube. This then got changed to Time Cube, which just caught on.
Sorry! I start school again today so I've been a bit busy. I can't give you a detailed post, but I think he was trying to imitate the reads list of the other players, saying that Rats and Sorian were town, most everyone is no reads, and Neuro and LP are new. In reality, many of us are new and had newbie jitters, so there's not really a particularly reason we should have given them a pass for it.
Uh...I don't know, are you looking for a defense post? I was the first to call out L_P and he did say he found me suspicious later on. Given that nobody knew he was going to die that night, that would have been some crazy metagaming on our part.
1. Send a short message
2. Protect someone from being targeted
3. ???
4. Vote will count twice during the next day phase
5. Erase someone from the game
You will definitely turn insane on the Night you choose to use the book. (nobody knows what turning insane means)
You may die upon using the book if certain conditions are met
You do not have to use it and it moves to someone else at the start of the next Day phase
do you have any more questions about it or anything else?
So with our suspicions, for those that think Nin is a Cultist, wouldn't that mean that Cultists could get the Cube? Let's put that into consideration. What if Nin is a Cultist with the Cube? Then what?
So with our suspicions, for those that think Nin is a Cultist, wouldn't that mean that Cultists could get the Cube? Let's put that into consideration. What if Nin is a Cultist with the Cube? Then what?
The thing is , it has been like that the last days. We go about players who seem fishy because of reasons. Only because i got mentioned by LoC makes me a target.
I can understand that it is the easiest way to go after me since there is nothing else to go about but hell its lazy.
The thing is , it has been like that the last days. We go about players who seem fishy because of reasons. Only because i got mentioned by LoC makes me a target.
I can understand that it is the easiest way to go after me since there is nothing else to go about but hell its lazy.
