A dog isn't a weapon. It's a living being. It's no human either, to be clear. But you can't just equate it to guns. The primary function of a gun is to hurt, to kill, while this isn't a task a pet usually has.
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Out of control pit bulls attack man.
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HarlequinDaze
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No matter how well you train them, they are still way more likely to bite than other breeds! You're no longer allowed to breed them in Australia, 0 Dogs harmed and a huge lessening of risk. It's like saying if you tiptoe around the land mine, it may not go off, why not just remove the landmines?
HarlequinDaze
Neo Member
It's a fact. It is a hunting breed. How is that ignorance? What is your evidence to refute this?
Square Triangle
Member
As a pit bull owner myself that was terrifying to see. I hope all those involved have a speedy recovering and the woman spends plenty of time in jail.
Never mind, according to GAF- I'm just some punk with a chip on my shoulder and I want to be cool for owning one. So "yeah society and that guy?"
Never mind, according to GAF- I'm just some punk with a chip on my shoulder and I want to be cool for owning one. So "yeah society and that guy?"
LookAtMeGo
Member
Actually cocker spaniels are much more likely to bite than a Pitbull, as are Jack Russells.
Just to name a few.
Shiba Inus were bread to hunt rodents and other small animals. I guess mine is a ticking time bomb.
HarlequinDaze
Neo Member
That's misinformation, it's like saying you're more likely to be punched than shot, being shot is a hell of a lot worse. Your point is still invalid, and not backed up with an appropriate source... Just because "something is worse" which it is not, doesn't make the first bad thing less bad.
Glad the guy's okay. Good on those neighbors.
In high school PE somebody threw a frisby over the fence into someone's yard and the teacher instructed me to hop over and get it. There were a pair of pit bulls in that yard. I made it back over the fence (with the frisby), but I lost my right sock and shoe. That was irresponsible of the teacher.
I'm not a fan of passing law to neuter an entire breed, but there's enough evidence out there to say with identified pits, rotts, and shepards people need to meet some requirements before they're allowed to adopt.
In high school PE somebody threw a frisby over the fence into someone's yard and the teacher instructed me to hop over and get it. There were a pair of pit bulls in that yard. I made it back over the fence (with the frisby), but I lost my right sock and shoe. That was irresponsible of the teacher.
I'm not a fan of passing law to neuter an entire breed, but there's enough evidence out there to say with identified pits, rotts, and shepards people need to meet some requirements before they're allowed to adopt.
Square Triangle
Member
Pit Bulls aren't hunting dogs, cross genetic breeding is from assholes humans looking to make a quick buck. So yeah, it's not a fact.
DontBeThatGuy
Member
Cesar Milan is really into Pitbulls, and that dude knows Dogs. So, there's that.
BlitzerRadic
Member
IMO laws should be passed that make it illegal to possess any dangerous breed dog unless registered and the owner has at least 1m liability insurance to cover any injuries caused by the dog. Pretty sure the rates from insurers will significantly deter irresponsible owners from acquiring dangerous breeds without having to ban them outright.
HarlequinDaze
Neo Member
How is this relevant? It's not about "this is worse" firstly, that breeding hasn't caused an issue, and secondly, that doesn't make pitbulls safe.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Right and what is this (poor) abused dog going to do to you?
Nip at your calves? Maybe bite your hand if you try to pet it? Who knows you might even need a stitch if it really goes batshit insane on you
At least it was still safe for you to enter a room with it
And as soon as you'd raise your voice it would run off with its tail between its legs because that is what this overly submissive and cowardly breed does.
We've had 3 of these and while I loved my dogs they're the biggest pussies I've ever seen. Dog did not know what a newspaper or foot was for other than for getting pets with them, but would be intimidated by a leaf (seriously, by a leaf, also by a fly)
Our last one liked to chase a particular bird around the yard until the time the bird did not fly away and she stopped like scoobie doo and bolted inside.
These dogs are no threat to anyone, they 're physically frail and a mix between gentle, very sensitive delicate flower and huge submissive coward by nature
You can neglect, abuse or train this breed all you want but you cannot turn it into a killer or any kind of danger to anyone.
Well it depends,are you a hamster? If yes, run!
Stop posting, don't look back, just run.
LookAtMeGo
Member
What? You said pit bull, no matter how well they are trained, are way more likely to bite than any other breed. That is just plain false and you also provided no back up source. But keep on going on your crusade.
HarlequinDaze
Neo Member
Still a fact...they did that to produce fighting dogs, that was the reason they chose the traits they did, in an attempt to make a vicious dog.
LookAtMeGo
Member
Pit bulls have lower aggression towards humans than a lot of other breeds as well.
LostCaress
Member
Aggression between species is not the same as aggression to other species. You could train a dog to be extremely aggressive towards other dogs and extremely docile towards humans.
HarlequinDaze
Neo Member
Says the person with no source for their information? I didn't say "pit bulls are the most likely to bite" if I had, you would be correct in calling me out. They are more likely than most breeds, and more importantly more dangerous. You're caught up on semantics, they are a severely dangerous breed, full stop. That's the point here.
They are popular with assholes because they are asshole dogs. I think they go hand in hand.
HarlequinDaze
Neo Member
I love how well you site your statements, I have not once given a concrete stat, yet you're spouting them without source. Ignoring all this, WHY do you believe we shouldn't just stop breeding and prevent this risk?
LookAtMeGo
Member
Here
http://www.dogguide.net/blog/2008/07/the-3-most-aggressive-dog-breeds-revealed-pit-bulls-rottweilers-youll-be-surprised/
Because pit bulls are magestic animals and I love and own them and they are not the demon dogs people make them out to be.
Wolfe
Member
Fact, you're not providing any sources either, so go full stop yourself.
There is a great post with relevant info I quoted earlier in the post, feel free to go check that out.
Terra Firma
Banned
This breed needs to be destroyed and/or removed from all human contact. We don't keep pet hyenas, why keep other vicious breeds of dogs?
And all those anecdotes about them being angels or whatever: people have kept pet tigers and other vicious animals but that doesn't mean that tigers should be kept as pets. Furthermore, the fact that dogs have pretty much free contact with humans that are not their owners makes the likelihood of vicious attacks on humans much more frequent than by other exotic pets. It's safe to say that it is safer to keep a tiger as a pet than this vicious breed.
And all those anecdotes about them being angels or whatever: people have kept pet tigers and other vicious animals but that doesn't mean that tigers should be kept as pets. Furthermore, the fact that dogs have pretty much free contact with humans that are not their owners makes the likelihood of vicious attacks on humans much more frequent than by other exotic pets. It's safe to say that it is safer to keep a tiger as a pet than this vicious breed.
Square Triangle
Member
I know not every situation is the same but I work in Pest Control- I see dogs every day. Some that I see regularly and some I have never seen before. I've only been bitten by two dogs- a Jack Russell Terrior and a miniature Doberman pinscher
HarlequinDaze
Neo Member
It's not all dogs, and they do have other functions. However there are huge numbers of far safer breeds, so why do you need one that can be used as a weapon?
Actually Cesar Millan is a fraud and his methods have been proven to be utterly wrong multiple times.
HarlequinDaze
Neo Member
I'm out, I'm done. You're somebody who wants to believe what they like and will look at any random site to support themselves. Sorry to all the children mauled and hurt by this breed, some people think they're magjestic, so they stay!
Wolfe
Member
What? Hyenas are wild animals, much like the example you make of people owning tigers, owning a hyena is just a ridiculous.
What a load of bullshit. Sorry to all the children mauled and hurt by ANY dog breed, your argument is weak.
Square Triangle
Member
All dogs can bite. No dog should be trusted alone around children. People with bad intentions see an opportunity, that doesn't mean I wouldn't rescue again to save a life.
You're on some mad agenda here dude.
Oh the irony.
Right and what is this (poor) abused dog going to do to you?
Nip at your calves? Maybe bite your hand if you try to pet it? Who knows you might even need a stitch if it really goes batshit insane on you
At least it was still safe for you to enter a room with it
And as soon as you'd raise your voice it would run off with its tail between its legs because that is what this overly submissive and cowardly breed does.
We've had 3 of these and while I loved my dogs they're the biggest pussies I've ever seen. Dog did not know what a newspaper or foot was for other than for getting pets with them, but would be intimidated by a leaf (seriously, by a leaf, also by a fly)
Our last one liked to chase a particular bird around the yard until the time the bird did not fly away and she stopped like scoobie doo and bolted inside.
These dogs are no threat to anyone, they 're physically frail and a mix between gentle, very sensitive delicate flower and huge submissive coward by nature
You can neglect, abuse or train this breed all you want but you cannot turn it into a killer or any kind of danger to anyone.
Well it depends,are you a hamster? If yes, run!
Stop posting, don't look back, just run.
I hate when people try to equate a small dog bite to a mosquito bite. It's usually people that have never been bitten. "Oh he can't do anything to you lol." As someone that's been bitten by small dogs, I can tell you that it fucking hurts. Sure it's not going to be a fatal bite, but still, it's not a pleasant experience.
I am absolutely astounded by the posts that call for the extermination of a breed of dog like this. It's absolutely ridiculous that bad owners let dogs attack someone, and suddenly the whole breed needs to be put down.
You make absolutely no sense. Any dog with a bad owner has the potential to get violent like all these "pit bulls" do. This isn't an argument about guns, these are living domesticated dogs, just like many people probably have right by their chairs as they read this thread.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
I had an Alaskan husky it bit me, and two other people.
I had a Pitbull, it never bit me, or even showed the slightest bit of aggression towards me.
Pitbulls are definitely misunderstood. The ones not raised correctly give a bad name to the ones that are.
I had a Pitbull, it never bit me, or even showed the slightest bit of aggression towards me.
Pitbulls are definitely misunderstood. The ones not raised correctly give a bad name to the ones that are.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Dobermans are guard dogs and I think they're as scary as pittbuls (and more scary than rottweilers)
So being bitten by a mix one is no surprise.
Jack russels are agressive little shits, thankfully they're too small to do any real damage.
If they were as big and powerful as pitbulls they might be up there in the stats too
Ofcourse it hurts.
Still doesn't equate bleeding like a pig on the street, getting huge chunks ripped off of your body and getting permanent nerve damage does it?
A cavalier would also 100 percent guaranteed not latch on to you and shake you like a crocodile shakes its prey like those pitbulls did.
And no I've never been bitten in 30 years of interacting with countless dogs, no real bites at least, plenty of slap on the wrist warning nips by various dogs as a kid for playing too rough (almost made a ruff joke)
I have definitely never been attacked. I've never had a bad experience with any dog so I don't fear dogs, I still know better than to mess with guard dogs or fighting dogs though.That's also a big distinction, most dog bites are not a dog going into kill mode (trying to maul and murder you), just the dog telling you to piss off ,warning bites rarely even break the skin... probably why pitbulls end up in the news a lot because they seem to go into kill mode unlike other breeds.
The only dog I've seen go into kill mode irl was a beaucheron/doberman mix, some client at my grandparents' bussiness leaned on their fence and the dog grabbed the dude from the other side of the fence and went apeshit on him. They had to pull the dog away and take the guy to the hospital. Dog was put down thankfully. Can't believe they used to let me in the yard with that thing, it was always super dominant to me and I never trusted it. Could've very well been me getting mauled instead of that client.
blainethemono
Member
yeah, that stuff is actually highly insulting and ignorant
do people really believe the millions of these dogs that exist are only owned by scumbags and felons
http://themajorityproject.com/
also it's super fucked up that seemingly a scary amount of people would be perfectly fine with police stopping me on the street and taking my dog away to be killed, based entirely on what she looks like, and not because she did anything to deserve it
like this https://youtu.be/KHwe4gt8LV8
lol this thread is amazing
you really can't see the difference between a domesticated pet like a dog and a wild animal like a tiger?
people who are afraid of dogs spout so much non-sense it's hilarious
Square Triangle
Member
I'm actually more worried about a house when they have small dogs. Large dogs aren't a concern to me outside of a rescue pit that I see. She is super scared of everything and that can be a cause of concern.
LookAtMeGo
Member
I'm sorry but that's an actual study. Where are you getting your information? Pulling up a an actual study as a source is better than talking from my ass which you seem pretty good at.
Of course pitbulls can be a dangerous dog. I never said they couldn't be. I was just calling you out on your bullshit.
Children being mauled by pit bulls is horrific and tragic but wiping the breed off the face of the earth is not the solution. These same people will just find another breed that will do the same thing.
DontBeThatGuy
Member
So, he's had zero success training dogs successfully, or the years and years of experience dealing with a vast array of different breeds doesn't amount to anything, regardless of how his methods are perceived? And he's utterly wrong about his own Pitbulls being fantastic animals?
Wolfe
Member
I deeply apologize if this example is insulting to anyone but it really does draw parallels for me reading this thread and the viewpoints expressed with how some people view minorities in this country.
superseohyun
Member
if big dogs only bites their owners when they lose their shit, i personally wont have any problem with them anymore.
Maybe I should have worded myself better, while his methods might work they are not as effective as other more professional methods of dog training.
Dogs don't see their owners as their pack leader like Cesar says, dogs see them as their parents.
Also this http://www.care2.com/causes/why-the-dog-whisperer-has-dog-training-entirely-wrong.html
Even if Pitbulls had a people-biting ratio of 1:1 with all other dogs the fact that not a single owner in this thread could open their pitbulls jaws quick enough to stop it from seriously harming someone is reason enough not to own them. You can't control them. And 'mine hasn't bitten anyone' is exactly what every dog owner said before their dog bit someone.
Wolfe
Member
Then how does this argument not fall on all dog breeds?
I thought this as well.
Because I can open the jaws of nearly every other dog breed out there? I could manhandle my collie and it was a big dog, you ever tried manhandling a pissed off Pitbull?
LookAtMeGo
Member
Another misconception about pit bulls is their bite. Rottys, dobermans, geman Shepard's, cane corsos and kengals all have stronger bites than a pit bull.
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