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Persona 5 delayed to Summer 2016 for PS3/PS4

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FluxWaveZ

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daegan said:
FFXV will expand the potential PS4 base for the game particularly in Japan; while some people would buy the PS4 for P5 if it was exclusive, many WILL buy a PS4 for FFXV and then be willing to look at the PS4 version of the game. Or they might just buy it for the PS3 they already own - especially if FFXV doesn't get positive word-of-mouth. Either way, the audiences overlap quite a bit, but people will open their wallets if the games are good.
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I really think you're underestimating how much of a monolithic entity "Final Fantasy" is compared to "Persona." P5 and FFXV are both big budget JRPGs (with the latter probably having far more budget) on the PS4, and FFXV would easily overshadow Persona 5 if they were released in proximity to each other, no questions asked.

Word of mouth isn't some infallible power. If a game like FFXV was released next to P5, it would encroach on its territory and lessen its sales significantly, no matter how good the game was. A few months separating them won't be that bad, but I think it would still be an issue if FFXV was released before P5, nullifying the P4G effect I described earlier and making P5 less of an outlier.
 
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artsi

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I just know that 2016 will be JRPG heaven with both of my favourite series getting an anticipated sequel. Dayum.
 
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XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
FluxWaveZ said:
I really think you're underestimating how much of a monolithic entity "Final Fantasy" is compared to "Persona." P5 and FFXV are both big budget JRPGs (with the latter probably having far more budget) on the PS4, and FFXV would easily overshadow Persona 5 if they were released in proximity to each other, no questions asked.

Word of mouth isn't some infallible power. If a game like FFXV was released next to P5, it would encroach on its territory and lessen its sales significantly, no matter how good the game was. A few months separating them won't be that bad, but I think it would still be an issue if FFXV was released before P5, nullifying the P4G effect I described earlier and making P5 less of an outlier.
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Atlus has made release window mistakes in the past. Trauma Team being the prime example.
 
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DeSolos

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BriGuy said:
Why the lies about the release date? What did they gain by telling us repeatedly that the game was releasing in 2015?
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I don't think they were lies. I think instead the western branch of Atlus is kept in the complete dark, and they can only go off of what they last heard from the devs in Japan.

They only "doubled down" when people asked them if it was really still coming in 2015. at that point they probably didn't have any new information and if they say "we don't know" then people instantly think "AWW SHIT IT'S DELAYED", when that is an announcement better made by Atlus Japan.

They had to hype P4D, so they were forced into situations where they were talking to journalists who inevitably asked about P5. I don't think there was a good way out for them. This just smacks of game dev secrecy and a lack of communication.
 
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Saikyo

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People wanting the PS3 US version being scrapped lol, its not gonna make the game be released or localized faster and there other markets than US that buy PS3 games.
 
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grandjedi6

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Well duh. You don't go into September without a date for your holiday release. The bigger mystery was why they took so long to admit the obvious.

At least this means everyone will have time to play it next summer
 
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Inuhanyou

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XiaNaphryz said:
Oh I see...is that how you're interpreting this? A stupid platform war thing? Really? Your quick defensiveness about the whole thing says more than anything else. High horse indeed!
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I don't even know what your even talking about frankly. I said it would be awesome to have a P3 and P4 remaster collection for PS4, you said 'well i can play it such and such on my PC, therefore there should not be one'.

So i replied with "what does a remaster i would like to see on PS4 have to do with your PC?" and then it spiraled from there.

So yeah, i have no idea what point your actually making.
 
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cj_iwakura

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Inuhanyou said:
I don't even know what your even talking about frankly. I said it would be awesome to have a P3 and P4 remaster collection for PS4, you said 'well i can play it such and such on my PC, therefore there should not be one'.

So i replied with "what does a remaster i would like to see on PS4 have to do with your PC?" and then it spiraled from there.

So yeah, i have no idea what point your actually making.
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I think at this point the last thing Atlus has time for is remastering.
 
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QuackkAttack

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My guess for US release: October 11th, 2016.

That's wishful thinking as I expect it to release in Japan in late July/early August.

Here's to not playing this game for another year...
 
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XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
cj_iwakura said:
I think at this point the last thing Atlus has time for is remastering.
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Pretty much. There are already multiple alternatives to playing the older games in some fashion. PS2, PS3, PSP, PSV, PC emulators. In terms of HD, you can up-res on PC and to some degree on PS3. Full-on remaster? That's too much of a development effort at this point that would draw away from P5 work.
 
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N30RYU

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Saikyo said:
People wanting the PS3 US version being scrapped lol, its not gonna make the game be released or localized faster and there other markets than US that buy PS3 games.
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I don't think that there is ppl that don't whant an US PS3 version. The ps3 version is gonna be made for japan anyway so will hold back the ps4 version. The question here is if sony in later 2016 want have potencial ps4 consumers hold its PS4 purchase waiting for a PS3 game. It's Atlus and sega call but I'm not sure how profitable for them will be releasing a lastgen version of a game in 2016.
 
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Lady Siara

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Never have I related to Marie as much as I am now.
 
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daegan

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FluxWaveZ said:
I really think you're underestimating how much of a monolithic entity "Final Fantasy" is compared to "Persona." P5 and FFXV are both big budget JRPGs (with the latter probably having far more budget) on the PS4, and FFXV would easily overshadow Persona 5 if they were released in proximity to each other, no questions asked.

Word of mouth isn't some infallible power. If a game like FFXV was released next to P5, it would encroach on its territory and lessen its sales significantly, no matter how good the game was. A few months separating them won't be that bad, but I think it would still be an issue if FFXV was released before P5, nullifying the P4G effect I described earlier and making P5 less of an outlier.
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I'm curious if you have any examples? Most of the genre-similar near launches I can recall of recently haven't had this type of thing happen. The closest one I can think of is a couple years ago with GTA V and AC 4 but it's not a great comparison due to both franchises being bigger than FF. That said - I don't think there is a great comparison launch to these two games because of how they occupy the same genre yet are so different. There are a lot of people who will buy both; there are a lot of people who will buy one who aren't interested in both; and the rest will buy FF because they've seen the name before.

Finally, tbh, I don't see a P4G correlation: there are a ludicrous number of JRPGs due on PS4 by the end of 2016 (of course, not by summer) and while P4G wasn't available anywhere else and outdid expectations given Vita's limited install base, P5 is of course cross-gen so even if Japan doesn't jump on the PS4 train, it should still do alright there.
 
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BlackNova224

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N30RYU said:
I don't think that there is ppl that don't whant an US PS3 version. The ps3 version is gonna be made for japan anyway so will hold back the ps4 version. The question here is if sony in later 2016 want have potencial ps4 consumers hold its PS4 purchase waiting for a PS3 game. It's Atlus and sega call but I'm not sure how profitable for them will be releasing a lastgen version of a game in 2016.
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Again. I am betting that the two versions will barely have any differences. If they put exclusive content in the PS4 version, people will be pissed.
 
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KimonoNoNo

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DeSolos said:
I don't think they were lies. I think instead the western branch of Atlus is kept in the complete dark, and they can only go off of what they last heard from the devs in Japan.

They only "doubled down" when people asked them if it was really still coming in 2015. at that point they probably didn't have any new information and if they say "we don't know" then people instantly think "AWW SHIT IT'S DELAYED", when that is an announcement better made by Atlus Japan.

They had to hype P4D, so they were forced into situations where they were talking to journalists who inevitably asked about P5. I don't think there was a good way out for them. This just smacks of game dev secrecy and a lack of communication.
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Yeah, this seems most plausible.
 
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FluxWaveZ

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daegan said:
I'm curious if you have any examples? Most of the genre-similar near launches I can recall of recently haven't had this type of thing happen. The closest one I can think of is a couple years ago with GTA V and AC 4 but it's not a great comparison due to both franchises being bigger than FF.
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Partially responsible:

01./00. [PS4] Bloodborne # <RPG> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2015.03.26} (¥7.452) - 150.245 / NEW <80-100%>
14./00. [PS4] Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance # <SLG> (Nippon Ichi Software) {2015.03.26} (¥7.776) - 22.872 / NEW <40-60%>
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Disgaea 4: A Promise Unforgotten sold 77,449 at launch, meaning its mainline sequel sold more than 3 times less that of its predecessor. This was in part because they were two PS4 exclusive RPGs releasing on the same day.

daegan said:
That said - I don't think there is a great comparison launch to these two games because of how they occupy the same genre yet are so different. There are a lot of people who will buy both; there are a lot of people who will buy one who aren't interested in both; and the rest will buy FF because they've seen the name before.
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Again, I don't agree about this point that Persona seemingly occupies its own isolated bubble, unaffected by anything else going on in the market. That's not reality, and Persona is affected by such things. Final Fantasy XV being one of the biggest hypothetical examples.

daegan said:
Finally, tbh, I don't see a P4G correlation: there are a ludicrous number of JRPGs due on PS4 by the end of 2016 (of course, not by summer) and while P4G wasn't available anywhere else and outdid expectations given Vita's limited install base, P5 is of course cross-gen so even if Japan doesn't jump on the PS4 train, it should still do alright there.
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There were plenty of JRPGs on the Vita when P4G came out. How many of those were of a high quality? How many of those were of a relatively high budget? That's the point going for the earliest release of Persona 5 right now, before the Square Enix deluge makes that less relevant.
 
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HeelPower

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At least in the case of FFXV,the game is incredibly ambitious and expensive to make so the wait is justified.(and there's been way more HD FF games in between even if you don't like them)

Persona series isnot even that ambitious technically and has fairly modest production values.

Makes no sense why there should be 8 years between persona 4 and 5,with nothing but scraps in between.

It straight up sucks to be a persona fan.Luckily I amnot very invested in the series.They make you wait.

Great games ,but boy they make you waaaaaiiiiiiiiiiit.
 
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wmlk

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ShockingAlberto said:
It is not like FFXV is coming out anywhere close to Persona 5 so this conversation seems really hypothetical.
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Of course it's hypothetical. But this game and its history has warranted that kind of speculation at this point.

It all depends on if P5 is a global release.
 
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Makoto Yuki

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Inuhanyou said:
-shrug- I guess, but it would be nice to see. I never said it was something that was feasible.
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Don't worry Atlus will start pumping out the remakes and remasters Square Enix style once they try to make a movie studio that almost sinks the company while trying to merge with another company simultaneously.
 
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QuackkAttack

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Zukuu said:
Did atlus say anything about this debacle and "2015 in the US. It's fixed."?
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Check the Atlus USA twitter and John Hardin's personal twitter. I'm on mobile so I'm being lazy.

Atlus USA just announced it's coming in 2016 to US. John Hardin acknowledged his mistake by eating crow and basically saying, you can riot at me but this trailer is pretty sweet, eh?

And he said something that kinda irks me. He said the localization team needs something to work on...so I wonder what they've been doing/if they're already done with the localization work.
 
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Perfect Cha0s

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M_Night said:
I can't believe this was once a Winter 2014 game.
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I was thinking about that earlier, too. The delays are pretty understandable given the team's takeover of P4D, and adding another platform to the release list.

Given what we've seen, though, I'm am 100% okay with them taking their time and getting the game out in a state they're happy with.
 
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XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
QuackkAttack said:
And he said something that kinda irks me. He said the localization team needs something to work on...so I wonder what they've been doing/if they're already done with the localization work.
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So either he:

A) knew the localization team wasn't busy and assumed that meant P5 was done and off at SCEA for certification and therefore a 2015 release was still possible

B) he didn't know they weren't busy and just never communicated with them and was just repeating the 2015 line from higher up, or

C) he knew they weren't busy because P5 wasn't far along enough to engage all of their time and thus would have known 2015 was never happening

If anyone at Atlus USA knew whether the game was coming out in 2015, the localization team would. Too many things have to be done by a certain time to make that ship date.
 
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Sakura

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N30RYU said:
I don't think that there is ppl that don't whant an US PS3 version. The ps3 version is gonna be made for japan anyway so will hold back the ps4 version. The question here is if sony in later 2016 want have potencial ps4 consumers hold its PS4 purchase waiting for a PS3 game. It's Atlus and sega call but I'm not sure how profitable for them will be releasing a lastgen version of a game in 2016.
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The game is going to move most of its units on the PS4 in the first place. I don't think it will be an issue.
 
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Zolo

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Perfect Cha0s said:
I was thinking about that earlier, too. The delays are pretty understandable given the team's takeover of P4D, and adding another platform to the release list.

Given what we've seen, though, I'm am 100% okay with them taking their time and getting the game out in a state they're happy with.
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Well, look at it this way. Persona 5 may have gotten delayed, but at least we got another game out of it.
 
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