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[KingBroly]

Looks like I need to write to my congressman.

And your Senators, and your State Legislator.

 

[Newtype-001]

its not over yet
#NeverBeGameOver

 

[Sinople]

This thing must be stopped.
I can't believe something that's going to make worse the life of almost everyone in countries involved was deemed a good idea. Makes you wonder what is the point of democracy.
I'm really disappointed in Obama as I thought he was better than that. And here, of course, Abe and the Jimintou had to agree with it...

 

[ArchedThunder]

The fact that this is the legacy that Obama wants to leave behind almost undoes all the good he's done in my eyes. This is absolutely fucking disgusting.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I mean seriously wtf. Its like they dreamed up the worst kind of terrible laws and challenged each other to trump their dispicable rules.

Why the fuck is Obama agreeing to sign this and why is there less publicc outrage?

Cause there's no TV news corporation who cares to air negative information about it, let alone give it any air time, cause Time Warner is pushing it for example, which owns a majority of the news stations in the US

 

[Jex]

A fine capstone to Obama's legacy.

I hope there is, at least, a small amount of work done in America to oppose this treaty before it inevitably gets pushed through by the corporations who helped to write it.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

someone cared, and made on the correct section :^)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1135394

I don't think they put as much effort into the OP as I did. :3

Putting it in the wrong section by accident also attracted more attention to it. While this wasn't my intent, it definitely worked out as it's rather important.

This thing must be stopped.
I can't believe something that's going to make worse the life of almost everyone in countries involved was deemed a good idea. Makes you wonder what is the point of democracy.
I'm really disappointed in Obama as I thought he was better than that. And here, of course, Abe and the Jimintou had to agree with it...

What's interesting specifically about the case of Japan is the large mobilization of opposition to the IP sections of the treaty.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/...ons-campaign-against-tpp-copyright-provisions

In addition to opposing lengthy copyright terms, the anime and fan-art community are also concerned about the TPP's criminal enforcement provisions. There is a particular section that says that "competent authorities may act upon their own initiative to initiate a legal action without the need for a formal complaint" by the copyright holder. The fear is that this would lead to a major crackdown on derivative works, including written or drawn fan fiction, recorded music covers of songs, or cosplayers, who may upload photos of themselves dressed as characters. These are all elements of Japan's thriving “otaku” culture, which has spread around the world and brought in millions of dollars for Japanese creators. Japan does not have a U.S.-style fair use system, in which there are flexibilities for uses based upon the nature, purpose, amount, and effect of the use on the market for the original copyrighted work. So Japanese fans could be criminally liable for their work if any "competent authority" can claim that a derivative work constitutes criminal copyright infringement. This would have a huge chilling effect on vibrant communities of fan fiction that exist on Japanese websites.

RIP Comiket, doujinshi, cosplay, etc.

 

[-shadow-]

Having read a couple of specific parts it shocks me not only howoad this is written leaving so ridiculous amounts of room for interpretation. But it's weirder how Obama wants this mess as his final legacy as a president. It's outright shocking.

 

[Slayer-33]

Having read a couple of specific parts it shocks me but only how this broad this is written leaving so ridiculous amounts of room for interpretation. It's weirder how Obama wants this mess as his final legacy as a president. It's outright shocking.

Master level political science

 

[Slime]

Lovely:

Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Canada’s prime minister-designate Justin Trudeau agreed to promote the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), both seeing the free-trade deal as beneficial to the region, Japan’s foreign ministry said in a statement.

The two leaders exchanged views on the pact during a 15-minute telephone call on Friday, Japan’s foreign ministry said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...te-trans-pacific-partnership/article27058428/

;_;

 

[Sinople]

What's interesting specifically about the case of Japan is the large mobilization of opposition to the IP sections of the treaty.

RIP Comiket, doujinshi, cosplay, etc.

Yeah, but what is sad is aside from this and agriculture, there's almost no talk about what's arguably more worrying (pharmaceutics, health insurance, environment, etc.).

 

[narton]

Lovely:



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...te-trans-pacific-partnership/article27058428/

;_;

Yep, we've lost. Fuck this world. I don't think there's anything that will make me happy anymore.

 

[squall23]

Lovely:



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...te-trans-pacific-partnership/article27058428/

;_;

Is Trudeau's "honeymoon" over that quickly? lol

 

[Orkidea]

Don't leave like this Obama...

 

[Slime]

Is Trudeau's "honeymoon" over that quickly? lol

His Minister of Finance is a Bay Street big shot type who chaired a conservative think tank which prides itself on "The development of continental free trade" and "Lower and more competitive tax rates," so it was inevitable.

 

[Condom]

The existence labour movements will make this live or die, if TTIP gets forced on European workers we'll burn the shit down. I'm less optimistic about the possible reaction of the timid US labour force.

350 million people should have giant protests against this stuff normally but alas.

 

[Totori]

Mm, here's a petition to at least getting something done to prevent it, also please share through the media and gain attention~

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-2

 

[Foffy]

I mean seriously wtf. Its like they dreamed up the worst kind of terrible laws and challenged each other to trump their dispicable rules.

Why the fuck is Obama agreeing to sign this and why is there less publicc outrage?

Obama is quite literally politicizing this as a trade agreement that will guarantee better jobs for Americans.

I'm quite sure if that were so, he'd want to specify what provisions allow this, no? He has yet to state a specific provision from the TPP that matches his spin about it.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Obama is quite literally politicizing this as a trade agreement that will guarantee better jobs for Americans.

I'm quite sure if that were so, he'd want to specify what provisions allow this, no? He has yet to state a specific provision from the TPP that matches his spin about it.

This is what the Brookings Insitution has evaluated.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/testimony/2012/05/16-us-trade-strategy-meltzer

I'm doing my own research on the matter since the OP seems to be constructed to persuade rather than inform. I'll post more of what I find but, like most deals, it seems to be a mix of some shitty parts but also some genuinely positive economic measures. Haven't decided for myself if it's ultimately good or bad yet.

 

[weekev]

Obama is quite literally politicizing this as a trade agreement that will guarantee better jobs for Americans.

I'm quite sure if that were so, he'd want to specify what provisions allow this, no? He has yet to state a specific provision from the TPP that matches his spin about it.

Yeah seems like a nice idea but the agreement doesnt meet this utopian ideal does it?

It basically says, "big corporations own you, and you can do fuck all about it"

 

[Hamlet Machine]

It basically says, "big corporations own you, and you can do fuck all about it"

Well, it's already the case (to a certain extent), isn't it ?
It's just extending that 'certain extent'...

I'm seeing the TPP (or TAFTA) as a logical step in the evolution of capitalism...

 

[DiscoJer]

Well, it's already the case (to a certain extent), isn't it ?
It's just extending that 'certain extent'...

I'm seeing the TPP (or TAFTA) as a logical step in the evolution of capitalism...

It's not capitalism, it's corporatism and it's been around for a long time.

 

[Mr. RHC]

Well, it's already the case (to a certain extent), isn't it? It's just extending that 'certain extent'...

I'm seeing the TPP (or TAFTA) as a logical step in the evolution of capitalism...

Any questions?

 

[jerry1594]

The existence labour movements will make this live or die, if TTIP gets forced on European workers we'll burn the shit down. I'm less optimistic about the possible reaction of the timid US labour force.

350 million people should have giant protests against this stuff normally but alas.

Here people would rather keep telling everyone below them to man up until they start shaving years off their life expectancies themselves.

 

[Zaptruder]

Show me an ad campaign designed by a computer then, because I can't find anything on Google.

https://thegrid.io/

 

[CadetMahoney]

just another example of laws passing and nothing can be done to stop them.

 

[Evilisk]

We're screwed aren't we? Geez. What a time to be alive.

The IP parts are particularly fucked up (to me). I mean, if I read a certain bit correctly, fans can get sued even if the actual copyright holder isn't bothered by it. That's load of goddamn horse shit. Like what the fuck

I'm not even that much of a social media person, even I'm starting to want to get on Facebook and spread this.

Gaming related:

In addition to formally criminalizing circumvention of DRM (same as in DMCA), rights to distribute content will be codified into law as falling exclusively to the copyright owner. Don't forget that copyright now lasts lifetime + 70 years.

So uh, good luck with preservation of old games which have been abandoned by the original publisher. It will become a criminal act to hold and distribute even abandoned old games so long as they remain under copyright and the original holder of copyright can declare cease-and-desist or sue to prevent old IP they aren't even distributing themselves from being distributed by someone else.

Is there any more that's gaming related? I would totally be okay with a Gaming version of this thread with more relevant stuff to games.

 

[RpgN]

To the people who took the time to answer my questions about the TPP, thank you.

I've read about this before on the Dutch media...it was presented as a very positive agreement for trade with none of the finer details mentioned.

It disgusts me that such laws can be made and passed in America. I've always hated this corporation and rich people first mentality, and how it's being brought over to other countries.

What also depresses me is that politics/companies always push what they want, even if the public clearly doesn't want it, they will try again through other ways after a while.

I don't believe there is a true democracy in the west...they're just very indirect and sneaky about how things are governed. Only when enough people push for it...it will delay things...

Sorry for feeling negative. It doesn't mean that I don't believe in taking actions. Thanks for all your efforts. Keep on fighting.

 

[Eidan]

I mean seriously wtf. Its like they dreamed up the worst kind of terrible laws and challenged each other to trump their dispicable rules.

Why the fuck is Obama agreeing to sign this and why is there less publicc outrage?

Americans don't understand trade agreements.

 

[Setsuna]

What I get form this thread is a bunch of people complaining about something they don't understand. Not because they think its bad because they were told its bad.

 

[Mr. RHC]

What I get form this thread is a bunch of people complaining about something they don't understand. Not because they think its bad because they were told its bad.

Why? Actually, I was told it was a good deal.

Hell, the MPAA likes the deal, I like movies. Can't be that bad.

 

[Dead Man]

Australia is so fukt and our fucking government isn't going to do shit about it. Malcolm fucking Turnbull and his shit sandwich smile. Sure you got the medical provisions in but we're still going to get our asses sued off by big pharma cos the market exclusivity provisions are still in.

Pretty much. :/

 

[RpgN]

Oh...it's moved to the off-topic section.

 

[narton]

Oh...it's moved to the off-topic section.

Yep, where it will be buried and ignored further.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Why? Actually, I was told it was a good deal.

Hell, the MPAA likes the deal, I like movies. Can't be that bad.

The tone of the OP is disappointing to say the least. I don't see how anyone can make an informed decision with the information put up there. Singling out the MPAA is cool and all. Who else supports it? What economic analysis has there been about it other than that one comic?

The wikipedia article seems to offer a more balanced view.

 

[dramatis]

There is some incredible amount of fearmongering in here from people who haven't read the agreement. That sure bodes well for evaluating it thoroughly.

As for opposition and support, the massive text has only been out for a day, but some of the opposition put out releases against it less than six hours after release, which kind of signifies to me that they already decided their stance without looking at the text. I don't buy the supporting statements either, especially since Congress won't even vote on it for months, which means they are being given a lot of time to figure this stuff out.

Are we actually going to be this ridiculous and not wait for some proper analysis before screaming in fear?

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Would it be fair to say the MPAA support stems from the rampant bootlegging in Asian markets? Is there something that reduces that in this deal?

 

[Mr. RHC]

Who else supports it?

Who drafted and negotiated the agreement?

 

[narton]

snip

 

[Hamlet Machine]

It's not capitalism, it's corporatism and it's been around for a long time.

I understand.
But what is the ideology/interest behind this form of corporatism ?


Mr. RHC,
I don't understand the reference, I'm not american.

 

[Mr. RHC]

I don't understand the reference, I'm not american.

 

[MrCunningham]

So long earth. Time to move to space.

 

[Hamlet Machine]

Of course !
"What did you expect ?"

 

[LouisaFerre]

I'm fleeing to Iceland.

 

[Volimar]

Guys, Shadowrun is suppose to be a dystopian alternate future, not a how to guide.

Fuck it, wake up the dragons let's get this shit started.

 

[Dicer]

There is some incredible amount of fearmongering in here from people who haven't read the agreement. That sure bodes well for evaluating it thoroughly.

As for opposition and support, the massive text has only been out for a day, but some of the opposition put out releases against it less than six hours after release, which kind of signifies to me that they already decided their stance without looking at the text. I don't buy the supporting statements either, especially since Congress won't even vote on it for months, which means they are being given a lot of time to figure this stuff out.

Are we actually going to be this ridiculous and not wait for some proper analysis before screaming in fear?

Sure lets wait till it's already passed then decide to do something about it, makes sense...

The plans been around for a while quite secretly, that right there tells you it's some shady ass shit.

TPP can not and should not pass in it's current form.

 

[boiled goose]

Why are people surprised that Obama supports this? He has always been a corporatist. By allying with Republicans against his own party

Change you can believe in

 

[Sulik2]

Whelp the bad stuff easily outweighs any positives. The lack of negative coverage on this in the media is a sign though. No way Congress doesn't pass this.

 

[Fuu]

dp

 

[Fuu]

Is there any more that's gaming related? I would totally be okay with a Gaming version of this thread with more relevant stuff to games.

George Weidman (Super Bunnyhop) released a video yesterday generally focusing on how it affects games. Might be worth a thread on gaming side too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWHDPuDpay8