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RTTP: The Pokemon. All 721 of them, and counting.

Moosichu

Member
Gen II also had really good puzzles. Great side content such as the Unown. A bit more fanfare surrounding legendaries but not too much. The Pokegear. Kurt. Apricorns. A more interesting story. A train. A train!

I also liked how it linked into the first game by letting us take the boat.

The pokemon may not have been great, but the design of the game was the best pokemon has been imo.
 
Some of these Pokemon are shockingly bad.

Gamefreak would be crucified if those came out today

Just a reminder that a Pinecone with eyes is coming up eventually.

I always felt like an odd man out with opinions on Gen 2 when I first hit the internet having gone with gen 3 before gen 2 and as such it was always clear to me how lacklustre a chunk of the johto pokemon were as well as its region being kneecapped in size and content by the hollowed out Kanto taking up half the space (keeping in mind I'd also already got my Kanto nostalgia via the full blown gen 3 remakes at this point).

People give it a fairer assessment these days and I'd absolutely consider the Gen 2 games arguably the Game Boy's best but I have to say, a few years ago some folks used to act like Johto's shit didn't smell.
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
I think Yellow is my favorite of the first two generation games. Starting with Pikachu and following the anime loosely put it over in that regard.
 

Macka

Member
Remember that a lot of great Johto Pokemon were covered in the Kanto write-ups, guys.

Every region has its' share of duds.
Hell, Unova is almost entirely made up of them. :p
It just stands out more when you look at the Johto (and Sinnoh) Pokedex because those generations only added 100 new Pokemon each. With that said, Johto also introduced some of the absolute best designs though. I mean, here's a list of generally accepted 'popular' Pokemon, and I'll only name one member of each line to keep it brief:

Typhlosion, Feraligatr, Noctowl, Crobat, Togepi, Ampharos, Marill, Espeon, Umbreon, Gligar, Steelix, Scizor, Heracross, Sneasel, Skarmory, Houndoom, Donphan, Porygon2, Hitmontop, Elekid, Magby, Raikou, Suicune, Tyranitar, Ho-Oh, Lugia, Celebi


And everyone tends to have a few oddball favourites each gen too, right? Looking at you Delibird and Sunflora fans.
Murkrow <3
 

Toxi

Banned
I mean, here's a list of generally accepted 'popular' Pokemon, and I'll only name one member of each line to keep it brief:
Gligar
Gligar can be described as many things, but popular isn't one of them. It was pretty forgettable outside its unique type combo until it got a very good evolution in Gen 4.
 

Rutger

Banned
We're in a rough spot right now, and a lot of Johto Pokemon were already covered in the gen I write-ups. It's not perfect but gen II still introduced the majority of Pokemon that are high on my list of favorites.

I won't be able to say the same once we get to gen III...
 
Gligar is one of many Gen II Pokemon that was a single stage, but never quite felt like that was all that was there.

Gen IV really helped Gen II immensely. A nice clean up to the major offenders, turning obvious first stage Pokemon into proper first stage Pokemon.
 
The likes of Gliscor, Honchkrow, Weavile and Mismagius should receive medals for delivering justice to a bunch of solid yet underdeveloped pokemon.
Gen 4 is so odd in that respect, the back end of its dex with all the previous gen evos is pretty neat but I'm expecting a lot of the earlier Sinnoh mons to be like the current situation we've had with some Johto pokemon where we'll be faced with another string of "oh yeah, that pokemon is a thing that happened".

Like Burmy and its evos.
 

Macka

Member
Gligar can be described as many things, but popular isn't one of them. It was pretty forgettable outside its unique type combo until it got a very good evolution in Gen 4.
I guess I must be conflating my love for Gligar with the fandom's view on it. :p
 

Toxi

Banned
Misdreavus and Sneasel. You people forget.
Sneasel was cool, but it wasn't good outside of the card game (Where it was broken) until Gen IV gave it an evolution (Surprise surprise). And unfortunately, most players never used it in-game because it was only found at Mt. Silver, AKA the very end of the game.

Misdreavus was both good in the original games (Perish Trapper) and very cool. I like Mismagius enough that I'm glad Misdreavus got an evolution though. Too bad like Sneasel it wasn't available until the very end of the game.
 
The likes of Gliscor, Honchkrow, Weavile and Mismagius should receive medals for delivering justice to a bunch of solid yet underdeveloped pokemon.
Gen 4 is so odd in that respect, the back end of its dex with all the previous gen evos is pretty neat but I'm expecting a lot of the earlier Sinnoh mons to be like the current situation we've had with some Johto pokemon where we'll be faced with another string of "oh yeah, that pokemon is a thing that happened".

Like Burmy and its evos.

Eh, but it has Lucario, Toxicroak, Luxray, Floatzel, Bronzong, Garchomp, Hippodown, and Abomasnow

And Pokemon like Bibarel and Kricketune aren't that bad, at least they have something mildly interesting like Tune's crazy cry and Bibarel's Moody being broken and being Water/Normal which is unique.

Misdreavus and Sneasel. You people forget.

Too small, too weak and their evolutions made it plainly obvious they were first stage Pokemon.
 
Eh, but it has Lucario, Toxicroak, Luxray, Floatzel, Bronzong, Garchomp, Hippodown, and Abomasnow

And Pokemon like Bibarel and Kricketune aren't that bad, at least they have something mildly interesting like Tune's crazy cry and Bibarel's Moody being broken and being Water/Normal which is unique.

Oh I'm not saying its without its memorable pokemon, Abomasnow is in my top 5 after all.
 

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#194 - Wooper
Water/Ground

Here's another unique Water dual-type family, the first Water/Ground Pokemon which became a rather popular type combination for Game Freak in the next few games. Wooper has a rather weird distribution in Gold and Silver, until you get Surf, the only place you can find one is on Route 32---with a 4% chance of encountering one during the day, and a 35% chance of encountering one at night. Don't worry, there's actually a good reason for this distribution as we'll learn later. Water/Ground is another interesting Type because the two are usually seen as opposites, and putting them together is rather neat---mainly because it eliminates Water's main weakness, Electric. In fact, Wooper only has a single weakness to Grass, though it's a debilitating 4X, but it has a decent set of moves and evolves quickly, so it'll serve you quite well as your Water-type should you choose to use it in the adventure. Game Freak sure did love giving Generation II Pokemon goofy grins, huh?

According to Bulbapedia Wooper's name, and its original Japanese name "Upa", are named after an old fad called "Wooper Looper" where a bunch of folks were buying salamanders in bulk, specifically the axolotl were quite popular especially. Bulbapedia claims that this fad began in Japan, but I actually had a hard time finding any information about the "Wooper Looper" except for a recent toy made that resembles Wooper quite a bit---I never remember this fad myself, and information on it is rare, though apparently it was a term at some point that inspired by the Pokemon. Wooper seems to be inspired by three creatures---the axolotl of course, the related tiger salamander larvae, and a similar, but non-related, salamander species known as the mudpuppy. Most people just say Wooper's a axolotl, as it resembles one strongly, especially its shiny which is based on the popular albino axolotls bred by enthusiasts, but an axolotl is a neotenic salamander meaning it never goes through metamorphosis so you could say that, because it does undergo "metamorphosis" by another name, it's not a true axolotl based on that fact alone. Thus it has elements of the tiger salamander larvae, as the two are sometimes mistaken for one another but the tiger salamander larvae actually does undergo metamorphosis into a salamander. You'll notice Wooper is called the "Water Fish Pokemon", despite being an amphibian, but this isn't a dub error---it's called that in Japan, too. This is probably based on the fact axolotl are often misidentified as "walking fish". By the way, isn't "water fish" kind of redundant? I mean, usually saying "fish" implies an affinity with water.

But the one animal Wooper shares the most traits with actually seems to be the Necturus maculosus, also known as the common mudpuppy. These are another species of salamander which resemble the axolotl, as they never lose their gills and stay aquatic for the duration of their life as opposed to becoming terrestrial like most salamanders, though they aren't closely related to the axolotl. Mudpuppies are nocturnal creatures, but are known to sometimes come out during the day if their water becomes too dirty and they need to relocate---this probably explains why Wooper is mainly found at night, and it too is said in the PokeDex to mainly come out when it cools off to search for food. Another trait Wooper shares with the mudpuppy is that both of them have a special glads which can surround their bodies with a toxic, slimy film for protection---the PokeDex seems to suggest in Wooper's case, this film provides it with hydration so it can survive out of the water. The actual mudpuppy rarely ventures on land except to relocate, and I don't believe its gooey coating is used in the same way to help it survive out of the water. Anyway, Wooper seems to be based on various aquatic salamander species, and they're somewhat obscure animals so it's a Pokemon with a lot of depth to it biologically---come Generation III, we have another salamander-inspired Pokemon which is even more confusing when it comes to figuring out what animal it's actually meant to represent.

Wooper's cuteness means it pops up quite a lot in the show, but has never had that big of a role---in the various "Pichu Bros." specials it's one of their friends, and always looks happily oblivious no matter the situation, and recently in XY it made an appearance as an old friend of one of Ash's Pokemon who served as a "damsel in distress" where a group of Pokemon tricked into working for Team Rocket kidnapped it. Wooper's one of those Pokemon though who's cute enough that just seeing it appear will bring a smile to your face.

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#195 - Quagsire
Water/Ground

Wooper's another fast-evolving Johto Pokemon, and at Level 20 you'll have a Quagsire on your hands! For an in-game adventure, Quagsire has all around decent stats, and can pick up the always useful Earthquake pretty early compared to many Pokemon, making him a solid Pokemon. In the competitive scene, Quagsire is outclassed by many other Water Pokemon, especially the other Water/Ground salamander introduced in Generation III, though he does have his uses, such as the Ability Water Absorb which gives him an additional immunity and his Hidden Ability Unaware which ignores stat changes, and isn't completely pointless like some of the other Johto Pokemon we've covered. I like Quagsire, but admittedly out of all the Water/Ground Pokemon introduced over the years, he's probably my least favorite. Now the Water/Ground Pokemon introduced in Generation V---I admit, it was love at first sight! But it'll be awhile till we reach him, so for now Quagsire will have to do.

You'll remember in my review of Lickitung I mentioned a future Pokemon who somewhat resembled our tonguey friend in that they both appeared to be based off salamanders and, well, here he is. While Wooper was based off an immature salamander, Quagsire is a fully grown one, and specifically seems to be based on the Japanese giant salamander which is the second largest salamander in the world. Quagsire is one of the few Pokemon who is basically the same size as its base at 4'7", as the Japanese giant salamander is said to grow to close to 5 feet in length. Unlike other mature salamanders, the Japanese giant salamander remains aquatic and is also nocturnal---Quagsire like Wooper is more common at night in areas where it appears on land referencing this fact. Quagsire is said to be extremely dimwitted and oblivious, perhaps referencing the fact that Giant salamanders have very poor eyesight and move slow enough that one may see them as being "dumb" (though as I mentioned with Lickitung, they actually have power sensory cells able to detect minute vibrations), and both Quagsire and the Giant salamander do not need to eat a lot because of their slow-acting metabolism. Another element of Quagsire is its tendency to bump its head on the bottom of boats, which brings to mind a common habit of the manatee, though in that situation they're known to often die due to colliding with the propeller.

Quagsire's debut episode had one steal the GS Ball from Ash---in retrospect, maybe it should've kept it? Bulbapedia notes that this episode showing Quagsire preferring clean, fresh water as opposed to the marshes it pops up in in some of the games could be seen as an "error", though the anime is actually doing their research here since the Japanese giant salamander due to its lack of gills needs to live in clear, cool streams with flowing water as opposed to marshes which have rather low oxygen levels. Though this doesn't necessarily apply to Quagsire, of course. Its major appearance in a battling role was in Sinnoh under the command of Crasher Wake, where we saw a rare emotion other than "oblivious joy" from Quagsire as it showed off a pretty wicked smirk during the fight. Plus it managed to take down a Grass-type Pokemon, normally its main weakness, which deserves props.
 

Toxi

Banned
My favorite moment from movie 3 was Pikachu fighting Quagsire, ending with that amazing Skull Bash off the swing.

It's interesting how many Water/Ground Pokemon we've gotten, and they all manage to be at least somewhat useful in their own way.
Too small, too weak and their evolutions made it plainly obvious they were first stage Pokemon.
Misdreavus is actually surprisingly good in Gen 2 multiplayer because it can use Mean Look and Perish Song to trap and kill opponents.

Though in-game it's pretty garbage thanks to its stats and the fact that in-game opponents don't switch.
 
Sneasel was cool, but it wasn't good outside of the card game (Where it was broken) until Gen IV gave it an evolution (Surprise surprise). And unfortunately, most players never used it in-game because it was only found at Mt. Silver, AKA the very end of the game.

Misdreavus was both good in the original games (Perish Trapper) and very cool. I like Mismagius enough that I'm glad Misdreavus got an evolution though. Too bad like Sneasel it wasn't available until the very end of the game.

I don't like how people associate strong Pokemon as only ones being worthwhile. I understand that in the competitive field they are not great but they still have excellent designs, diverse move pools, and can be easily used in the single player.

I'll add Gligar, Steelix, Togetic, Scizor, Blissey, Jumpluff, Politoad, Slowking, Heracross, Girafarig, Hitmontop, Smeargle, Octillery, Ursaring, Donphan, Skarmory, Houndoom, Ampharos, Porygon 2, Espeon, Umbreaon, and the starters to this list.

You people are crazy. Gen II is still great.
 

Watch Da Birdie

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Gligar can be described as many things, but popular isn't one of them. It was pretty forgettable outside its unique type combo until it got a very good evolution in Gen 4.

I feel the show really helped in Generation IV, Ash got one and it was super adorable---really warmed up to the species though I always liked it a fair bit.
 

Azuran

Banned
Remember that a lot of great Johto Pokemon were covered in the Kanto write-ups, guys.

Every region has its' share of duds.
Hell, Unova is almost entirely made up of them. :p
It just stands out more when you look at the Johto (and Sinnoh) Pokedex because those generations only added 100 new Pokemon each. With that said, Johto also introduced some of the absolute best designs though. I mean, here's a list of generally accepted 'popular' Pokemon, and I'll only name one member of each line to keep it brief:

Typhlosion, Feraligatr, Noctowl, Crobat, Togepi, Ampharos, Marill, Espeon, Umbreon, Gligar, Steelix, Scizor, Heracross, Sneasel, Skarmory, Houndoom, Donphan, Porygon2, Hitmontop, Elekid, Magby, Raikou, Suicune, Tyranitar, Ho-Oh, Lugia, Celebi


And everyone tends to have a few oddball favourites each gen too, right? Looking at you Delibird and Sunflora fans.
Murkrow <3

And yet the sad part about that list is that those are the only decent Pokemon in that gen.

Gen VI only introduced 70 and yet the majority of them are so good that it makes me wish the region had a lot more.
 

Toxi

Banned
I don't like how people associate strong Pokemon as only ones being worthwhile. I understand that in the competitive field they are not great but they still have excellent designs, diverse move pools, and can be easily used in the single player.
Misdreavus and Sneasel can't. You can't even catch them until the last area in the game. (Crystal does fix this for Sneasel by putting it much earlier at the Ice Path)

This is one of the biggest problems with Gen II's Pokemon distribution.
I feel the show really helped in Generation IV, Ash got one and it was super adorable---really warmed up to the species though I always liked it a fair bit.
I didn't realize Ash had one in the show; I guess that would have also helped the popularity of Gligar a bit more when Gen 4 came.
 
Wooper and Quagsire have an excuse for their dopey looks

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Baby salamanders and salamanders in generally are dopey looking animals.

As cute as I think Wooper is, and as not awful as Quagsire is for an in-game run, I've never actually used either lol

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Isn't there a GIF from some episode where a bunch of Pokemon are drowning in a river and Wooper is just sitting there grinning?
 
Misdreavus and Sneasel can't. You can't even catch them until the last area in the game.

I didn't realize Ash had one in the show; I guess that would have also helped the popularity of Gligar a bit more when Gen 4 came.

Eh, I agree, they screwed up on the distribution on a lot of them, but I always replayed the games and traded baby eggs from another version to play the game how I wanted to. Not saying that makes it okay, but Pokemon is kind of how you want to make it after the first playthrough.
 

woopWOOP

Member
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Quagsire the GOAT. My #1 favorite Pokemon.
That dopey face will always make me smile.
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
Wooper and its evolution are not fun to use in gen 2...but I always did because it was sooo cute. If I actually needed to get work done with a water type I'd just use Lapras.
 

Firemind

Member
How can you say you like Quagsire the least? I mean, there's Gastrodon, man.

Unlike Swampert, Quagsire can Recover! And it has two useful abilities! And it's just the cutest! <3
 

Watch Da Birdie

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How can you say you like Quagsire the least? I mean, there's Gastrodon, man.

Unlike Swampert, Quagsire can Recover! And it has two useful abilities! And it's just the cutest! <3

I love Gastrodon though. One of the first Pokemon I IV bred/EV trained in XY.
 

Rutger

Banned
Wooper and Quagsire are easily my favorite Water/Ground type Pokemon. I'm not sure if I've ever actually used one, though I don't remember the teams I've used in the original gen I/II games.

I guess it's another family to add to my list of Pokemon I should use one day.
 

Mr-Joker

Banned
All this talk about how gen 2 Pokémon got shoved aside for the gen 1 Pokémon, I kinda feel that the same happened with the gen 6 Pokémon but with Mega and gen 1-5 Pokémon.

Anyway I have used a Quagsire in Pokémon Colosseum, I taught him sludge Bomb and Mud Shot... it looked like he was throwing up on the enemy Pokémon.

My ranking for the Water/Ground Pokémon are as followed;

-Wooper/Quagsire
-Shellos/Gastrodon
-Palpitoad/Seismitoad
-Marshtomp/Swampert- Used one on my Alpha Sapphire team, though it was a reserve Pokémon.
-Barboach/Whiscash. ¬_¬;
 

Toxi

Banned
I honestly love all the Water/Ground Pokemon

  • Wooper/Quagsire: Adorably oblivious.
  • Mudkip/Marshtomp/Swampert: Really cool designs and fun to use in-game
  • Barboach/Whiscash: How can you not love Whiscash's goofy grin?
  • Shellos/Gastrodon: Nudibranchs! So glad that there are nudibrach pokemon.
  • Tympole/Palpitoad/Seismitoad: These guys are ugly, but in a kinda cute way. Seismitoad reminds me of a bulldog.
 

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#198 - Murkrow
Dark/Flying

In Generation II, this Pokemon got treated absolutely horribly by Game Freak. For some reason they didn't want players to use the new Dark-type Pokemon during the main adventure, so everyone except Umbreon was basically shoved into the post-game---Murkrow didn't appear till Kanto, and by the time you got one, it'd be outclassed by your entire team with no decent way to train one up due to Gen II Kanto's horrifically weak Wild Pokemon. Why did they shove such a weak Pokemon into the end of the game when it could've easily popped up earlier in Johto and been useful at least for the beginning of the game? In my opinion, I almost consider Murkrow a Sinnoh Pokemon due to being treated leagues better in Diamond where it was actually available near the beginning of the game as you'd imagine a Pokemon with its stats to be located, had a decent selection of moves by then, and most importantly received a brand-new evolution allowing it to stay with your team throughout the journey. Unfortunately, it is ONLY in Diamond, and can't be found in Pearl or Platinum, though one can get around this easily thanks to the GTS. In Generation II, Murkrow didn't have any real strengths in the competitive scene---it was more or less another weak "Normal/Flying" Pokemon, though with the Normal switched with the still clunky and unfocused Dark-type, but it's actually not completely terrible in recent years thanks to the pretty useful "Prankster" Ability allowing it to annoy your opponent with various status moves, and Eviolite and Roost helping keep it alive. Just don't venture too far out of its comfort zone, and you got yourself a fun Pokemon to play around with.

I'll be honest, I think Murkrow's evolution helped him IMMENSELY. Probably more than any other Pokemon I can think of, no one cared about Murkrow until he evolved. Apart from the fact he kind of sucked and wasn't readily available and thus few folks really bonded with him, I just find him pretty dull overall and even though he's part-Dark, he really doesn't do much to stick out from the plethora of bird-based Pokemon. Honestly alongside fish-based Water Pokemon, I'm a bit worn out on bird-based Flying Pokemon, and hope Game Freak cuts back on them for a bit, though non-Flying bird Pokemon are something I'd like to see more of. Murkrow is of course a crow, and its trait of going after shiny objects and hoarding them is inspired by a "myth" about crows that they do the same, though it's just that, a myth, and they don't especially like shiny objects any more than other eye-catching objects they may mistake for food. Though Murkrow, and crows in general, are associated with the night often, I don't believe crows are actually nocturnal. Or maybe people just can't see them at night so no one actually knows. In Gold and Silver at the Team Rocket HQ, the player runs into a Murkrow with the ability to mimic voices, saying "HAIL GIOVANNI"---this is another little-known fact about crows and a trait more often thought of as being exclusive to parrots, but crows are capable of mimicking the cries of other birds and the voices of humans, though I don't know if one would be able to clearly say a password like that. Crows are actually extremely intelligent, tool-using animals, though Murkrow doesn't seem to especially be any more intelligent than most Pokemon.

In various cultures crows are depicted as harbingers of bad omens, and associated with witchcraft, thus Murkrow has those traits as well such as its feathers forming a witch's hat on its head, and its tail resembling a broom. It's considered bad luck to see one of them at night, and that reputation is well-deserved as they're known to purposefully lure folks away from the main road into the mountains where they're sure to become lost, though perhaps it only does this out of a need to protect itself. Murkrow's motif got "retconned" somewhat in Generation IV due to its evolution, themed after a mafia don, and now one might see Murkrow as wearing an old-school mobster's hat. There's nothing particularly "mobster" about it otherwise, so I don't think Game Freak had this in mind when they first created the Pokemon, but it works well enough alongside its evolution that it's a retcon I don't really mind.

Murkrow made its debut in the Johto episode "All That Glitters", which was actually a nice and rare focus episode for Ash's Noctowl as well. Despite being "bad" Pokemon who stole shiny objects, such as Ash's badges and James' bottle-caps, Murkrow redeemed themselves at the end by fighting off Team Rocket and thus this started the trend of the show usually depicting Dark Pokemon as being mischievous, but not irredeemably evil. This was the first episode based around Ash losing his badges, which became a bit of a reoccurring theme in a few other episodes throughout the years---though a later episode I recall explained that Gym Leaders would simply replace the badges for him, but of course Ash just can't accept that. In Diamond and Pearl, Ash's rival Paul owned a Murkrow, and the show was weird about this---it popped up in the first Japanese Opening alongside Paul and his other early Pokemon, but didn't actually appear till 37 episodes into the show which was also the episode where Paul introduced all of his reserve Pokemon. It evolved not too long after, and was a pretty important member of his team throughout the show.

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#430 - Honchkrow
Dark/Flying

In Generation IV Murkrow obtained a new evolution through the use of the new Evolutionary Stone, the Dusk Stone, that focuses on evolving mainly "evil" Pokemon. There's a decent, but finite, supply of Dusk Stones available in Diamond and Pearl, the first one in Veilstone City, so using a Honchkrow in Generation IV is an easy task---just remember that the Murkrow family is Diamond-exclusive. Honchkrow gets a bit slower, but overall he's easily superior to Murkrow, and a powerful Pokemon in his own right with Sucker Punch, tied as the strongest increased-priority move if you can pull it off, and together with his high Attack and Dark-type STAB he can be a major threat. He can't take much of a hit though, but he'll do you a major favor if you give him a shot. A lot of people love this Pokemon, the highlight of Generation IV, and while I like it, it's not anywhere near my favorite Generation IV evolution. On the other hand, I've seen a lot of popularity backlash towards this Pokemon recently, probably since it's the closest thing to a neckbeard Pokemon, m'ledyba.

Honchkrow is a much larger crow, and thus you could possibly say it may be actually a raven, a member of the Corvus family who are larger than crows, though it resembles the hooded crow due to its "beard" resembling the black-and-white color scheme of its feathers. I know a few people think it's meant to be a wizard, due to evolving from a witch-based Pokemon, having what appears to be a wizened beard, a tail that could be seen as resembling an old-school broom, and its nickname "Summoner of Night". But come on, it's obviously supposed to be basically The Godfather of Pokemon. It's wearing a gangster's fedora *tips*, the white tuft is meant to make it resemble the classic tuxedo worn by Don Corleone, and finally its tail feathers resemble the rose boutineer he wore. Plus, his Japanese name is "Donkarasu"---"the Don of crows", more or less. Considering their association with bad luck, and the fact that a group of crows is known as a "murder", it's no surprise Game Freak went this route with the Pokemon, and it's a really cute idea though I also think it's a bit schlocky and somewhat over-the-top. All Murkrows in an area answer to it, bringing it back food and flying alongside it at night, presumably to offer protection. I wonder if groups of Honchkrow engage in turf wars in the Pokemon World? It's also a pretty ruthless boss as well, as it never forgives a mistake made by any of its henchmen. Don't cross Honchkrow, or you'll wake up with a Ponyta head in your bed.

I'm sort of disappointed Honchkrow's status as a Mafia Don was never actually explored in the show, I don't think we ever saw one alongside Murkrow---in fact the only one of note was Paul's, which evolved from his Murkrow off-screen and first appeared in a flashback. Honchkrow was used by him quite often though, and was shown to be pretty capable. It had two major moments: first it competed in a PokeRinger competition---a reoccurring Flying-type event that's like capture the flag---against Ash's Sinnoh Starter where it had its only loss as Honchkrow. It was also used in the mid-series 6 vs. 6 Ash vs. Paul battle against Ash's Sinnoh Grass Starter, which it had a prior rivalry with due to an earlier fight it won, and once more managed to hand that Pokemon its grass, er, ass. That battle was all about showing how inferior Ash was to Paul, so it winning was no surprise. It actually didn't get to compete in the League despite being one of Paul's "main Pokemon" unfortunately.
 
Super Luck Honchkrow with Scope Lens and Night Slash is a source of great amusement to me. I enjoy the line.

I like Wooper and Quagsire too. I like them better than most of the Water/Ground types, though I think Swampert wins out.
 

Rutger

Banned
Yeah, Murkrow and Honchkrow are pretty cool, hard to go wrong with a dark type Pokemon in my eyes. I'm glad gen IV gave it an evolution, I like Murkrow but there's no way I'd use one without it.
 
Gen 2 really was weird.

wtf was up with Sneasal, Misdreavus, and Murkrow not having evolutions? Why did Pikachu need to have a baby form, oversomething like Lapras or Snorlax? thanks Gen 4 for finishing Gen 2.
 

jnWake

Member
Honchkrow is one of my favourites. So much swag in that design and it's also pretty good. I used one in a Soul Silver Nuzlocke and it was good even though I could only use it pretty late in the game.
 
While Honchkrow is one of my favourite Dark-type Pokémon, I always felt kinda sad that Murkrow didn't evolve into something still related to witches.
 

WarAdept

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On the other hand, I've seen a lot of popularity backlash towards this Pokemon recently, probably since it's the closest thing to a neckbeard Pokemon, m'ledyba.

I never thought much of Honchcrow, despite how nuts fans seem to be for it. Now with this description, I'll never see it as anything else.
 
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