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Final Fantasy VII Remake is a multi-part series

CamHostage

Member
Are you kidding me with this nonsense? It's a remake. Not a sequel. If it's a eholly different game, title it as such and market it as such. If it's titled "FF VII Remake" it should BE FF VII Remake, not a "wholly different game".

I assume you watched the trailer? Did you see anything in the trailer that looked like Final Fantasy VII gameplay to you? Did it strike you as the same thing you remembered in 1997 but with upgraded graphics? Or was it a wholly different game?

We can argue about why they're calling it Remake or why they're not making the remaster that most FFVII fans have been demanding all this time, but it's just not that game. It's something inspired by FFVII, along with Advent Children and FFXV and other factors and developer interests.

This new Final Fantasy VII product is a remake, same as how The Fly was remade and and Battlestar Galactica was remade and Red Dragon was remade (twice.) This new Final Fantasy VII product is not a remaster.

So to get up in arms over it being episodic, you're getting angry that this game which is 100% different gameplay from a game that shares its name with is now 120% different from it.

You and I both can be angry that it isn't what it isn't, but it isn't what it isn't. No need to get even angrier as it moves further away from the game that it isn't and instead becomes whatever it is that they're making instead.
 

Angel_DvA

Member
To anyone excusing this CDProjekt Red and The Witcher 3 just laugh.

I mean that is a 100+ hour narrative driven GIGANTIC open RPG. They did it and they are FAR smaller than SE

It was my point earlier, when we take a look at the team sized + budget + what they need to do in Witcher games, they are making Square looks like a AA studio at best.

X or GTAV are Big project too and they come to Life without that episodic crap, it's clear that square wants to milked FF7 as much as possible, nothing more.
 

JaseMath

Member
I can't stop laughing. I feel like Walter White in my crawl space.

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True Fire

Member
To anyone excusing this CDProjekt Red and The Witcher 3 just laugh.

I mean that is a 100+ hour narrative driven GIGANTIC open RPG. They did it and they are FAR smaller than SE

Imagine if The Witcher 3 was episodic.

Part I: White Orchard $59.99
Part II: Velen $29.99
Part III: Novigrad $29.99
Part IV: Skellige $29.99
...
and so on
 

Fredrik

Member
This sounds like Peter Jackson stretching The Hobbit over three seperate films. It doesn't really sound episodic in the Telltale sense, at first glance.
Yes, only he did it to be able to keep as many plot details as possible from the book, and still had to cut stuff away. But I don't see why SE does this, it's not like the main story is incredibly long in FF7, it's more like each part will be very short now unless they add tons of side quests.
And now, will we even get the complete saga on PS4? How many more years does PS4 have? I'm thinking 3, maybe 4.
 
Will FFXV even make money with all the development it has gone through?

Possibly. You have to keep in mind that (to my knowledge at least) the game wasn't really in full development for most of the period from its announcement to 2013, as most of the people who were going to be working on it got pulled off to help salvage XIV and the XIIIs, then was rebooted in 2012. It's not like they spent the past decade paying a full AAA game's worth of staff to work on one game.
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
I realize FF7 was a seminal game in gaming history, but that really doesn't mean this project is for sure going to make them vaults of money. It's probably one of the most risky projects they've ever taken on, honestly.

It's the least risky thing Square has done in the last decade and a half.

Fucking come on.
 

Vire

Member
People who keep posting The Witcher 3 are fooling themselves if they think it's anywhere near the number of unique assets this is going to take to make. The Witcher 3 mostly takes place in the wilderness where shrubbery, trees and grass is copied and pasted repeatedly to make the world large.

I really don't think people remember FF7... there's an absurd amount of different areas, towns and locations to visit that are all different in theme, textures and materials. This is a significantly crazier undertaking, but I have to imagine the budget is also significantly higher.
 
Stop making excuses for Square Enix, you guys.
Games like GTA V, Fallout 4, Witcher 3, etc., all have massive worlds with lots of cutscenes, voice acting, assets etc.

Here is Witcher 3's world map:



See that city on the top right? That's Novigrad. A large fully explorable city.



If these guys can do it, then so can SE. Stop making excuses for them.

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Without a doubt.
 
This is one thing I REALLY didn't exxpect and don't like about this remake.

It also fills me with fear that we'll be getting the first episode and then have to wait a year or so to get the second episode.

Please just release it in a complete fashion, even if this meant it'd be on multiple discs :(
 

Lynx_7

Member
Anybody want FFVI remade now?

At this point I just want a decent port of that so I can buy on Steam or PS4. None of that iOS atrocity though. It's really incredible how even something small scale like that failed so thoroughly. It's even more baffling considering classic DQ games get much better port/remake treatments on a consistent basis.
 

anothertech

Member
This sounds like Peter Jackson stretching The Hobbit over three seperate films. It doesn't really sound episodic in the Telltale sense, at first glance.
Except hobbit was an hour and half long book, and FF7 was a 40 hr+ long game -With side quests that went well into the hundreds of hours... Perspective and all.
 
It was my point earlier, when we take a look at the team sized + budget + what they need to do in Witcher games, they are making Square looks like a AA studio at best.

X or GTAV are Big project too and they come to Life without that episodic crap, it's clear that square wants to milked FF7 as much as possible, nothing more.

To anyone excusing this CDProjekt Red and The Witcher 3 just laugh.

I mean that is a 100+ hour narrative driven GIGANTIC open RPG. They did it and they are FAR smaller than SE

Stop making excuses for Square Enix, you guys.
Games like GTA V, Fallout 4, Witcher 3, etc., all have massive worlds with lots of cutscenes, voice acting, assets etc.

Here is Witcher 3's world map:



See that city on the top right? That's Novigrad. A large fully explorable city.



If these guys can do it, then so can SE. Stop making excuses for them.

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Yup.

Unless each, individual episode feels as deep, large and fleshed out as these standalone AAA game then this is nothing more than SE milking fans.

The flipside would be each episode being small and light and sold at a really cheap, fair, price, but who the fuck honestly wanted the FFVII remake to be FFVII-CliffNotes?
 

MrHoot

Member
Oh come on, there's a night and day difference in terms of interest in the genre before and after VII. Yes, it had it's fans in the west before VII came out, but it was still incredibly niche. We all love VI and we all love SNES JRPGs but let's not pretend they were breakthrough hits that VII was.

It certainly had a better premisce to JRPGs back then than now really.

I don't know if it's just me who made the mourning of a "true" FF7 remake years ago before the announcement, but that's just the reality of gaming for me. It fucking sucks, but also this is how i see it:

SE is making a shitload of games right now and I don't think they have as many people or as much money as people think they have. They were losing money like freaking crazy during gen 7, with every iteration of XIII selling less than the last. FF XIV being a complete disaster. And a general output of game that was completely weak. Mostly saved by stuff like purchasing Eidos or getting publishing rights.

That, and you have the living cost of Japan which is extraordinarily high. You have SE who's also working on several other projects (Several dragon quests, the upkeep of FF XIV which is now successful, FF XV, Kingdom Hearts 3, numerous 3ds and vita title). Some of that stuff is outsourced.
And finally, well the task of FF7 itself. For all it's value on a sale, it still requires an enormous team and a shitload of assets, because FF7 had just a huge variety of locales, characters and a big story layered over all this. That and a bunch of side quests and minigames. All of that they have to recreate from scratch with the utmost precision if they don't want to piss off the fans, as well as i'm guessing by their statements that they'll also add extra stuff to it (we might end up with a total game that is longer than the base one after all). Going all out on such a mammoth, it's tempting but i'm guessing they still have a business to run at the end of the day and they want to do other things post FF7 (like finishing kingdom hearts, another huge franchise loved by many and has also many expectations).

Sure we can keep comparing to witcher (a project made in a less expensive country which sold more than any previous square title), or xenoblade (helped by nintendo, and less detailed). As I see it though, square hasn't recovered yet from Generation 7.

Also, to be precise: This isn't "good news" to me either but it's also not a reason to get uppity at this point. My expectations for the remake have always been: Do what you want as long as the content itself, detailing and experience remains the same (meaning I don't really care that the combat is not ATB as long as it's similarily contextualized and I can still use different characters. And I hope that every part of the story is in it at this point otherwise that would be scandalous). And there are genuine worry about episodic, like the pacing, pricing and gating which are all irritating in their own way. On the other, it definitively also has it's advantages. I'll be the first to yell if like they even CUT shit at this point because that would be outrageous with that model. With that, the way they can make it okay is that if each episode is like 25 hours long at LEAST (if we count like 3 episodes, as the total would amount to more than the base game's scenario by about 20 hours)

In any case: without pricing, without actually knowing the content, and without knowing how this thing is going to play, i can't be outraged like the others because I don't have much ground to stand on. But as a decision, while I don't agree with it from a gamer perspective, I can certainly understand from a dev one. Even though we can agree that SE can take part of the blame at least because of their terrible previous performance that put them in a tight spot to begin with
 

kevin1025

Banned
So will it be that you buy the disc, and it updates the new pieces in? Kind of like the Telltale Minecraft game? Or you buy the game at retail and then at a certain point it becomes a DLC fest? That's the important thing here. If we get Midgar as a whole piece up front, that's not so bad.
 

RexNovis

Banned
Hmmm. Can't say I was expecting this. I mean given what we know thus far there is nothing to indicate that they are dramatically altering the scope of the game in any way. In fact they have said repeatedly that they would be adding a substantial amount of additional content while preserving and tweaking the original content. They might just be planning to split it across three parts with each being an equivalent of one disc on the OG release. That seems reasonable to me. Everybody seriously needs to calm down until we learn a bit more.
 
This is kinda bullshit but I'll wait for more claritiy in this case.

I hope this isn't more than 3 episodes.

Pricing should be 39,99 + 2 x 19,99
 

Styles

Member
It's the least risky thing Square has done in the last decade and a half.

Fucking come on.

Right?

They could have announced the remake anytime and people would have gone bananas.

If you are going remake a beloved game like FFVII, do it right, because people will buy it on name alone.
 

Boke1879

Member
Stop making excuses for Square Enix, you guys.
Games like GTA V, Fallout 4, Witcher 3, etc., all have massive worlds with lots of cutscenes, voice acting, assets etc.

Here is Witcher 3's world map:



See that city on the top right? That's Novigrad. A large fully explorable city.



If these guys can do it, then so can SE. Stop making excuses for them.

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Yet Novigrad is the same few assets over and over. It looks great don't get me wrong but you're really not understanding development.

You all want FF7 fully remade with nothing cut. Also not every game is going to sell as much as GTA 5
 
It was my point earlier, when we take a look at the team sized + budget + what they need to do in Witcher games, they are making Square looks like a AA studio at best.

X or GTAV are Big project too and they come to Life without that episodic crap, it's clear that square wants to milked FF7 as much as possible, nothing more.

Exactly. Yes VII would be more work than Witcher 3 which is an enormous effort all by itself.

But guess what? SE is multiple times larger with piles more cash. If CDProjekt Red can deliver something the scale and quality of W3 SE can sure as hell make FFVII
 

farisr

Member
So this is Verendus' post from a year ago.

Firstly, for a little clarification since I haven't said this before, but the FF7 project doesn't necessarily refer to just one game. The core of it will end up being a proper home console game and that's going to be the main thing, but it's basically a visit back to the FF7 world again, and there'll likely be a few things surrounding that. A large part of their discussion is likely surrounding this point.

It may not necessarily just be games, but I don't know what it could be either. It's far too early to say and most of this stuff is in early planning stages, so I have no idea about the details for most of it. Nor am I always in a position to know. And to be fair, I don't really care about the extra stuff whatever that ends up being since I don't exactly think the original Compilation was any good.
 

HeelPower

Member
Are people talking about Witcher 3 unknowingly ?

The game has massive,gigantic stretches of explorable seamless lands.

Not to mention Skellige has a wildly different terrain than the rest of the game.Novigrad is huge..Oxenfurt..The game has so many interiors all over the place.

Witcher 3's world is a huge achievement,reuses considered.
 
Exactly. Yes VII would be more work than Witcher 3 which is an enormous effort all by itself.

But guess what? SE is multiple times larger with piles more cash. If CDProjekt Red can deliver something the scale and quality of W3 SE can sure as hell make FFVII

But this is ignoring SE output and results for the past few years alongside ignoring the relative decline of the genre that SE for the longest time has prided themselves in.

I'm not saying that FF7 isn't feasible. I completely think it is. But I certainly don't think that current development costs combined with the scope and scale of FF7 with the situation of SE makes it as cut and dry as you're making it out to be.
 
People who keep posting The Witcher 3 are fooling themselves if they think it's anywhere near the number of unique assets this is going to take to make. The Witcher 3 mostly takes place in the wilderness where shrubbery, trees and grass is copied and pasted repeatedly to make the world large.

I really don't think people remember FF7... there's an absurd amount of different areas, towns and locations to visit that are all different in theme, textures and materials. This is a significantly crazier undertaking, but I have to imagine the budget is also significantly higher.

This.
 

injurai

Banned
People who keep posting The Witcher 3 are fooling themselves if they think it's anywhere near the number of unique assets this is going to take to make. The Witcher 3 mostly takes place in the wilderness where shrubbery, trees and grass is copied and pasted repeatedly to make the world large.

I really don't think people remember FF7... there's an absurd amount of different areas, towns and locations to visit that are all different in theme, textures and materials. This is a significantly crazier undertaking, but I have to imagine the budget is also significantly higher.

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I think it's pretty clear, even just by looking at XV development, how much more scripted everything is in the games. They invest an insane amount of programming in how creatures move through the environment. How Noctis slides down terrain. TW3 is prestine rpg and world building. But Square seems to be wanting to take almost Uncharted 4 levels of crafting to each scene, level, and encounter.

When trying to remake a game made with PS1 assets, that doesn't scale up easily into the fidelity of modern game design.
 

eMpTy23

Member
Haha. All I can do is shake my head and laugh.

I don't care about this game anymore, and it feels great not to.

Thank you, Square Enix.
 

Timeaisis

Member
People who keep posting The Witcher 3 are fooling themselves if they think it's anywhere near the number of unique assets this is going to take to make. The Witcher 3 mostly takes place in the wilderness where shrubbery, trees and grass is copied and pasted repeatedly to make the world large.

I really don't think people remember FF7... there's an absurd amount of different areas, towns and locations to visit that are all different in theme, textures and materials. This is a significantly crazier undertaking, but I have to imagine the budget is also significantly higher.

Maybe that's something SE should've considered before anniuncing a game they hadn't even started working on yet.
 

Ray Down

Banned
Yet Novigrad is the same few assets over and over. It looks great don't get me wrong but you're really not understanding development.

You all want FF7 fully remade with nothing cut. Also not every game is going to sell as much as GTA 5

Or have the budget of Witcher 3.

If that game was made in any other country CPR would have gone under, the cost of living in Poland is low compared to Japan or even the US.
 

Toparaman

Banned
To anyone excusing this CDProjekt Red and The Witcher 3 just laugh.

I mean that is a 100+ hour narrative driven GIGANTIC open RPG. They did it and they are FAR smaller than SE

The first 10 hours of FF7 are so varied in scenarios and locations that they would comprise an entire Uncharted game if rendered with modern production values. You sure can't say that about Witcher 3.
 

Guri

Member
Stop making excuses for Square Enix, you guys.
Games like GTA V, Fallout 4, Witcher 3, etc., all have massive worlds with lots of cutscenes, voice acting, assets etc.

Here is Witcher 3's world map:

See that city on the top right? That's Novigrad. A large fully explorable city.

If these guys can do it, then so can SE. Stop making excuses for them.

Still a lot of asset repetition, by the way. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love The Witcher as a franchise (I still need to play the third one, though), but that's just how games in general work. They reuse a lot of assets and that's not a bad thing if you manage to make them interesting each time you see them (and CD Projekt is amazing at this).

Well, my next question is why you think it will have more content. Why is that? The production standard they've set for this game is stratospheric. It must be very difficult to make. I would think this tends more towards less content, but content that looks and sounds better than almost anything else on the market.

Because a remake is a perfect opportunity to add new content. REmake had it. Like I said in my original post, a Remake means a complete overhaul of the game, while maintaining its base. A Remaster means updating its presentation. This is a Remake. Plus, they already confirmed there will be new content (with the "more plot devices" comment).
 

Diablos

Member
This is... interesting.

Hopefully each "part" is reasonably priced and fleshed out enough to be worthy of a separate purchase.

Needs one for zack, sephiroth, and bringing back Aeris/th to life lol.
Finally: The GENERAL DLC will be available for download and you can meet him in the church!
 
But this is ignoring SE output and results for the past few years alongside ignoring the relative decline of the genre that SE for the longest time has prided themselves in.

I'm not saying that FF7 isn't feasible. I completely think it is. But I certainly don't think that current development costs combined with the scope and scale of FF7 with the situation of SE makes it as cut and dry as you're making it out to be.

Then dont make the game. Seriously.

If they are incapable of delivering the experience that fans want dont make it. Leave it alone.

Anything else is just a blatant cash grab for your wallets.
 

anothertech

Member
I would fully be on board with CDPR doing the FF7R. They are too busy with cyberpunk though. I cannot wait for that game.

Unfortunately, this is squarenix. Have they made a truly open world game?
 

orochi91

Member
Just got home, only to open GAF and see this fucking thread.

A part of me is devastated that they're gonna draw this out and milk the ever-loving shit out of it, but the another part of me is happy that they're ensuring as much content as possible in the overall package.

I guess I'll just wait a couple more years and buy the full package containing all the episodes.

We waited all the years, might as well wait a few more and get all the episodes at once....
 
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