MS focused too much on what caused the 360 to boom after 2008 instead of looking at the period that caused the 360 to get praise from the audience that buys consoles during the early part of the gen (2005-2008).
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NPD Sales Results for December 2015 [Up1: Super Mario Maker]
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MS focused too much on what caused the 360 to boom after 2008 instead of looking at the period that caused the 360 to get praise from the audience that buys consoles during the early part of the gen (2005-2008).
Obliterator
Member
There are still PLENTY of casuals, again its an off base argument.
The Wii sold millions of consoles to people that have never bought a console and will likely never buy one again.
I'm not saying the industry is GROWING at scale because it isn't. I'm saying its in no danger to the people that come to NeoGAF.
If you are an individual posting on this website and reading this thread, the games you are interested in are in no danger of going anywhere.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Bingo!
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Rainbow Six got into the top 10? I'm surprised but like it at the same time
Primethius
Banned
So me and you were right? Huzzah! I'll go find those posts to put this TR talk to rest.
Yeah I know, I was talking about the Gears comparison.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Sorry I missed the context here. Are we talking about TR or something else?
Edit: Seems like it's TR.
Btw, with Halo 5's decline... Does that pretty much make Nintendo really the only 1st party who really has much sway using exclusives (looking at 3DS here mostly, although Wii U was pretty much only exclusives as well)?
I won't be here for long, and probably I won't get an answer till tomorrow morning here in Italy, so...my personal numbers requests
- Xenoblade Chronicles X
- Yokai Watch
- Zelda: Triforce Heroes
- Yoshi's Wolly World
+1 to these requests
.Coded Heroin
Banned
I don't have an Xbox One, but the only games that will make me buy one is Gears or Lost Odyssey 2. Some of my PS4-only friends really dig Gears too from last gen. It has a better shot I feel.
gundamkyoukai
Member
The industry will have to adapt or should i say the companies .
Make games on every platform to target each consumer base.
For eg like SE is doing now and other western companies .
Yep if your a fan of AAA games they not going anywhere .
And companies making a good amount of money on DD and DLC.
R6 Seige looking good at #7 if entry into the top 10 is > 625k. Doing better than the UK. I remember the bomba thread for its debut at ~76k on the PAL chart.
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The UK doesn't like Bloodbourne. But they don't like The Order 1886, either. It kinda balances out.
Going back to the US and NPD, I'd like to know if RotTR did better than November's ~200k?
There it is.
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The UK doesn't like Bloodbourne. But they don't like The Order 1886, either. It kinda balances out.
Going back to the US and NPD, I'd like to know if RotTR did better than November's ~200k?
There it is.
Primethius
Banned
Cosmic's great post on Tomb Raider numbers: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=191300777&postcount=858
It hit 1 million WW and Greenberg wasn't lying. Let's put that to rest.
It hit 1 million WW and Greenberg wasn't lying. Let's put that to rest.
They lost completely when designed Xbox One around the "all-in-one home entertainment system" idea. Plus they thought that Kinect default was a great idea, so great that sell the console for $500 made sense.
ethomaz
Banned
It is public.
Jan 9, 2012 over 66m 360 sold https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/status/156577214014570496
Two weeks after 65.8m shipped http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=459509
I don't believe any word from him because he said sell-in = sold-through in tweeter too.
He told way more lies too.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I would say plenty of casuals are buying PS4s and Xbox Ones. Now from my own POV the 3rd party software on Wii was mostly trash so as long as the games I want keep getting made the industry is fine.
And mobile gaming is going strong so those shovelware makers are still thriving, just on a different platform
AdventureRacing
Member
I don't think this is even remotely close to being true. Game budgets have went up an order of magnitude and I can't see that being enough to make up the difference. There is a reason why you see the money being poured more and more into a few select franchises.
They're going to end up losing 20 million or more HW sales in just one generation. Meanwhile their main competitor is making huge gains. They may well up being outsold 2 to 1 this generation. In isolation the xbone isn't a complete failure. It's the general trajectory they're in that has to be a concern.
Steverulez
Member
Sure there were some people that wanted it and were disappointed perhaps it caused them some sales I didn't dispute that but even if they misinterpreted its importance, I personally didn't find it that much of an omission really and I know plenty of others that are the same.
As I said about TO though, that campaign was all there was, no co-op, no multiplayer, you cant skip the cut-scenes (which annoyed people) among other faults, that impression of doing the same thing multiple times over is something that sticks much less in a longer game which also has multiplayer modes and offers you more. Perhaps people thought the recycled content was better in Halo?
Generally speaking Halo just had a lot more gameplay variety even with the Warden fights re-appearing, I would say.
Good thing I wasn't on GAF back then. I would have had a heart attack if MGSV was exclusive.
Heh.
I mean, that was during the E3 conference, he sends out a whole bunch of tweets in a short time frame, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that it was a mistake.
But then again he's an Xbox employee, so...
Obliterator
Member
Yeah, just a total misunderstanding of what was driving their brand. They seem to be getting much better about learning where they went wrong so hopefully the next Xbox won't launch in anywhere near the state the Bone did
Sales don't back this up. The games that are pushing both consoles the most are the popular games that are available on both.
If someone took all of the 2015 PS4's exclusives away then I would still feel very confident in saying that the PS4 would have still sold similarly (NPD).
3rdamention
Member
And that NPD is United States Only...That has to be repeated over and over as well...it gets old..
SneakersSO
Member
I'm going to take a moment and commend Sony on turning their holiday sales around this year. Back in Q1 2015, I thought(and it seemed many others here on GAF as well at the time) that MS had this holiday season in the bag, especially as the months kept moving forward & things kept getting moved out of Sony's Q4 2015 & into 2016. Once E3 came & we saw the landscape of co-marketing 3rd party deals vs. 'The Greatest lineup in Xbox History', I started to think 'maybe Sony could at least close the sales gap & not lose as bad as it did last November'.
Up until August/September, Sony was absolutely the underdog in terms of sales potential for the holiday season imo. Even though the potential gap kept closing in my mind between the two for Nov & Dec, I still found myself thinking MS would be too hard to beat in NA off the backs of Halo 5 & the FO4 comarketing/bundle. And yet, here we are. Sony played the hand it was dealt masterfully.
Up until August/September, Sony was absolutely the underdog in terms of sales potential for the holiday season imo. Even though the potential gap kept closing in my mind between the two for Nov & Dec, I still found myself thinking MS would be too hard to beat in NA off the backs of Halo 5 & the FO4 comarketing/bundle. And yet, here we are. Sony played the hand it was dealt masterfully.
Primethius
Banned
Looks like an honest mistake to me. Something like that wouldn't last long on the internet so I don't even know what the purpose behind doing something like that intentionally would even be.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Halo 5 vs The Order 1866
Greenberg vs GAF
Tomb Raider vs fact that it's sold 1 million worldwide
Is the NPD thread always this much . . . fun lol
Greenberg vs GAF
Tomb Raider vs fact that it's sold 1 million worldwide
Is the NPD thread always this much . . . fun lol
TheStruggler
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Damn, sony be like
Good grief! The amount of spin in MS's PR always makes my head spin too!
AdventureRacing
Member
Is it too late though? The PS3 was a huge step backwards by Sony and gave MS the chance they needed to get a foothold in the market. Now Sony is back dominating and there is no guarantee they will make a mistake like that again. I think if Sony plays things right it will be very hard for xbox to gain much ground in the market.
Obliterator
Member
So best month ever for the Xbone, nice
Also can we talk about this line
What the hell kind of spin is that haha
Spencer at the helm, Nutella support, new Microsoft attitude, new Microsoft approach towards hardware, desperation to get back that market share, possibly launching one year earlier... should lead to great things for the next Xbox.
I'm not maupointed.
It does also include sales of 360 and PS3, which will certainly help with the unit figures. The game is the 2nd most played game on Xbox (after COD)
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Well, at that point where they designed the system 50 % of all Xbox Live useage came from media consumption apps like Netflix and Youtube and sales of 360 had just exploded because of new SKU and Kinect. Of course by the time they presented Xbox One everybody knew Kinect sucked but they didn't have the balls to delay their console and give Sony a headstart. So we got what we got.
gundamkyoukai
Member
How much more have games budget gone up comapre to last gen ?
We know that companies make over 2 times the profit on DD and that not counting DLC .
The reason for that is simple making 5 or 6 different AAA games ( since they cost so much )and 4 of them failing make no sense.
That is why companies are now investing into 1 or 2 new IP and putting everything behind to get better returns .
We were seeing that since last gen which why companies like EA cut down on the number of games they were making .
StrongBlackVine
Banned
What Top 10 selling game launched in 2015 wasn't on PlayStation? Halo 5?
That is a great spin.
dr_rus
Member
Over 6 million for UC3 and more than 21 million for UC franchise are not big? It's rather good for an exclusive on a platform which was the worst selling during most of the timeframe these games were on the shelves, don't you think?
Halo 3 sold around 15 million and as such it's unlikely to have outsold even just all UCs let alone the rest of PS3 exclusive franchises.
Welfare
Member
Took me a bit to realize what that even meant.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
It's a combination. Not just exclusive and multiplat games. His sentiment about exclusives, helping, however, makes total sense.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
The kind of spin that shows Halo 5 did not so bad after all.
piccio_ssl
Member
lol actually Halo 5 is not there
edit. now i think i see what they are doing lol
I still don't understand it.
According to the to ten of the year, it was all multiplats.
I see.
Well I also agree that at this point the UC franchise may be actually bigger than Gears, given its meteoric rise in popularity, but UC4 will really be the proof in the pudding regarding this imo.
Obliterator
Member
Lol same I had to read it like 5 times. Never count out MS PR, its a thing of beauty to read.
Infernostew
Member
I'm getting the spins from that PR statement. Jesus...
It's a combo but it's definitely not 50/50 this gen.
I would say more so 75/25 to be honest (heh).
What?