I would say that descriptions like "disgusting" and "gross" for the things you listed are very much overreactions, too. People overreact about things far too much in my opinion. That's not to say that things shouldn't be criticized, but people can be far too harsh; too negative, and not constructive. I also understand that sometimes fan service goes a bit too far and should be criticized, but I don't believe that what is in Fates is really out of line, even after having experienced it myself.
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Fire Emblem Fates' localization doesn't have the petting minigame
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People don't usually pet the faces of their coworkers or subordinates. It's creepy because we're humans and know how humans normally interact and this is not properly socialized behavior.
Deviating so drastically from normal, accepted behavior makes it appear as though it must exist as fan service of some kind, though it's honestly difficult to even see the appeal.
But again, this is the localization process at work as intended. If they do intend for this feature to seem like harmless, cute fun and the response here is "this seems weird and uncomfortable," then keeping it in goes directly against that intended purpose. To keep it in would work against artistic vision. Removing it maintains the light, fun atmosphere. That's completely effective localization doing as intended.
I mean, I can't speak for anyone, but I just find it profoundly stupid and it harms the tone of the game in my view. And seriously, petting people is pretty weird, lol. No, I don't think removing this minigame automatically turns the game into classic FE - but it's something!
And hopefully it sends a message back to NCL that this stuff is becoming increasingly unmarketable in one of their biggest regions.Elaugaufein
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Well Atlus did neglect to mention they weren't doing the DLC for the PSP version of Innocent Sin but that was a while ago now. Credit where its due Atlus has a pretty good record for acknowledging when they messed up and doing better in future,
Pancake Mix
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"Light, fun atmosphere" There'll be some amusing lines and such but this entry doesn't really have a light atmosphere, that should be pretty apparent.
Are you seriously arguing "normal behaviour" as if the game itself or the mini game need to be compared to real life? It was the one time you could interact with an effectively the only time you could see those Live2D assets. There was a lot of voice acting there too and a bit of character development.
It's fine that less content doesn't bother you but 70 page threads don't pop out of nowhere.
Elaugaufein
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Are we from different dimensions ? Every thread on this (or related) topics on GAF (except for OTs) is heavier on people criticizing than defending . And people don't tend to make implications about you being a deviant monster for liking mobile games unlike these threads tend too, where as there's about 0 instances of these threads where someone doesn't make a condescending comment about people with anime avatars.
EpitaphUnmei
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Kinda wish they would change it into a feeding emulator so you can see your animated significant other.
Edit:Feed as in feed them food
Edit:Feed as in feed them food
chaobreaker
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Like you feed you feed the characters food instead of petting them?
But the characters here are more family than co-workers. Have you forgotten what the story is about?
I realize this happens, but even though I think I'm respectful when discussing these things, I've been told I must have issues with sex, that I'm the real pervert (even though I never call anyone a pervert), that I must be easily offended, and even that my English is not good enough. And it's pretty stupid, because I can be as hyperbolic as I want regarding my dislike for, uh, QTEs or cinematic games, and I don't get any of that.
Elaugaufein
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People do seem to forget that Fire Emblem isn't really an army simulator any more than most SRPGs are. The actual people that you interact with are the inner circle and most significant characters. There's always a fuzzy implication that you have an actual army or that each character is leading a unit because the idea that an army consists of 30 people is silly.
chaosblade
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That's getting into fetish territory.
But I guess I'm also assuming there aren't people out there with face touching fetishes of some sort.
Elaugaufein
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I mean, I also don't pet my family members on the face the way I might stroke a pokemon or puppy.
But maybe that's just me.
SenorArdilla
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Astral Dog
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I can pet you if you wantI mean, I can't speak for anyone, but I just find it profoundly stupid and it harms the tone of the game in my view. And seriously, petting people is pretty weird, lol. No, I don't think removing this minigame automatically turns the game into classic FE - but it's something!
chaobreaker
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I was never a fan of the idea of this minigame being anywhere near a series like Fire Emblem so I'm glad it's gone. It's unfortunate that IS is taking Fire Emblem to this direction in the first place. All the weird dating sim stuff in Awakening I sort of begrudgingly accept since it was a last ditch effort to save the franchise but doubling down on it in Fates... Evidently was not the best idea. Really hope they take this to heart in the future.
DecoReturns
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I think the real issue here is no blue-hair lord. Corrin is not by default and it's a tragedy.
Corrin broke a 4 game streak
Corrin broke a 4 game streak
chaosblade
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Just 4? I guess Ike isn't technically a Lord in 10. But if you count that it was up to 6, with the last game without a green haired main dude being Sacred Stones. Ephraim and his lame green hair.
He also used a lance and not a sword. Ephraim was just all kinds of wrong.
D: If QTEs are gone from Shenmue, I am blaming you. Shenmue and the future of QTEs will be ruined because of people voicing their dislikes like you.
Also, mobile games are the future, lord Duckroll says so.
Anyway, reality is, I don't know if you're being selective about your reading, but I've seen defenses on all those fronts. People love Quantic Dream games, or as seen with Shenmue 3 KS, QTE adventure titles. Mobile games can actually be good, but people think otherwise.
mullet2000
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You're right, I can't believe they censored the blue hair in this one.
chaobreaker
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Alm, Leif, Eliwood, Roy, and Micaiah say hi.
Hey man, Eirika is just as much of a main character as her brother.
Hey man, Eirika is just as much of a main character as her brother.
DecoReturns
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Dude also exposes shoulders to defenseless women. That animal
I mean, I can't speak for anyone, but I just find it profoundly stupid and it harms the tone of the game in my view. And seriously, petting people is pretty weird, lol. No, I don't think removing this minigame automatically turns the game into classic FE - but it's something!
What I don't understand is how something that is totally optional negatively effects the experience for you so much.
I mean my Dad likes to watch all the extras on the dvds that he gets from the Libary, most of which seems fairly pointless to me since I usually just watch the movies themselves and skip all that.
Them being there doesn't hurt my experince of watching the movie at all, and can even be a bonus in the rare times that I decide to bother with the extra menu. Where as cutting them out entirely would be a net loss.
Me too, I mean as far as we know the personal room is still there, and considering we don't know anything about the specific changes there still isn't any info on if it's just been straight up axed or changed into something else.
Ahem.
Linkstrikesback
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Roy isn't great anyway. Him and Marth are constantly battling for worst lord from FE6-current at any rate. Not having blue hair is just another of Roy's failures
.Planeswalker
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From the videos, I don't find the mini game creepy. To be fair, I don't know what else is in the mini game but just from the videos, it doesn't seem bad. If the mini game fits the rating of the game (if the game was rated and the rating wouldn't change otherwise), then I don't think it should have been removed.
Final Fantasy XIV has the petting command (yes, the actual command is /pet).
First, I've always been more of a PC game person and I generally prefer Western games. While I did play console games a lot, I didn't get that much of an impression from Japanese games. Even though I am not much of a fan of Japanese games, I'm still interested in ways Japan tries to make their games unique.
Another thing is, most devs have always tried to figure out ways to add more to their game.
Finally, if there's something that is already in Japan in a game (that adds to the game), then it should be analyzed for what it is. Just because they took this minigame out for NA release doesn't mean it was never there in the first place. The devs still took time to implement such a mini game that JP players received.
Now, about this minigame. Honestly, it seems more goofy and funny (in a positive way) rather than creepy.
Plus, I think female players would have liked this feature. From the few videos I watched, it didn't seem creepy.
As for the integrity of the series? Let's take the Final Fantasy XIV for example.
I'm not really a fan of ARR. In fact, I prefer the original FFXIV 1.XX. While FFXIV 1.XX was clunky, it was only due to the fault of the engine, and the fatigue system and other slowness was only a way to pad the content (it didn't speak for the quality of the content itself). If it weren't for the padding of content, XIV 1.XX had lots of great and unique concepts. ARR is really the most basic types of content. Playing FFXI, WoW, FFXIV, ARR really has just the minimum amount of content with not much else going on.
Plus, there are not much customization, all the classes play the same, and the raids are just memorization. The raids in ARR don't feature much theory crafting regarding which classes to use, which abilities to use, etc. It's just don't stand in bad stuff and don't get hit, etc. It's unlike WoW which actually does (IMO) everything ARR does but better (well ARR does have a better base UI).
I find ARR to be just another MMO basically. As someone who doesn't really like "FF throwbacks" (I liked FF11 a lot more because it did its own thing; I don't want a new Final Fantasy that simply just throws as many homages to older FFs like ARR but I do understand people may like that and I am fine with it), what I find ARR is not appealing to me. However, there are some stuff that can be enjoyed in ARR and I appreciate that and I appreciate that people are having fun with the game (even though I prefer the original FFXIV 1.XX and its class system and content over ARR).
The point is though, people seem to still enjoy FFXIV ARR a lot because there's more to do than just the typical MMO gameplay in ARR. While I may not like ARR that much and prefer both FFXI and WoW, there's still a lot to like in ARR with the extra stuff.
And the reason why I am talking about A Realm Reborn is that I can also compare it to this game with FE: Fates and the dating sim and relationship mini games.
I haven't played the game but isn't removing this mini game also removing content?
If A Realm Reborn for NA release didn't have the petting emotes or housing or Goldsaucer, or various emotes, would it have been fine too?
Those things don't really affect the battle system side of ARR but there's plenty of people that enjoy that type of content and IMO, it's good that a game can offer a variety of content for a variety of people.
Finally, it's unfair to say the mini game is just for guys. I'm sure plenty of female players would have liked the mini game too. Again, I don't really find the mini game creepy. It seems goofy and funny.
Anyway, I don't think the mini game should have been removed since it was extra content.
For A Realm Reborn, I wouldn't go around saying they should remove things or focus less time on something that people enjoy. If I don't like what ARR has to offer, then I'll play WoW or FFXI (which I do play both). If there's something unique in ARR (for example), then why take it out to make it a clone of another game? While I wanted an updated version of FFXIV 1.XX (it wasn't Tanaka's fault but the fact that he had to use an MMO unfriendly engine and he also had to pad the content since he wasn't given much of a budget), there's still stuff that other people like that ARR has that other MMOs do not have.
Same here with this mini game. To be fair, I don't know everything that the mini game has (or how much content it has by itself) but from the videos I've seen, it doesn't seem creepy.
Final Fantasy XIV has the petting command (yes, the actual command is /pet).
First, I've always been more of a PC game person and I generally prefer Western games. While I did play console games a lot, I didn't get that much of an impression from Japanese games. Even though I am not much of a fan of Japanese games, I'm still interested in ways Japan tries to make their games unique.
Another thing is, most devs have always tried to figure out ways to add more to their game.
Finally, if there's something that is already in Japan in a game (that adds to the game), then it should be analyzed for what it is. Just because they took this minigame out for NA release doesn't mean it was never there in the first place. The devs still took time to implement such a mini game that JP players received.
Now, about this minigame. Honestly, it seems more goofy and funny (in a positive way) rather than creepy.
Plus, I think female players would have liked this feature. From the few videos I watched, it didn't seem creepy.
As for the integrity of the series? Let's take the Final Fantasy XIV for example.
I'm not really a fan of ARR. In fact, I prefer the original FFXIV 1.XX. While FFXIV 1.XX was clunky, it was only due to the fault of the engine, and the fatigue system and other slowness was only a way to pad the content (it didn't speak for the quality of the content itself). If it weren't for the padding of content, XIV 1.XX had lots of great and unique concepts. ARR is really the most basic types of content. Playing FFXI, WoW, FFXIV, ARR really has just the minimum amount of content with not much else going on.
Plus, there are not much customization, all the classes play the same, and the raids are just memorization. The raids in ARR don't feature much theory crafting regarding which classes to use, which abilities to use, etc. It's just don't stand in bad stuff and don't get hit, etc. It's unlike WoW which actually does (IMO) everything ARR does but better (well ARR does have a better base UI).
I find ARR to be just another MMO basically. As someone who doesn't really like "FF throwbacks" (I liked FF11 a lot more because it did its own thing; I don't want a new Final Fantasy that simply just throws as many homages to older FFs like ARR but I do understand people may like that and I am fine with it), what I find ARR is not appealing to me. However, there are some stuff that can be enjoyed in ARR and I appreciate that and I appreciate that people are having fun with the game (even though I prefer the original FFXIV 1.XX and its class system and content over ARR).
The point is though, people seem to still enjoy FFXIV ARR a lot because there's more to do than just the typical MMO gameplay in ARR. While I may not like ARR that much and prefer both FFXI and WoW, there's still a lot to like in ARR with the extra stuff.
And the reason why I am talking about A Realm Reborn is that I can also compare it to this game with FE: Fates and the dating sim and relationship mini games.
I haven't played the game but isn't removing this mini game also removing content?
If A Realm Reborn for NA release didn't have the petting emotes or housing or Goldsaucer, or various emotes, would it have been fine too?
Those things don't really affect the battle system side of ARR but there's plenty of people that enjoy that type of content and IMO, it's good that a game can offer a variety of content for a variety of people.
Finally, it's unfair to say the mini game is just for guys. I'm sure plenty of female players would have liked the mini game too. Again, I don't really find the mini game creepy. It seems goofy and funny.
Anyway, I don't think the mini game should have been removed since it was extra content.
For A Realm Reborn, I wouldn't go around saying they should remove things or focus less time on something that people enjoy. If I don't like what ARR has to offer, then I'll play WoW or FFXI (which I do play both). If there's something unique in ARR (for example), then why take it out to make it a clone of another game? While I wanted an updated version of FFXIV 1.XX (it wasn't Tanaka's fault but the fact that he had to use an MMO unfriendly engine and he also had to pad the content since he wasn't given much of a budget), there's still stuff that other people like that ARR has that other MMOs do not have.
Same here with this mini game. To be fair, I don't know everything that the mini game has (or how much content it has by itself) but from the videos I've seen, it doesn't seem creepy.
DecoReturns
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Nah.Roy isn't great anyway. Him and Marth are constantly battling for worst lord from FE6-current at any rate. Not having blue hair is just another of Roy's failures
sorakirosaki
Member
Nah.
thats just arenaed roy no normal roy would be that good >> (jk but seriously tho roys growths really arent that great) imo (but it was probably just rngesus
DecoReturns
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Nah.
It just took him a million chapters.
WrenchNinja
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It's nice not having a godtier protagonist
sorakirosaki
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true but when your protag can die early unless some work is put into him/her (looking at you miciah they end up just being a detriment )
What weird dating sim stuff? The confession scenes? Those can only happen once per playthrough, so...
Couldn't picture it unless they got Taro Yoko to direct an FE.
This leads me to wonder whether people who complained about Robin in Awakening are fine with Corrin, even though it's now a case of the story revolving entirely around the player avatar, as opposed to sharing the spotlight with a lord.
Palculator
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Linkstrikesback
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In a way that sums up my feelings.
I'm generally against content removal in any case, though I'd also be fine if they actually just replaced it with something else since face rubbing just really doesn't fit the genre, even if it's just weird rather than pokemon-level creepy.
Pokémon aren't supposed to be humans, fire emblem characters are. And if they're equivalents in your mind then the brutal forced fighting system and slave trade of pokemin are far bigger issues before then.
Pokémon are more like pets in peoples minds which is why there wasn't as much fuss, in the same way nobody was offended by rubbing a Nintendog in the those games.
Elaugaufein
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The portrayal of Pokemon is wildly inconsistent. It ranges from basically animal (like Skitty) to far beyond human intelligence (the Pokedex description of pretty much any fully-evolved psychic type) depending on where you look. There was actually a team of pokemon movers operating pretty much independent of human supervision in the opening of Ruby/Sapphire.
The general standard seems to treat them as very intelligent pets.
In a way that sums up my feelings.
I'm generally against content removal in any case, though I'd also be fine if they actually just replaced it with something else since face rubbing just really doesn't fit the genre, even if it's just weird rather than pokemon-level creepy.
Petting one of the humanoid creatures in Pokemon is one thing, after all they are pets. Petting a bunch of soldiers? It doesn't fit with Fire Emblem and should never have been included in the first place. Leave that rubbish in LovePlus where it belongs. Just because it was in the Japanese version doesn't mean it was a good idea.
Going so far to treat the humanoid Pokémon as Pets rubs me the wrong way.
And considering that some Pokémon used to be Humans doesn't make this any better.
WrenchNinja
Member
Do you really want to take pokedex entries as fact given how incredibly unreliable and nonsensical they can be
I tell you what, you pick up a Spoink to stop it from bouncing and we'll see if its heart really does stop or not.
WrenchNinja
Member
Welp
This argument does not answer the image though, it answers only the comparisons of the 2 minigames concepts.
I do agree it's kind of stretching the thing and it doesn't completely hold up, but since it's been unfairly dismissed all the time it has been brought up I'm interested in a proper answer.
How is touching someone's face less acceptable than touching a pet's intimate parts?
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