Superman as a character is great, Superman as protrayed in Man of Steel is crap and ideally they will improve it in BvS but again nobody knows if he will be any better.
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Rumor: Warner Brothers rethinking entire DC film slate based on Batman v Superman
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Technically, I got this news from Twitter. Didn't see it was being discussed in that thread until now.
But some of that fits if McWeeny's right, and they really did announce this film only 2 days after coming up with it.
I think Warner has a problem that this entire slate seems to have be born simply out of their need to have something to compete with Marvel with as opposed to having some good ideas of building blocks to start with.
Father_Brain
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Unsurprisingly, the people dismissing this are largely the same folks who attacked a report from effin' THR as though it were a rumor on a random fansite.
Well, one way or another, we'll find out in the next couple months. BVS certainly won't bomb, but I don't think it's necessarily the shoo-in for a billion worldwide that many assume it is.
Well, one way or another, we'll find out in the next couple months. BVS certainly won't bomb, but I don't think it's necessarily the shoo-in for a billion worldwide that many assume it is.
shortsFortallPeople
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for all we know, they just polished everything having to do with batman and left the rest of the script as is
So?
Sibersk Esto
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WB will not have any problem getting a successful batman film, they can market it in their sleep. Hell, man of steel's marketing played up its connection to nolan's bat films as hard as it could.
But if WB's expectations for BvS are "drum up interest in the entice DC cinematic universe, yes including the non batman ones", then maybe they would have some worry over whether or not it succeeds in that regard.
Anyone who thought the current DC slate wasn't going to lean heavily towards Batman and keep Superman as a justice league attraction until further notice was just kidding themselves tbh.
But if WB's expectations for BvS are "drum up interest in the entice DC cinematic universe, yes including the non batman ones", then maybe they would have some worry over whether or not it succeeds in that regard.
Anyone who thought the current DC slate wasn't going to lean heavily towards Batman and keep Superman as a justice league attraction until further notice was just kidding themselves tbh.
No Batman is the RDJ of DC. We just got lucky that Affleck understood how to play Batman.
Maybe Bobby can correct me on this but I think that WB at the start wanted Superman to the be the center point of the DCCU. But Batman did what Batman always does and out shined everyone else in the film. I think the statement from Drew "people do not understand what to do with this film" should be more of, "oh shit we backed the wrong horse and we need to scramble to make it right again."
If you watch the discussion, you'd see that the trailer was what they began talking about, at which point they start discussing some of the rumors swirling around.
George Miller's Justice League was axed only weeks or days before it started production.
This also wouldn't necessarily be a cancellation. He's guessing that there would be a delay for some retooling.
Omnipowerful characters don't really work well in films. They had to incapacitate Professor X in the original X-Men films (especially in 2 and 3) because he's too powerful.
shortsFortallPeople
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it wouldn't be the first time that Justice League got postponed or outright canceled deep into preproduction. Just ask George Miller
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
I imagine the same amount that the Wachowski get?
Donner
Seriously. Build us a Bat Family/Rogues universe and leave hints of other DC heroes. Making Batman the centerpiece adds a human element and makes the rest of the DCU that much more fantastic.
The problem here is that they started this by using Man of Steel as an afterthought, when it's tone already seemed off to support the World's Finest.
Colonel Nasty
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This is a good thing, give the keys to Ben and get rid of Snyder.
The latest trailer was better than the last one, but it did leave me with the feeling that they would have been much better off with a solo Batman film, as that footage looked substantially better than anything else they've shown off thus far. Snyder also hasn't exactly hid his preferences in the past, especially with how he's gone on about wanting to do an adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns, which this seems to draw a lot from.
I feel like the DCCU creative team came to this whole "catch-up to Marvel" factor with the wrong approach, and they're only now seeing why with something that's already a done deal.
I feel like the DCCU creative team came to this whole "catch-up to Marvel" factor with the wrong approach, and they're only now seeing why with something that's already a done deal.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Batman has been the only good looking parts of all the trailers, so whatever. I like Snyder, but if this movie isn't wayyyy better than Man of Steel, I'd be grateful for him getting the boot.
MDSLKTR
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Awfully perfect timing, gotta compensate somehow
To be fair, all he says is
"I've heard bad things about the film from people who've seen it
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Everything else is prefaced by "what I think will happen is..." So he's not saying he heard the JL slate will be looked at again, he's predicting. Like an analyst.
An analyst that I don't believe.
"I've heard bad things about the film from people who've seen it
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Everything else is prefaced by "what I think will happen is..." So he's not saying he heard the JL slate will be looked at again, he's predicting. Like an analyst.
An analyst that I don't believe.
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Lord Virgin
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As long as he keeps delivering amazing movies like MoS and now possibly BvS: never. Also, this story is just bullshit. Snyder is legit.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
So is McWeeny reliable? Has anyone corroborated what he's said? Can't say I believe it when they've seemingly already set out a rough plan for the cinematic universe.
Even in that context, both those movies seem more thought-through. They are smaller flagships with good angle and more talent.
Indeed, doesn't
Superman end with the time travel and Superman II with Superman killing three depowered Kryptonians?
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
So Doomsday isn't really needed in the movie at all, then, since reports like this, and the GAF faithful, are filling that role nicely? Snyder fucking up again.
styl3s
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As much as i love Batman and love the idea of having them both in a movie and having TDKR elements i just want a fucking Man of Steel 2 sequel.
I want a sequel that is just Superman dealing with superman shit.
Sir_Crocodile
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Christopher Reeve was pretty good.
Dean Cain is by far the best live action superman. Lois & Clark pretty much nailed the character, but of course they had a lot more screen time to tell the story.
Future Foundation
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Where was this mentioned in that video?
Smokey_Run
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Chris Nolan and The Dark Knight say hi.
diffusionx
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Bobby Roberts
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Superman is the centerpoint, via Man of Steel. They needed that to work (and it did... enough) in order to move forward. Batman v. Superman (fucking stupid name) is more or less a Man of Steel sequel, but they're absolutely selling it as a Batman movie w/ Superman in it. Which it might have become once Affleck got Terrio in there. It's still hard to tell whose movie this ultimately belongs to, even though the basic structure of the film's been out there for awhile thanks to Faraci having read the script and basically laid out the major plot beatsnothing surprising at all, considering who is in the film and where it has to lead to. But nobody's going to this thing for its fucking plot anyway.
But this movie doesn't happen unless Man of Steel happens, and key aspects of the film's universe are rooted in that. The climax of that film plays heavily into how and why people are doing what they're doing in this one. Everything traces back to Superman's first day on the job in Metropolis, basically. he's the bullseye at the center of this universe.
BUUUUUUUT: It's entirely possible, if the WB as Reactionary Executives narrative does hold true, that they're nervous about this version of Superman they're putting forward being that anchor, especially when confronted with a Batman in Affleck who is consistently bringing them successes both critically and financially, and the reaction to Suicide Squad, which is very much Batman-centric without actually being a Batman movie.
It becomes a question as to whether Warner Brothers has decided to short their own investment in Superman.
That's my own thoughts, hence why I say things like "It seems to me".
I could be reading into things incorrectly. I urge everyone to watch the clip and form your own conclusions.
I posted this in the 'final trailer' thread but the discussion seems to have moved over here....,
If WB are going to 'change' their DC slate it's going to be stuff like Cyborg and Green Lantern Corps, projects that are scheduled for years from now and haven't even started hiring creatives yet. But even then that's a far fetched 'maybe' in a worst case scenario.
Remember that WB announced their DCU slate to Wall Street because they are going to make it the cornerstone of the studio's slate moving forward? This is a major part of their game plan going forward. Jeff Bewkes (head of Time Warner) talked about the film at the corporation's quarterly report Q&A literally just the other day.
For them to suddenly scrap more than half a dozen films based on the 'mixed' feedback on early BvS screenings (or whatever) is nonsense. I can't even conceive of a situation where this would happen. It would literally have to be an apocalyptic event for them to change direction at this point.
Drew McWeeny is one of the better film writers out there but I think it's worth noting that beyond various bits of industry gossip he's playing catch up like the rest of us with a lot of the news he writes about coming from the trades...., just like us.
But to give his 'news' a little more framing I have no idea what he means when he says that Wonder Woman "will be finished the way they are working on it and they'll release it". Really Drew, you think that they will release a super expensive film that's in the middle of filming? Great insight, man.
The way he talks about Justice League getting cancelled and Zack Snyder being shunted out of the door entirely can only mean that BvS is absolutely terrible and is going to bomb because given what I know about the studio and the way the brass loves Snyder it would have to be a John Carter sized bomb for that to happen.
For what it's worth, a few years ago Warners were nervous about one of their sequels before it was due to be released. At an internal studio screening many people thought that it was too close to Michael Mann's crime thriller Heat and it strayed away from the original film and the source material. I suppose you could say that the opinions were mixed.
That film was
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In short, we'll see for ourselves soon enough.
If WB are going to 'change' their DC slate it's going to be stuff like Cyborg and Green Lantern Corps, projects that are scheduled for years from now and haven't even started hiring creatives yet. But even then that's a far fetched 'maybe' in a worst case scenario.
Remember that WB announced their DCU slate to Wall Street because they are going to make it the cornerstone of the studio's slate moving forward? This is a major part of their game plan going forward. Jeff Bewkes (head of Time Warner) talked about the film at the corporation's quarterly report Q&A literally just the other day.
For them to suddenly scrap more than half a dozen films based on the 'mixed' feedback on early BvS screenings (or whatever) is nonsense. I can't even conceive of a situation where this would happen. It would literally have to be an apocalyptic event for them to change direction at this point.
Drew McWeeny is one of the better film writers out there but I think it's worth noting that beyond various bits of industry gossip he's playing catch up like the rest of us with a lot of the news he writes about coming from the trades...., just like us.
But to give his 'news' a little more framing I have no idea what he means when he says that Wonder Woman "will be finished the way they are working on it and they'll release it". Really Drew, you think that they will release a super expensive film that's in the middle of filming? Great insight, man.
The way he talks about Justice League getting cancelled and Zack Snyder being shunted out of the door entirely can only mean that BvS is absolutely terrible and is going to bomb because given what I know about the studio and the way the brass loves Snyder it would have to be a John Carter sized bomb for that to happen.
For what it's worth, a few years ago Warners were nervous about one of their sequels before it was due to be released. At an internal studio screening many people thought that it was too close to Michael Mann's crime thriller Heat and it strayed away from the original film and the source material. I suppose you could say that the opinions were mixed.
That film was
The Dark Knight
In short, we'll see for ourselves soon enough.
Good Job Bob
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Get Zack Snyder as far away from these films as possible. Fast track a Ben Affleck directed Batman film to gain some good will from the public. Give Superman to George Miller if he's up for it and let him do whatever he wants.
karasu
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Those shows had terrible versions of Superman in the beginning. he suffered there for the same reason he always suffers. Batman was Bruce Timm's favorite character so the entire universe was fixed around Batman and everyone else looked pretty stupid.
Escape Goat
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I liked how Batman was used in DC New Frontier. He was investigating all these people.
"I need a space rock to stop the alien from metropolis. For you all I need is a matchbook."
Interfectum
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TBH, trying to mimic what Marvel is doing with the Avengers is dumb.
Batman is, by far, their most interesting property. A stand alone Batman flick and Suicide Squad would have done amazing especially if they shared some elements.
This BvS / Wonder Women / JL shit is gonna be overkill.
Batman is, by far, their most interesting property. A stand alone Batman flick and Suicide Squad would have done amazing especially if they shared some elements.
This BvS / Wonder Women / JL shit is gonna be overkill.
Zen_Arcade
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Them taking Snyder off would be great. Them retooling everything and trying to reboot Batman again before making movies about new characters would not. There's no reason they need to make another Batman series of movies. At least not before they establish new characters.
The mention of getting rid of Snyder is too good to be true. I think all of it is just a rumor.
The mention of getting rid of Snyder is too good to be true. I think all of it is just a rumor.
That is the one where Superman A. wants to be Clark Kent and B. wants to save regular people as much as possible. Seems to fit better.
Sibersk Esto
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DC themselves have had a hell of a time justifying Superman's existence for decades, it wouldn't surprise me that WB has reservations.
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