A lot of it is probably driven by executives who don't understand DC or comics, and all they see is a company with Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, these super recognizable characters, and Marvel is fucking eating their lunch with B-tier properties like Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-man.
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Rumor: Warner Brothers rethinking entire DC film slate based on Batman v Superman
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A lot of it is probably driven by executives who don't understand DC or comics, and all they see is a company with Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, these super recognizable characters, and Marvel is fucking eating their lunch with B-tier properties like Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-man.
Seriously. I will laugh and laugh if Zack Snyder is out.
One of the bigger rumors in the past couple of months was that the Cyborg film got dropped in favor of reworking him back into Teen Titans, which does seem to also feed into the idea of shifting everything DCCU to a Batman center.
Justice League Animated Superman will always be best Superman.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=etPYl1OQoqk
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ecAvYw1URFc
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-mTY737FRl4
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XacMk-B-m6k
WB is clueless for not making Superman act like this.
Liquidsnake
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UnemployedVillain
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Soo, another case of Snyder being able to make hype inducing trailers, but his films not delivering? Dammit
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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This is the same company that couldn't even get a Superman film released for almost 20 years.
evil solrac v3.0
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a "rumor" written by a guy with a shitty "no jokes policy" article confirming the bias of know-it-alls.
brucewaynegretzky
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I love the guy who's never worked in a movie studio commenting about how a movie studio should be run.
bananafactory
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Not surprising. Bruce Wayne/Batfleck look amazing but everything else seems like a mess, and I really don't like their take on Superman.
Bobby Roberts
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shortsFortallPeople
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yeah, Bruce Timm's supes is really well done, too.
(Trigger warning: I compare DC and Marvel - the last time I wrote something similar I dug up some weird fanboy butthurt, which I have zero vested interest in)
I can only speak to my own tastes, but its always looked way too “grimdark” and edgy for its own good. Dark works for Batman, but Superman looks and feels out of place in this cinematic universe (to me).
The trailer is enjoyable, and I appreciate the weird touches (young Lex, Doomsday is somehow Zod?), but DC’s suits continue to lack any kind of compelling vision beyond their merchandise selling in Hot Topic. Meanwhile Marvel made a household name out of Guardians of the Galaxy, which which I never would have expected. Get a diverse color palette and look to the people who actually know and care about these characters, instead of trying to make everything look like Batman. Super heroes can be serious, but they're also fun and funny too.
I can only speak to my own tastes, but its always looked way too “grimdark” and edgy for its own good. Dark works for Batman, but Superman looks and feels out of place in this cinematic universe (to me).
The trailer is enjoyable, and I appreciate the weird touches (young Lex, Doomsday is somehow Zod?), but DC’s suits continue to lack any kind of compelling vision beyond their merchandise selling in Hot Topic. Meanwhile Marvel made a household name out of Guardians of the Galaxy, which which I never would have expected. Get a diverse color palette and look to the people who actually know and care about these characters, instead of trying to make everything look like Batman. Super heroes can be serious, but they're also fun and funny too.
Fudgepuppy
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I always get the sense that Snyder comes from that school of comic-nerds that are super in to the super weird and absurd aspects of comics, rather than storytelling itself.
I can just imagine from behind the scenes, WB putting too much faith in to him, then realizing too late that Snyder's just that nerd who wants to show the masses how absurd and crazy comics can get.
I can just imagine from behind the scenes, WB putting too much faith in to him, then realizing too late that Snyder's just that nerd who wants to show the masses how absurd and crazy comics can get.
Future Foundation
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I gotcha, I gotcha.
Yep. Look how long that previous bogus rumour lasted across general discussion on the internet (probably right up until the Suicide Squad trailer for most). I see no reason to believe the guy again this time.
Lactose_Intolerant
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Superman is just a boring character.
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Lord Virgin
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GAF is full of brilliant, big dick, rich, intelligent playboys who can do pretty much anything. Don't you know? I love the hyperbole, one rumor by some dude struggling to breath who isn't trustworthy and they jump on it as if it will save their life. The irrational hate is just dumb, after a while it should be clear whatever they're doing over at DC isn't your cup of tea. Just ignore it.
No. He's really not.
Superman is the quintessential superhero - he's been done well many, many times before. Just not here, and and definitely not in Snyder’s hands.
Good. I've always felt that we should have been receiving a dedicated Affleck Batman film before the start of the JL films.
I want to see a film that revolves around Affleck's Batman and Leto's Joker.
Colonel Nasty
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Geez man I can feel you persecution complex from here. Don't you want the best movies possible if BvS is lukewarm shouldn't they mix things up?
It hurts when the internet version of the best movies possible are Ironman, Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy.
N7Commander95
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People here are so quick to assume bad news is automatically the truth
Smokey_Run
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What I don't get is what has changed over the past couple months? It seems like common knowledge they've been sitting on the film because they barely missed their 2015 release date. I think Snyder even commented in an interview towards the end of last year that most of his time was being spent on JL preproduction at that point cause BvS was more or less done.
If they were worried about it, things would have been put on hold before they went any further with Wonder Woman and JL preproduction.
Warner Bros had a terrible 2015 and need to make money. This reeks of suits worried about making $1.2 billion when they wanted to make $1.5 billion.
The best part is past negative rumors are just now established facts.
If they were worried about it, things would have been put on hold before they went any further with Wonder Woman and JL preproduction.
Warner Bros had a terrible 2015 and need to make money. This reeks of suits worried about making $1.2 billion when they wanted to make $1.5 billion.
The best part is past negative rumors are just now established facts.
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Lord Virgin
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What are you on about?
Zen_Arcade
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This is exactly why people think Superman is boring.
Clark Kent is a good character. Pretty much everything related to the "Super" part of Superman is painfully dull.
Liquidsnake
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No hes not, thats such an easy way out. Why does everyone say that, a god walking the earth is not boring, its fascinating.
Colonel Nasty
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You don't think an Affleck or Miller led Justice League would be better than Snyder?
broncobuster
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How so? The rumor puts Eisenberg in league with Affleck as high points. Lex Luthor is arguably the most controversial element in the film.
Case in point.
oooooooooookay...
What's that ?
I think it's nostalgia speaking tbh.
And yeah Lois and Clark is the closest thing to what Superman should be but it's a TV show, not a movie.
Honestly no one ever got Superman right in a movie so I don't blame Snyder for failing.
Future Foundation
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Drew's been getting some shit from people saying he has an "agenda". Dude's been a Snyder defender forever (he fucking loved/loves Man of Steel), and it's sorta shitty seeing him get jammed by oversensitive fanboys.
Also, it's becoming very obvious who's watched the video in the OP and who's just jumping in without knowing what the fuck is going on. And I mean that on both sides of "fandom".
Also, it's becoming very obvious who's watched the video in the OP and who's just jumping in without knowing what the fuck is going on. And I mean that on both sides of "fandom".
Well, good or bad, nothing's indicated that there's been any internal power struggle that would have BvS itself be chopped up by hands that aren't Snyder's or his team.
It wouldn't have surprised me if there were rumblings about BvS being edited in a manner to focus more on Batman.
But who knows, maybe it's already that as it is.
It wouldn't have surprised me if there were rumblings about BvS being edited in a manner to focus more on Batman.
But who knows, maybe it's already that as it is.
Hey, I liked Man of Steel. I saw it multiple times in the theater, and I own it.
Is it the Superman film I wanted? No, not really.
I posted this because it's a possibly interesting bit of rumor-mongering and makes for good discussion.
Trust me, I would love nothing more than for Batman v Superman to be amazing.
It's probably not going to be a movie that deserves to win awards but neither was The Avengers.
Even if the film was mediocre I don't see what that would change.
As for their DC movie slate that was ridiculous from the go. Cyborg solo movie in 2020? Why? For who? I don't even know if you can say they're rethinking the DC film slate, because it didn't seem like they were thinking about it the first time around.
Even if the film was mediocre I don't see what that would change.
As for their DC movie slate that was ridiculous from the go. Cyborg solo movie in 2020? Why? For who? I don't even know if you can say they're rethinking the DC film slate, because it didn't seem like they were thinking about it the first time around.
shortsFortallPeople
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Naw, like has been pointed out in this thread, supes has been done well in both the Donner film and the animated series.
I mean we live in a world where boring-as-fuck captain america is on his third film and his film version is pretty damn good and faithful to the comics. The problem with the DCU supes is that he's like a shitty Frank Miller version which already is kinda shitty really
BFIB
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Its very hard to write Superman, much less, put him on the big screen. Reeves Superman is probably the best we've gotten (although I really like MoS), but that Superman doesn't fit well with today's Superheroes. You gotta have some level of conflict, and there's plenty there for Superman, its just that no one has written him well enough.
Give me a Superman/Brainiac movie anyday over a Zod/Lex Luthor villain.
EDIT: It also didn't help that Goyer took Nolan's Batmanverse, and pretty much used it as the canvas for MoS.
Give me a Superman/Brainiac movie anyday over a Zod/Lex Luthor villain.
EDIT: It also didn't help that Goyer took Nolan's Batmanverse, and pretty much used it as the canvas for MoS.
NeoGold123
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I agree. I was skeptical about Batfleck, but I watched Daredevil again recently, and while it definitely isn't the best movie, I could definitely echoes of Batman in Affleck's performance, and it wasn't bad at all. And since we can see from the BvS trailer that this is an experienced Batman, I would love to see something with the Jason Todd storyline as a kind of prequel movie. That and the Knightfall arc have always been powerful Batman storytelling.
BocoDragon
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Snyder gritty Superman is a fundamentally flawed concept. They're still taking the wrong message from the success of the Nolanverse.
I like Cyborg but him getting a movie before a Teen Titans joint will forever mystify me.
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