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Rumor: Warner Brothers rethinking entire DC film slate based on Batman v Superman
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Trailer was interesting enough when it seemed to explore Batman and Superman as antagonists. Then it tossed in aliens, Doomsday, Lex Luthor, Wonderwoman and I tuned out. Too much bloat. Like the Ultron movie it struck me as another attempt to please manbabies by dumping an entire toy box over their heads rather making a good movie.
Yeah - that's right. He threw his weight behind Goyer's pitch, and then helped WB pick a director. He went with Snyder based off Watchmen, which is fair enough I suppose. Duncan Jones was another contender.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Goyer's original concept focused more heavily on Lois's POV as she sort of retraces Superman's steps across the globe for a story she's working on. Meanwhile, Clark travels from place to place (ala Bruce in Batman Begins) questioning his role as a hero and whether or not humanity is worth saving. Similar to what we got, but it's clear that some of that got diluted in the rewrites.
I am scared of what they will do to the concept
Bobby Roberts
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"jobber" is in the early lead for "most overused term of 2016," taking the title from "lore" in 2015.
Dash_Riprock
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Its why I've always hated these stupid "VS" crossovers: be it comics or shit like AvP: you always have to make one side weaker/dumber/meaner than they'd normally be. The only time I've seen a VS pulled off well is Freddy vs Jason. It saddens me that 10+ years later that is still the case.
What about "cringe?"
Stupid wrestling nerds ruining everything
Sibersk Esto
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Who says pro wrestling isn't relevant amiright
KoruptData
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Ding ding ding. Common sense alert.
Tal Shiar Agent
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GAF is the only place I've seen the term and GAF has a disproportionate amount of pro wrestling fans. Most people grow out of it when they are kids.
SillyEskimo
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White, overweight, neck beard, labored breathing...his credentials are rock solid.
He makes some interesting points and his opinion is kind of a touch stone for anyone that has heard similar rumblings.
He makes some interesting points and his opinion is kind of a touch stone for anyone that has heard similar rumblings.
Agreed. Given that WB are coming out of self confessed transitional year in 2015 that turned out worse than anyone could imagine I'm sure that they are worried about the first real test of their new DCU slate and the arguable the first true 'AAA', general audience franchise film that the studio has released since The LEGO Movie*.
* - Off the top of my head, it's late and I can't be bothered doing the research.
I wouldn't be surprised if these are just internal worries. 2015 was dreadful for WB and the executives are on thin ice. A lot is banking on BvS hitting hard. Also there are rumors of a hostile takeover of WB.
TheDinoman
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The very idea of doing Batman v. Superman this early really bothers me.
The thing is, the Marvel Cinematic Universe had to slowly build and establish its universe and characters before doing its grand crossover with The Avengers. First an Iron Man movie, then a Hulk movie, then another Iron Man movie, then a Thor movie, then a Captain America movie, and THEN The Avengers.
But here in the DC Extended Universe, we've had one Superman movie, and now already we're getting this big crossover that just abruptly throws in Batman, Wonder Woman, Doomsday, etc into one singular film. This is something you'll supposed to build up to, not just throw everything in but the kitchen sink.
The thing is, the Marvel Cinematic Universe had to slowly build and establish its universe and characters before doing its grand crossover with The Avengers. First an Iron Man movie, then a Hulk movie, then another Iron Man movie, then a Thor movie, then a Captain America movie, and THEN The Avengers.
But here in the DC Extended Universe, we've had one Superman movie, and now already we're getting this big crossover that just abruptly throws in Batman, Wonder Woman, Doomsday, etc into one singular film. This is something you'll supposed to build up to, not just throw everything in but the kitchen sink.
While it's silly to think that the entire Justice League movie plans could shift this late when we're only 2 months away from shooting, I could honestly believe Warner being this reactionary simply on account of the entire reason BvS existing in this form being that Man of Steel didn't work the way they wanted in spite of the money it made. Rather than trying to work around the issues for the sequel it felt like they wanted to solve the issue by just throwing Batman into the mix. It's almost the exact opposite issue of the problem Marvel faced when making Iron Man 2 where it felt like they rushed out a sequel after the first one did so well, even though story-wise it just ended up feeling like a feature length trailer for The Avengers.
While I agree that Marvel had a far superior build up I don't think there's any preset rules to abide to when it comes to building a cinematic universe. Unless I'm mistaken that's the idea DC was originally planning on doing but it backfired heavily after Green Lantern failed, and then they moved all their chips onto Man of Steel as the starting point.
They could easily have gone with making a reverse formula by starting off with Justice League from the start and working their way to the individual movies afterwards, mostly because I feel like the common audience has less issues in needing to understand most of DC's characters. Superman and Batman are easily the most ingrained heroes of all time and I don't really think they need much explaining in order to work. That's why they have no qualms in throwing Batman into this sequel so willy nilly. The important part here is mostly churning out a good movie but it seems like for the most of the part, WB has been less than pleased with all of their big titles that aren't about Batman.
While I agree that Marvel had a far superior build up I don't think there's any preset rules to abide to when it comes to building a cinematic universe. Unless I'm mistaken that's the idea DC was originally planning on doing but it backfired heavily after Green Lantern failed, and then they moved all their chips onto Man of Steel as the starting point.
They could easily have gone with making a reverse formula by starting off with Justice League from the start and working their way to the individual movies afterwards, mostly because I feel like the common audience has less issues in needing to understand most of DC's characters. Superman and Batman are easily the most ingrained heroes of all time and I don't really think they need much explaining in order to work. That's why they have no qualms in throwing Batman into this sequel so willy nilly. The important part here is mostly churning out a good movie but it seems like for the most of the part, WB has been less than pleased with all of their big titles that aren't about Batman.
Give me a break. Drew McWeeny is legit.
Most people haven't grown out of Star Wars in forty years baby girl. Kids entertainment is what appeals to the average adult of today. And you better balee dat.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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WB should have been worried after MoS.
Embrace the carny folk vernacular. Pretty soon we'll be talking about how WB "worked themselves into a shoot" by trusting Snyder.
Surprisingly the only two things in the movie that look bad to me are Affleck and Eisenberg, and this claims those are the two things people love. I'm in the minority though-everyone seems to like Ben Affleck all of a sudden.
I know right? Drew is like the original movie scoop leaker on the Internet.
I know right? Drew is like the original movie scoop leaker on the Internet.
The Silver
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All I know is is Cyborg is the Captain Marvel of DC, stop trying to make him happen.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Well compare the situations. Superman and Batman, with Wonder Woman to a lesser extent are cultural icons unlike anything Marvel has (except Spider-Man and maybe Captain America).
Iron Man, Thor, and the like were relative unknowns.
Future Foundation
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Superman throwing Batman through a wall (after catching his kick), pushing him through a building, wrecking his car (and telling him his shit was over) makes him a jobber?
That word is quickly joining "bomb/bomba" in the "words some GAF members use and have no fucking clue how they work" list.
i think the bigger problem is that marvel had multiple movies ranging from ok to good, whereas man of steel was rotten garbage
Pai Pai Master
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It definitely hasn't been all of a sudden.
If you think people generally dislike Ben Affleck, you're probably only getting that opinion from people obsessed with how bad Daredevil or Gigli was or something. He's genuinely well received in most films he's a part of.
Discotheque
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yeah he's been on that whole redemption tip since gone baby gone in 07. nobody hates him anymore.
his career was BLEAK during the j-lo period though for sure.
Yeah I agree, they seem too quick to jump on The Avengers train because they are scared it's going to leave the station but when they get there, they realize they've forgotten the ticket.
The idea of Batman vs Superman already seems difficult to write by default. Probably shouldn't rush these things just so it can be a 2 hour advertisement for Justice League.
Bobby Roberts
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Hah, that should actually be the name of the trophy.
"And the winner of 2016's Bomba Trophy is... JOBBER! "
(insert chain of quoted posts mangling the term in as nonsensical/unfunny a manner as possible)
Discotheque
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nope. i love this way of world building. suicide squad looks to do it right by kind of just throwing well established characters into the shit with a history.
just because this movie looks iffy doesn't mean the approach is wrong. we've been through like 12 marvel movies. now you want like 4 DC movies to lead to a teamup? lol no thanks. the approach is perfectly fine, whether the execution is good or not is a different story.
Sibersk Esto
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Even Wrasslegaf misuses jobber, what hope does the common man have?
Future Foundation
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Know what? The wrestling terms actually make sense considering how badly people are getting fucking worked by billion dollar companies.
I disagree.
If this movie fails, it will fail because the details of the writing are poor. The approach they are taking is very solid.
Both Batman and Superman are well enough understood to make this work in context of the obscene amounts of destruction from the first movie.
Handling Wonder Woman is a matter of approach. If she acts as a sort of mediator, then there is no issue with her. She can be mysterious until her movie gives us more context.
Doomsday is the only questionable thing here. And If he is tied into Zod as we think he is, then again, no issue.
If WB ever get to 'Death of Superman', the movie will benefit tremendously from not having Doomsday as the main antagonist.
-Plasma Reus-
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This all sounds like bullshit.
You think they'll care about reviews in any aspect? If BvS makes a couple of hundred millions of dollars, none of it matters.
You think they'll care about reviews in any aspect? If BvS makes a couple of hundred millions of dollars, none of it matters.
Dash_Riprock
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This is the biggest problem: Marvel had Iron Man, a great solid film which served as the foundation with which to built their franchise. None of the phase I films after it were better (some were far worse) but it remained the solid films which casual movie goers remembered when the next MCU film came out.
WB has what has to be the most polarizing comic film ever made, and instead of pulling backm they've decided to double down.
Father_Brain
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It's certainly possible that WB execs are just unreasonably worried in light of their awful 2015 and that the final box office will meet or exceed expectations. We'll see.
and folks are not even using it right
Sure they do. This is the foundation for an entire franchise of films they are making-they want to build and earn customer trust. It's a brand of quality that they have to sell. If people are sour on Batman vs Superman-they're less likely be see Aquaman.
Batman being in any way in this movie is pretty much because they did care about what the audience and critics had to say about Man of Steel. Rather than trying to steer the creative direction to levy the material better they're already so knee deep that they have the creative team doubling down on the crossover appeal really fast.
Language adapts; that's how it becomes part of common vernacular.
exmachina64
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Everyone but the executives at Warner.
BrokenFiction
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Crisis on Infinite Movie Screens
Future Foundation
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You saying AJ Styles didn't look like a fucking jobber at the Royal Rumble?
Seriously. I'm thinking of all of the Batman/Superman interactions we've seen. Off the top of my head, I remember two times when we've seen Bats have some kind of upper hand: the punch he throws in the second trailer, and him catching Supes punch in this one. Everything else? All Clark.
Even in his fucking dreams, Bruce got caught by Clark.
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