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King of Fighters XIV Roster Discussion thread. Leaked roster in first post

Dio

Banned
That's kind of on SNK for choosing such an expensive way to make the sprites though no? There are clearly cheaper ways, as seen by other current games, to do high quality 2D art. Of course, time is still the limiting factor - going 2D and launching with a 50 character roster are mutually exclusive concepts if you want the game out soon. I certainly feel the game's looks are improving but I dunno if I can say they are actually good - especially compared to every other fighter out on the market right now using 3D graphics.

How about we use a recent example?

Skullgirls was made on a tight budget, the team often digging into their own funds and eating ramen out of cups to get it done. The thing they didn't compromise on was making hand-drawn, high quality 2D animation. Their technique was far cheaper than SNK's pixel art method for KOF12/13.

For that game, it was about 250,000 dollars apiece per character. That game has 14 characters.

Not even taking the actual development of the game into account, JUST CHARACTERS - this means that if time wasn't an issue either - for 50 characters, that's a 12.5 million dollar budget just for character creation on the level of Skullgirls, with the cast number of a classic KOF.
 

Karsha

Member
From the descriptions, the south american boxer sounds like he is missing an arm and has some metal one instead .
Tizoc was called Griffon mask in the original japanese release, so I guess changing names and masks is his gimmick lol.
Also kinda curious about the part when Ralf is moving forward through the flames... might be his climax move ? I'd be nice if he summoned the metal slug for a cannon attack :)
 
Tizoc you know very well that old anime women don't exist in fighting games.

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Matirmelee has multiple old women.
 

TreIII

Member
It being Kim's wife would be so much more interesting though :/

And that's what I thought, too. To see the lady who was formerly stuck minding the twins in the backdrops of Kim's stages putting on some fighting togs and administering some justice herself would be pretty kick-ass.

Either way, considering May's return may not be any time soon, and Chae Lim probably isn't even up for consideration at all, it'll just be nice to see SOME type of female TKD user in a KOF game again.
 

Yaqoub

Member
I want to believe Tizoc and King of Dinosaurs are separate characters and that they'd have beef in the game as face vs heel. That would be really cool and potentially hilarious in the new story.

I'm still in awe at the KoD name. It's so lame it's cool XD
 

LordCiego

Member
Leak list getting more real as time passes. I liked Tizoc more with the griffon mask but maybe it will be interesting seeing the tail movement it can have now.

No Shingo, Blue Mary and Vanessa still makes me sad.
 

BadWolf

Member
From SRK:

Nice fanart
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And that's what I thought, too. To see the lady who was formerly stuck minding the twins in the backdrops of Kim's stages putting on some fighting togs and administering some justice herself would be pretty kick-ass.

Either way, considering May's return may not be any time soon, and Chae Lim probably isn't even up for consideration at all, it'll just be nice to see SOME type of female TKD user in a KOF game again.

This, someone practicing a form of traditional martial would be great. They had a chance with Shion in KOFXI but ended up making him a dude for some reason.
 
The roster looks amazing but I am always so disappointed that SNK never considers having a Real Bout team consisting of Rick Strowd/Xiangfei/Alfred :T

How about we use a recent example?

Skullgirls was made on a tight budget, the team often digging into their own funds and eating ramen out of cups to get it done. The thing they didn't compromise on was making hand-drawn, high quality 2D animation. Their technique was far cheaper than SNK's pixel art method for KOF12/13.

For that game, it was about 250,000 dollars apiece per character. That game has 14 characters.

Not even taking the actual development of the game into account, JUST CHARACTERS - this means that if time wasn't an issue either - for 50 characters, that's a 12.5 million dollar budget just for character creation on the level of Skullgirls, with the cast number of a classic KOF.

All things considered, the fact that the current Skullgirls exists is honestly nothing short of a miracle and arguably proof that god does indeed exist.

Let's also not forget to mention that not only were the costs for Skullgirls characters pretty high (and this is with Lab Zero UNDERpaying themselves), but also very time consuming. There is just no way at all that current SNK can create a high quality 2D art styled fighter with the number of characters required for KoF without bankrupting themselves yet again. It's a huge shame but that's reality.

Still hella butthurt at no Rock Howard or Rugal.

Well Rugal is kinda busy being dead dead and this isn't a dream match (then again that doesn't seem to stop Mature and Vice from hanging out with Iori again these days). They would most likely use his son Adelheid if they needed a Bernstein in the roster with that in mind.

Still, a Bernstein family team would be awesome as hell if they could ever do it.
 
Would love to see Blue Mary and Vanessa as it's been quite some time since KOFXI. The same can be said for Shermie since I think she hasn't been playable since KOF2002/Neowave?

Also with Iori already present I imagine it's only a matter of time before Vice and Mature are revealed.
 

Dremark

Banned
heres a thread everyone ignored at SRK 6 months ago
http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/202160/x

the leaker even called the tizoc heel/dino mask thing

I am well aware. I am saying that with Street Fighter V there was information that was true with it's leaks mixed with information that wasn't.

One leak said it was supposed to have 4 new characters, three of which were named Rashid, Laura and Zen. It also detailed the V-Trigger system.

Another source said Karin and Mika were included after claiming that Urien and Alex were.

I'm not going to jump to conclusion and assume this is all legit. There probably is inside info there especially based on the Tizoc Dinosaur being in, but I'm not willing to accept it all as stone cold fact.

I do expect most of it to be true at this point though.
 

Beckx

Member
Hey SNK heads. I have all the SNK games from the recent humble bundle, plus KOF 98, 2002, and XIII. I never followed SNK games back in the day, what's the recommended approach to immerse myself into them?

One leak said it was supposed to have 4 new characters, three of which were named Rashid, Laura and Zen. It also detailed the V-Trigger system.

Another source said Karin and Mika were included after claiming that Urien and Alex were.

But all of that (except Zen) turned out to be true. Alex is March and Urien arrives in this wave of DLC.
 

Loona

Member
It's a shame that Vanessa isn't coming back, but I suppose that we could get her via DLC.

I could imagine them pulling a Maximum Impact 2 and giving King and alternate outfit that looks like Vanessa's, if DLC isn't in the cards anytime soon...

Still hella butthurt at no Rock Howard or Rugal.

Rock is part Geese, part Terry. Rugal is part Geese, part Wolfgang Krauser.
Since Geese is mentioned in the leak, in a way you're getting half your wishes.

So, is this looking somewhat better than it did when it was revealed?

Anyone play it yet? Does it still look terrible, etc.,.

There have been gradual improvements with each trailer, and the reports from the people that played it at the PlayStation Experience event some time ago were pretty positive.

I'm more wanting to play KOF14 now that Sam Sho has a chance of coming back. If these games are semi successful, it could a resurgence of SNK fighters. Maybe even a new Fatal Fury or Last Blade...

Some time ago SNKP's recruitment page actually had a 3D model of Rimururu in it, and IIRC the SS series was also mentioned at some point in their recruitment efforts. Between that and the mention of Nakoruru in the leaked list, you might like how things turn out.

Also, the bulk of the dev team worked on the Fatal Fury series, so if the game does well they'll probably get enough leeway to make a Garou 2 that gives closure to Rock's pending story.

I wish some characters from classic SNK (and adk too) games could be included at some point:

Lee from AoF

Kim and rasputin from WH

Cheng , Tung and Bob from real Bout series too.

The ADK characters seem more likely in a hypothetical NGBC2 (although many appeared in KoF2002UM backgrounds...).

It seems pretty likely that the new KoF story arc will focus on Chinese characters, so between that and Lee having his moves expanded on to work with KoF characters in NGBC, maybe he can make it in a following game of the new story arc.

Perhaps this is the year the USA Sports team finally keep their invitations?

Lucky is the one that keeps losing his invitations - meanwhile, Heavy D! has a history of appearing in backgrounds with Duck King and Todoh, and IMO the KoF series isn't done until those 3 can form a playable team.

No Vanesa...
No Shingo...

Where is the world going to...

KoF XIII had neither of them and the game did pretty well, including a few EVO appearances. I'd like to see her back too, but when it comes to expectations of returning characters, if nothing else KoF teaches you patience and to enjoy pleasant surprises.

Seriously though. She deserves to be in the mainline KoF games now. She is awesome!

Jenet was in XI...

She's supposedly into gymnastics, could be interesting.

And if she ends up being the same Alice from a few cameos, she likely also has some Taekwondo training under Kim.

I am dissapointed to see no costume change for Terry. His Garou ouitfit was much better

I prefer the Garou one too, but this throwback to his FF1 look is a nice compromise between that and keeping him recognizable for the mainstream audience, primarily through the colors and cap. I miss the short ponytail from FF1, but baby steps... getting a break fro the FF2 looks is already a nice step forward.
 

Dremark

Banned
But all of that (except Zen) turned out to be true. Alex is March and Urien arrives in this wave of DLC.

A lot of it isn't all of it. I'm not saying it's all false or I expect it to be all false, I'm expecting most of it to be true. Just not all of it.

And since when is DLC considered included content? The information was wrong, they are DLC characters, not included characters.
 

Fersis

It is illegal to Tag Fish in Tag Fishing Sanctuaries by law 38.36 of the GAF Wildlife Act
50 friggin' characters and all the thread is about "sucks that my fave char is not in"

Im out.
 
As of the newest material there are far better looking and higher quality 3D models for the promo art, instead of the models they had for char select a while ago. They're working things out and constantly improving the game graphically, as far as I can tell. Hell, there are several clear model tweaks you can see between iterations BEFORE this.

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Leona's Model is 10 million times better than before.

initial reveal was super shitty, but after that KING OF DINOSAURS trailer i'm on board. it looks good. I haven't played one for real since KOF11(K, Vanessa AND B.Jenet, best roster confirmed)

was disappointed in 12 and 13
 

Beckx

Member
For KOF in general: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_aMF_MNdfI

For KOFXIII checkout Juicebox's youtube channel, he has a whole bunch of great tutorials.

Sorry - wasn't clear - I won't try to approach it seriously yet, just want to dive into the games and see what the world, characters, and stories are all about since the characters have always looked so cool (I always drooled over the idea of having a NeoGeo since EGM constantly did articles about the games). Would solely be single player stuff, doing arcade mode runs. Start with XIII and work backwards? Garou? back to the beginnings with AoF or FF?
 

Loona

Member
Hey SNK heads. I have all the SNK games from the recent humble bundle, plus KOF 98, 2002, and XIII. I never followed SNK games back in the day, what's the recommended approach to immerse myself into them?

You mean gameplay or lore?
 

C-Drive

Member
I've never seen those characters before. They look awesome.

They're from the Game Boy Advance releases, King of Fighters EX: Neo Blood, and EX 2: Howling Blood.

They're probably also in some licensing limbo hell with whoever worked the GBA versions. Never seen that confirmed though.
 

Saoshyant

Member
I've never seen those characters before. They look awesome.

They were from a GBA exclusive KOF game "series". Had a unique story and two games, even. They weren't particularly great what with the limitations of the system, though.
 

C-Drive

Member
They were from a GBA exclusive KOF game "series". Had a unique story and two games, even. They weren't particularly great what with the limitations of the system, though.

This is true, but they still had some top-notch character designs with the exclusive characters.
 
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