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[Terrell]

I just dont see the point in courting publishers for ports that wont sell because the audience is already established elsewhere, which wont even receive good care... When they could diversify their library in a better way with that money.

So your solution to improve the situation is... do nothing? How exactly do you think that would pan out?

 

[blu]

Unprecedented partnership leading to a massive effect.

EA can go cater to teens somewhere else.

 

[GhostTrick]

So your solution to improve the situation is... do nothing? How exactly do you think that would pan out?

Do you even read the post you quoted which answer your very question ? I mean... Its just there... "using that money to diversify their library".

Basically, instead of shoving millions into a barebone FIFA port and market it... Why not use these millions to make a game or fund one ?

 

[Peru]

So your solution to improve the situation is... do nothing? How exactly do you think that would pan out?

I think quite a few of us have little belief in magical new success for third party games that are very established on other platforms, even if a few AAA multi-platform titles show up. We're more interested in seeing Nintendo's structural changes show in a unified line-up that secures a more uninterrupted flow of software from Nintendo and their established partners.

 

[Mushroomer25]

Another unprecedented partnership??

I eagerly anticipate the port of Dragon Age: Inquisition, before never seeing another game on the system ever again.

Seriously - I hope third parties support the NX. I do not expect them to. I will buy one regardless.

 

[Pokemaniac]

I know EA is ruthless but did this really happen as you describe it and are you sure this isn't a heavily embellished urban legend? How did EA "legally reverse engineer" Sega's own tech and then "legally" threaten them? That smacks of when Atari brazenly stole Nintendo's patents in order to crack the NES lock out code and then had the gall to (very unsuccessfully) sue Nintendo which blew up in their face since obviously it was attempted extortion. "Haha, OK EA, you figured out how our carts work in a non sketchy way, I guess we have to bow to your demands." Not saying I don't believe it necessarily, it just sounds crazy.

I'm not familiar with the story, but as long as EA didn't do anything illegal during the reverse engineering process, they'd be in the clear for producing their own cartridges as much as they want.

The only wrong thing that Tengen did was illegally gaining access to confidential documents regarding the 10NES chip's internal workings.

 

[Gleethor]

I think the task of courting an audience size that third parties will consider "enough" requires way more money than Nintendo will be willing to spend.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

No it doesn't and it still can be released this year. I dont know why thats so hard to believe for some people.

Its hard to believe that the biggest western third party publisher is only now having meetings on what involvement they want to have on a brand new platform launching this year?

Lets put it another way then. If EA are only just meeting Nintendo now about NX, then its third party support is going to be even more abysmal than the WiiUs was at launch.

 

[Aostia]

Unprecedented partnership leading to a massive effect.

EA can go cater to teens somewhere else.

Seriously
Among all the missing third party, they are the least to me to be desired
But commercially, they are mandatory I think

 

[Ushojax]

Its hard to believe that the biggest western third party publisher is only now having meetings on what involvement they want to have on a brand new platform launching this year?

Lets put it another way then. If EA are only just meeting Nintendo now about NX, then its third party support is going to be even more abysmal than the WiiUs was at launch.

Well yeah, the NX is following an utter failure of a console so of course third party support is going to be terrible. Most of the support will come from Japan and mobile/indie studios. Big western publishers are years away from giving a shit, and that's if the console is even powerful enough to enable ports.

 

[Lupin the Third]

Lets put it another way then. If EA are only just meeting Nintendo now about NX, then its third party support is going to be even more abysmal than the WiiUs was at launch.

Sounds like more of a follow-up meeting since EA was reportedly among the first to have development kits for NX.

 

[Kathian]

We'll have to see what NX is first I guess; but their problem will be coming once he sports crowd has already adopted their new systems.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

I think quite a few of us have little belief in magical new success for third party games that are very established on other platforms, even if a few AAA multi-platform titles show up. We're more interested in seeing Nintendo's structural changes show in a unified line-up that secures a more uninterrupted flow of software from Nintendo and their established partners.

Third place in the market is fine, as long as you get what you want. Nintendo has some mediocre fans, that prefer Nintendo strive for mediocre success.

 

[Oddduck]

After gaining exclusivity over Star Wars, I think EA is now more important than ever for Nintendo. There is a long history between the Star Wars franchise and Nintendo consoles. I would love to see NX receive a few Star Wars games.

 

[GhostTrick]

Third place in the market is fine, as long as you get what you want. Nintendo has some mediocre fans, that prefer Nintendo strive for mediocre success.

Or some people just dont live in a bubble in which things are as easy as "if you get 1st party + 3rd party, it's a win".
If it was that easy, Xbox One would sell a lot more. I mean, as of right now, what's the difference between PS4 and One for the mass market ? Similar price, similar games... The difference tend to the ecosystem in place.
If your answer is that Nintendo should be a 3rd copy of that...

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Third place in the market is fine, as long as you get what you want. Nintendo has some mediocre fans, that prefer Nintendo strive for mediocre success.

If Nintendo could win a super bowl I would care but this aint nfl

 

[Pjsprojects]

Don't fuck this up again Nintendo.

Sadly I feel they will.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Sounds like more of a follow-up meeting since EA was reportedly among the first to have development kits for NX.

All that means is EA may have some WIP builds of games to show Nintendo. Its not a indication that anything has been greenlit and honestly, this meeting actually suggests the opposite.

If The NX is launching this year, its going to launch in the fall. If EA is meeting Nintendo now, that means even if they like what they hear, full production on titles is only going to be 6-7 months.

Now its fair to say its not beyond EA to launch rushed undercooked software, but thats a tall order even for them.

The more logicial explaination is NX is simply not launching this year, least not the home console version.

Either that or EA is just not going to have anything ready for launch, which defeats the whole purpose of Nintendo trying to bring in more of EAs target demo.

 

[RedSwirl]

Holy Shit. Dragon Age Tactics.

You've already got a proven turn-based RPG audience on Nintendo hardware, particularly the handhelds. Make DAT a cross-buy game between the NX handheld and console.

Anyway, I agree that EA support is almost mandatory for a platform to not die if it's in the traditional console market, which the NX will probably still be. The only exceptions have been the Wii (after a certain point) and mobile, which appeal to completely different audiences. I just hope EA doesn't half-ass the sports games or simply try to do the same thing they do on PlayStation and Xbox. We know the NX is gonna roll the dice with some new selling point. We just don't know what it is yet.

 

[Bgamer90]

Make another NBA Street with Mario in it and all will be forgiven.

Yes -- they need to do this. Sports games with a Nintendo flare; Not simple ports of games that people wouldn't want to play on a Nintendo console.

Anyone who thinks tons of mainstream gamers are going to flock to the NX to play Madden, FIFA, etc. when the Xbox and Playstation brands have been unanimous with those series and their multiplayer features for more than a decade (as well as the fact that many sports gamers are satisfied with their PS4 or Xbox One) need a dose of reality.

 

[Ninja Sharingan]

All i ask nintendo to do is make it more powerful than a ps4!

I know i'll be there day one no matter what, but if it is more powerful than a PS4 it would just make that investment feel all the better.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

This thread has played eerily similar to a 2011/2012 Wii U speculation thread

Nintendo just doesn't have a sports gaming crowd. I doubt they could garner a sizeable one ever at this point, unless their new console is a complete out of the park hit like the Wii was.

 

[GhostTrick]

This thread has played eerily similar to a 2011/2012 Wii U speculation thread

Nintendo just doesn't have a sports gaming crowd. I doubt they could garner a sizeable one ever at this point, unless their new console is a complete out of the park hit like the Wii was.

Exactly. Instead of shoving lot of money to make the impossible, why not try something new ? They need more things like Splatoon to make an interesting and unique ecosystem.

 

[Pokemaniac]

All that means is EA may have some WIP builds of games to show Nintendo. Its not a indication that anything has been greenlit and honestly, this meeting actually suggests the opposite.

If The NX is launching this year, its going to launch in the fall. If EA is meeting Nintendo now, that means even if they like what they hear, full production on titles is only going to be 6-7 months.

Now its fair to say its not beyond EA to launch rushed undercooked software, but thats a tall order even for them.

The more logicial explaination is NX is simply not launching this year, least not the home console version.

With how long EA has had the devkits by now (assuming that they actually were one of the first to get them), they should have more than enough time to get basic ports of their sports games done by the holiday season.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

Or some people just dont live in a bubble in which things are as easy as "if you get 1st party + 3rd party, it's a win".
If it was that easy, Xbox One would sell a lot more. I mean, as of right now, what's the difference between PS4 and One for the mass market ? Similar price, similar games... The difference tend to the ecosystem in place.
If your answer is that Nintendo should be a 3rd copy of that...

It's not easy, but you give yourself a chance. Nintendo will never be a carbon copy of they're competition. NX will not, because it will be the only console with Nintendo IP's of old and new.

 

[Milly Osworth]

This thread has played eerily similar to a 2011/2012 Wii U speculation thread

Nintendo just doesn't have a sports gaming crowd. I doubt they could garner a sizeable one ever at this point, unless their new console is a complete out of the park hit like the Wii was.

We dont know what audience Nintendo will go for after Wiiu. But yes its doubtful its the Madden bros.

 

[GhostTrick]

It's not easy, but you give yourself a chance. Nintendo will never be a carbon copy of they're competition. NX will not, because it will be the only console with Nintendo IP's of old and new.

So back to the narrative: 1st party + 3rd party = $$$.
It's not easy, it's pointless. It's money thrown in the fire to reach pointless results when they could build something meaningful.

 

[WonderRade]

i work at a store that sells consoles and i pretty much run the gaming department. There have been quite a few times where parents and their kids have come in and the kids are interested by mario maker, splatoon and smash, but then they ask does it have any football or soccer games on it?

Its wasnt always a dealbreaker, but it did for some people.

Spoiler

ANECDOTAL SOMETHING OR OTHER

 

[KaneU]

All I want from them is Mass Effect Andromeda, that is all.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

We hear this same talk every generation...

 

[Deleted member 465307]

As a Nintendo console owner, I agree with people who are skeptical that simply making the ports will be enough. I am thinking about getting a PS4 once a redesign and/or price drop happens, and if the PS4 ends up delivering better graphics than whatever NX produces, I would buy my multiplatform games on that system. Additionally, I have friends with PS4s already, so if I want to play multiplayer with them, I'd buy the PS4 version anyway. The only way I would consider getting the games on my NX would be if the system was technically superior to PS4 (which I do not expect) or if it offered exclusive content like how NBA Street Vol. 3 once did.

It's for this reason that I am strongly considering getting Skylanders Superchargers on Wii U. Previous iterations of the franchise were content identical but graphically superior on PS4/X1, which made me see those as the "definitive" versions of those games. With the Wii U version of Superchargers featuring Nintendo characters, however, I see a compelling argument for why I should buy that version. It's silly, but the knowledge that the game is better elsewhere does deter me from buying the game on a system. Where I'm currently at with purchasing Superchargers on Wii U is probably where I would have been at with the previous versions of Skylanders had I owned a PS4.

 

[GhostTrick]

As a Nintendo console owner, I agree with people who are skeptical that simply making the ports will be enough. I am thinking about getting a PS4 once a redesign and/or price drop happens, and if the PS4 ends up delivering better graphics than whatever NX produces, I would buy my multiplatform games on that system. Additionally, I have friends with PS4s already, so if I want to play multiplayer with them, I'd buy the PS4 version anyway. The only way I would consider getting the games on my NX would be if the system was technically superior to PS4 (which I do not expect) or if it offered exclusive content like how NBA Street Vol. 3 once did.

It's for this reason that I am strongly considering getting Skylanders Superchargers on Wii U. Previous iterations of the franchise were content identical but graphically superior on PS4/X1, which made me see those as the "definitive" versions of those games. With the Wii U version of Superchargers featuring Nintendo characters, however, I see a compelling argument for why I should buy that version. It's silly, but the knowledge that the game is better elsewhere does deter me from buying the game on a system. Where I'm currently at with purchasing Superchargers on Wii U is probably where I would have been at with the previous versions of Skylanders had I owned a PS4.

It's not silly, it's getting the best out of your money. I have a gaming PC and a Wii U. Why in the world would I get multiplat games or indies on Wii U ?

 

[NakedJedi]

can't get more unprecedented than this

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

With how long EA has had the devkits by now (assuming that they actually were one of the first to get them), they should have more than enough time to get basic ports of their sports games done by the holiday season.

If they were in full production this entire time and even then only just.

This meeting suggests otherwise. If the decision to have ports of this years FIFA Madden etc had already been made, there would be no reason to be having discussions about sports game support with Nintendo.

Either its not coming out this year or EA sports is missing the Launch window. Pick one.

 

[Terrell]

Do you even read the post you quoted which answer your very question ? I mean... Its just there... "using that money to diversify their library".

Basically, instead of shoving millions into a barebone FIFA port and market it... Why not use these millions to make a game or fund one ?

Diversifying the 1st-party portfolio doesn't change the situation for the better, it's the same situation with more favourable results.

I think quite a few of us have little belief in magical new success for third party games that are very established on other platforms, even if a few AAA multi-platform titles show up. We're more interested in seeing Nintendo's structural changes show in a unified line-up that secures a more uninterrupted flow of software from Nintendo and their established partners.

Where, anywhere in this thread, did I talk of "magical new success"? Improving the software situation outside the 1st-party lineup doesn't just happen, it's going to take a hell of a lot of work.

I'm just baffled at the people who say that Nintendo shouldn't bother putting any work into it at all, which, for those obviously not paying attention, is part of how they ended up in their current situation.

Or some people just dont live in a bubble in which things are as easy as "if you get 1st party + 3rd party, it's a win".
If it was that easy, Xbox One would sell a lot more. I mean, as of right now, what's the difference between PS4 and One for the mass market ? Similar price, similar games... The difference tend to the ecosystem in place.
If your answer is that Nintendo should be a 3rd copy of that...

Setting aside the fact that reasonable people don't consider getting 3rd-parties on board some automatic win condition, because the reality of the situation isn't set up for such binary conditions, the idea of Nintendo existing on 1st-party releases alone and hoping that strategy will be a bigger "win" overall, despite how that's never been the case in the history of video games ever, is patently ridiculous. If we're going to talk about "living in a bubble", that would pretty much define that statement to the letter.

Exactly. Instead of shoving lot of money to make the impossible, why not try something new ? They need more things like Splatoon to make an interesting and unique ecosystem.

How is re-investment in their 1st-party lineup "something new" for Nintendo, precisely? Seems to me like it's what they've always done. I won't say that I don't enjoy their 1st-party titles, I do, and new ideas are definitely appreciated. But let's not pretend like it's some groundbreaking new activity for them to invest in their own talent.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

Exactly. Instead of shoving lot of money to make the impossible, why not try something new ? They need more things like Splatoon to make an interesting and unique ecosystem.

Did anybody fathom, predict, have a premonition that the Wii would become a massive hit?

Same for PS One or Xbox 360. Point is, Sony joined a market dominated by Nintendo and Sega, went on to dominate both of them with a diverse games library. Nintendo first-party will never be enough. Unless you prefer mediocre success.

 

[213372bu]

Of course, new console is coming up so of course they'd talk to one of the biggest third-parties.

Unprecedented partnership leading to a massive effect.

EA can go cater to teens somewhere else.

Is this suppose to be ironic?

Nintendo needs every market they have tossed at them.

Unless you want another bleeding console for another 4/5 years.

 

[GhostTrick]

Diversifying the 1st-party portfolio doesn't change the situation for the better, it's the same situation with more favourable results.



Where, anywhere in this thread, did I talk of "magical new success"? Improving the software situation outside the 1st-party lineup doesn't just happen, it's going to take a hell of a lot of work.

I'm just baffled at the people who say that Nintendo shouldn't bother putting any work into it at all, which, for those obviously not paying attention, is part of how they ended up in their current situation.


Setting aside the fact that reasonable people don't consider getting 3rd-parties on board some automatic win condition, the idea of Nintendo existing on 1st-party releases alone and hoping that strategy will be a bigger "win" overall, despite how that's never been the case in the history of video games ever, is patently ridiculous. If we're going to talk about "living in a bubble", that would pretty much define that statement to the letter.

I never said alone. I said they should also work out on key 3rd party partnerships, like they did on 3DS.

 

[DaSorcerer7]

All I want from them is Mass Effect Andromeda, that is all.

Same here.

 

[Jackano]

That's what I fear since the beginning, they are too secrecy and/or late on shedule.
Meeting in march to work on games when?
I can foresee, whenever NX home is releasing, this year or holiday 2017, a port of FIFA ps3 legacy edition, bomba, then nothing.

This will be a better news if Nintendo actually ignored EA in their top-tiers partners when speaking of the NX the first time.


However it is true that Nintendo is massively lacking in a few games genres that are required for the western audience: FPS, AAA racing games, GTA-like, sports...
We'll see in the next 3 months if something leaks but for the moment, sadly, they seemingly still believe in their "one-title game changer" policy. Lol, NintendoLand.

 

[John Harker]

Its hard to believe that the biggest western third party publisher is only now having meetings on what involvement they want to have on a brand new platform launching this year?

Lets put it another way then. If EA are only just meeting Nintendo now about NX, then its third party support is going to be even more abysmal than the WiiUs was at launch.

They are not only just meeting now.

And anyway, even if this is all true, the article is just talking about EA Sports label. Not corporate EA overall.

If you meet with 2k sports, are you going to talk about what rockstar is doing?

 

[Oddduck]

Its hard to believe that the biggest western third party publisher is only now having meetings on what involvement they want to have on a brand new platform launching this year?

Lets put it another way then. If EA are only just meeting Nintendo now about NX, then its third party support is going to be even more abysmal than the WiiUs was at launch.

EA wouldn't already have NX kits if they didn't have past discussions last year.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

I already know that one big 3rd party dev is porting a huge game for NX at the moment. I was in the closed beta of this game and the partnership was kind of spilled out by a mod.

NDA, so no sugar, sorry. But just letting the Nintendo fans know that they're going to get some good 3rd party love on their new console.

 

[Piers]

Their partnership will be great.
Assuming the NX has unprecedented sales.

 

[Malus]

I already know that one big 3rd party dev is porting a huge game for NX at the moment. I was in the closed beta of this game and the partnership was kind of spilled out by a mod.

NDA, so no sugar, sorry. But just letting the Nintendo fans know that they're going to get some good 3rd party love on their new console.

Fuck yes. It can only be the new LEGO Deadpool game of my dreams.

 

[Terrell]

I never said alone. I said they should also work out on key 3rd party partnerships, like they did on 3DS.

And yet, EA can't be a "key 3rd-party partnership" in your estimation, because.... why?

 

[Pokemaniac]

If they were in full production this entire time and even then only just.

This meeting suggests otherwise. If the decision to have ports of this years FIFA Madden etc had already been made, there would be no reason to be having discussions about sports game support with Nintendo.

Either its not coming out this year or EA sports is missing the Launch window. Pick one.

If they can't get it done, it would really be an indictment of their engines. It'd be pretty disappointing if the 2 main engines (EDITnly one if this is just EA Sports) of a giant multiplatform studio didn't allow for relatively easy portability.

 

[DaSorcerer7]

I already know that one big 3rd party dev is porting a huge game for NX at the moment. I was in the closed beta of this game and the partnership was kind of spilled out by a mod.

NDA, so no sugar, sorry. But just letting the Nintendo fans know that they're going to get some good 3rd party love on their new console.

Come on Detective Gaf!!!

 

[pswii60]

Honestly, why would Nintendo go after Sony and Microsoft's audience at this stage in the generation? That would be suicide.

 

[KaneU]

I already know that one big 3rd party dev is porting a huge game for NX at the moment. I was in the closed beta of this game and the partnership was kind of spilled out by a mod.

NDA, so no sugar, sorry. But just letting the Nintendo fans know that they're going to get some good 3rd party love on their new console.

OMG, this almost made me cry! All I want from NX are some major 3rd party titles, because Nintendo always delivers on their games.