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Of Gods and Men [Mafia] | Ambrosia In Front Of Me

I also cant believe that you/OA are BOTH town, so there has been at least one scum attacking me yesterday.
Ocean has done the fastest 180 I've ever seen. I'm not ready to vote anyone but he's still my top suspect

I also feel the same about you and OA. One of you have to be scum. Yes I noticed the 180 he did. Also noticed how he wanted to look and exam things/reactions AFTER you claimed. Where was this concern when he voted you?I don't think he questioned your claim at all other than questioning why you didn't claim earlier. He didn't bother to claim himself either. Just wanted to move discussion away from him/you. Odd that he has been the only one to received dream about killing/banishing a god and no one else have received it.

Kyanrute also looked bad imo, in comparison to Zeke he was more casually flinging shit from a distance. His argument was based around the overall PR composition (which we have no knowledge of) with no apparent interest in the details of my claim.

Kyan - Seems town one moment, then scummy the next. Didn't really like the interaction he had with Seath(?) ysterday, but you also had an interaction I didn't like with him.

Feng/Swampd/Dragonz - Low posters. Swamped has been a bit more active today. Dragonz I only remember commenting on how GP's power worked? Feng is explained by Blarg.

Seath - Either god or pretending to be. Question, what if Seath is scum, but not god, wanting us to waste a lynch on Peri(At this point LP has to be Kome?
 
Oh also Panda... he was the most trusting I think... I'd say my trust in him comes more from his claim than his reaction to mine.

Specifically, your earlier posts, especially from day 1, were made in an odd way that lines up with your claimed ability. But your reasoning here seems to be truly thought through in a way that I would only expect from someone that actually had the ability:

Why would I check Feng's claim? We believe his claim and it still wouldn't confirm his alignment.

Also no reason to check Gorlak's claim over his post I actually checked. He could easily have been town lying about some part of his role and that's literally the worst case scenario for my role. All I care about is his alignment, so I checked his "think Kyan is scum" post. Possibilities:

Gorlak is scum - I would get LIE or NO LIE depending. We would then know Gorlak AND Kyan's alignment.

Gorlak is town - I would get UNCLEAR, Gorlak is now confirmed town.

Does that make more sense? I feel like you aren't getting why I would check "I think X is scum" posts. It's an absolute improvement over an "I am town" post.

I do have some reservations on your picks for day 2 and day 3, but you do seem to have legit enough reasoning behind your choices. So I think that the majority of the evidence supports your claim.
 

*Splinter

Member
Seath - Either god or pretending to be. Question, what if Seath is scum, but not god, wanting us to waste a lynch on Peri(At this point LP has to be Kome?
If we hit another god it will be a no lynch, we aren't in lylo so that's fine, and Seath would be an obvious lynch the next day.


Blarg are you planning to read the thread? We could really use another pair of eyes.
 
Fair point Swamped, if Komena is scum there is probably only 3 others.
Honest mistake or scum slip Splint? :/

Only covers half of Day 3. Doesn't cover the Seath claim, ignoring players thing.
Don't quote this.

SUMMARY OF EVENTS

Day 1
StarSketch (The Chosen One) is lynched: Neutral god-killer survivor

Day 1 final vote count.

Night 1
Seath (?) receives a PM with god-killing instructions.
Gorlak (Priestess?) casts "Holy Ward" (protection) on himself.
CrimsonFist (Rhapsode) casts "Protect" (protection) on ?.
Darryl (Dreamweaver) casts "Invite" on OceanicAir and Swamped. This action FAILS due to the lightning rod.
Fengshuifever (?) casts "Activate", a lightning rod.
? casts "Targets" on ?
? casts "Absorb" on ?
Mafia casts "Kill" on ?. This action FAILS due to the lightning rod redirecting protection.
Zippedpinhead (?) receives a PM telling him to obey (by casting View on Sophia). He casts "View" on Sophia and receives a list of 7 actions:
  1. Invite (confirmed from Darryl)
  2. Targets (redirect, switch, tracker?)
  3. Protect (confirmed from CrimsonFist)
  4. Holy Ward (unconfirmed from Gorlak)
  5. Kill (from mafia)
  6. Absorb (?)
  7. View (his own ability)
These actions were all redirected due to the lightning rod.

Day 2
God dictates: Komena (Eagerness, double lynch) Perisperos (Inactivity, 10 post limit)

Fengshuifever receives a PM of a dream (judging by this post, this happened during Day 2). This message is unrelated to god-killing.

flatearthpandas (Heretic) is lynched: One-shot anti-dictate action
Darryl (Dreamweaver) is lynched: Gossip chef

Day 2 final vote count.

Night 2
OceanicAir (?) receives a PM with god-killing instructions.
Gorlak (Priestess?) casts "Martyrize" (kill) on Lone_Prodigy. This action either fails or is redirected.
CrimsonFist (Rhapsode) casts "Protect" (protection) on ?.
? casts "Targets" on ?
? casts "Absorb" on ?
Mafia casts "Kill" on Freakenchair or CrimsonFist.
Zippedpinhead (?) receives no PM about obedience. He casts "View" on *Splinter and receives one result: his own action.

CrimsonFist (Rhapsode) is killed: Doctor
Freakenchair (Ordinary Villager) is killed: Vanilla

Day 3
God dictates: Komena (Intuition, town receives another's town alignment) and Perispheros (Blindness, Night 3 actions are ninja)

Zippedpinhead receives a PM informing him that Sophia is aligned with town.

Players and roles
1. [m] Lone_Prodigy
4. [m] EzekelRAGE
7. [m] Giant Panda
9. [f] Sophia - claimed passive roleblocker
10. [m] Zippedpinhead - claimed action detector
11. [m] OceanicAir
12. [f] Swamped
13. [m] Gorlak - claimed JOAT: one-shot vig (used), protect (used), roleblock
14. [m] Kyanrute
15. [f] WhereAreMahDragonz
16. [-] Seath
17- [m] fengshuifever - claimed one-shot lightning rod
18. [m] *Splinter

Unclaimed roles
  • Absorber
  • Targeter
  • Komena
  • Perisperos



Okay, look

What I want to know is

who's currently alive

I think that's a good place to start
[m] Lone_Prodigy
[m] EzekelRAGE
[m] Giant Panda
[f] Sophia
[m] Zippedpinhead
[m] OceanicAir
[f] Swamped
[m] Kyanrute
[f] WhereAreMahDragonz
[-] Seath
[m] *Splinter

Post with my case against Splinter
Splinter
Believed Gorlak would target/kill him/Is scum targeter - Notice that after this post, this is when Splinter turns to a different person it seems. Wastes time arguing about why I should understand why Gorlak would shoot. In hindsight, it was a nice distraction about the real topic, why HE would know Gorlak would target/shoot him.
Bad play/Gambit - Was a lie and back tracked on it when confronted about it.
FEP Vote - Wanted to use it as a base to look for scum, but claims FEP vote was justified when Sophia use the FEP vote against him.
Gorlak - Defended Gorlak very hard.
Master Manipulator?- Admitted to trying to get Gor to use Vig shot on Darryl
Exchange with Dragonz - Seemed fabricated to make him seem more town. Would make ppl go "Why would he openly talk like that about scum if he was one."
Confirmed town - He keeps mentioning how scum should/shouldve killed more confirmed townies. This goes with the same thing with the dragonz point.

Splinter's Defense Post and Reveal starts at post 1212,1220,1230.
 
[m] Lone_Prodigy
[m] EzekelRAGE
[m] Giant Panda
[f] Sophia
[m] Zippedpinhead
[m] OceanicAir
[f] Swamped
[m] Kyanrute
[f] WhereAreMahDragonz
[-] Seath
[m] *Splinter
[m] Blargonaut​
 
Are you saying we should disobey him? :eek:

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Sophia

Member
Interesting series of questions. Are you implying what I think you might be implying, what with the comment about disobeying Lone Prodiegy + us all second guessing Seath's godhood? :p
 
Blarg, welcome.

We really do need fresh eyes.

Most of us didn't agree with *splinter's choices.

Personally,

Kyanrute
Oceanicair
Dragonz

That's my scum list
 

Sophia

Member
Interesting, Blarg. See, this has been bothering me for some time, but I couldn't figure out why...

I have noticed that Lone Prodigy has been focusing an awful lot on Splinter.

Votes on Splinter

Day 3:
Seath
Zeke
Sophia
L_P
OceanicAir

Sophia eventually unvoted.

Day 2:
Freakenchair

He eventually unvoted.

Day 1:
Gorlak

Again, he eventually unvoted. On the first day with random votes flying around, Splinter was one of the more active players, yet escaped almost all suspicion.

So what is it? Scum is keeping him around because he's had bad reads all game, despite being quite active? Or he's actually scum and his fellow members have avoided voting for him all game?

The other players who were voted for on Day 1:
Crimson (3 unique voters)
Darryl (3)
Lone_Prodigy (5)
Gorlak (7)
Seath (1)
FEP (4)
Dragonz (2)
Feng (1)
Sophia (2)
Zipped (1)
Star (7)

Top vote-getters were Star, me, Darryl, Crimson, and FEP. All are town/neutral. Even accounting for failed bandwagons and general Day 1 shenanigans, it's kind of interesting.

But overall these vote counts aren't very useful. Day 2, for example, was basically back and forth between FEP, Gorlak, and Darryl. Day 3 was kind of skewed by Seath voting like crazy, but even then it was between me and Splinter.

Splinter's claim sounds believable, but it's also convenient. His results are on people already dead or verified.

And I find it hard to believe one of the most active posters in this thread is still alive.

My issue with Splinter's continued survival is that if he's town and active, scum will usually toss a couple votes his way. Or at least put him under suspicion.

Sophia's been under fire. Zipped has been questioned. Darryl was pretty active, and he got lynched. Gorlak, well you know. But until Splinter went back-and-forth with Zeke and Zeke threw a vote on him, he wasn't the focus of any discussion.

Contrast that to my activity the first couple days, where I had votes tossed my way for being silent, only to get a late Day 2 surge from... guess who, Splinter himself.

Day 1 vote count
Day 2 vote count
Day 3 vote count

So you're saying that since scum is so far ahead, you're going to get bussed today?

And if you're telling me he's not the God we think he is.... then that would mean that Seath is among the scum team. There were the contradictions between Seath's god claim (Gods are neutrals) and LP's God claim (He is town aligned) too...

And I'm suddenly leaning towards a scum team of Seath, OceanicAir, and maybe Kyanrute or Swamped?
 
We know that L_P is a god, but you are correct, we have no concrete evidence that he is komena or The scum god.

We know that a lightning rod was used night 1, my huge list of views I think is evidence of that.

What do you have to back it up?
 
And if you're telling me he's not the God we think he is.... then that would mean that Seath is among the scum team. There were the contradictions between Seath's god claim (Gods are neutrals) and LP's God claim (He is town aligned) too...

And I'm suddenly leaning towards a scum team of Seath, OceanicAir, and maybe Kyanrute or Swamped?
So your saying it could be this?
Seath - Either god or pretending to be. Question, what if Seath is scum, but not god, wanting us to waste a lynch on Peri(At this point LP has to be Kome?
Except the plan is already in motion?

But why would the real Kome not come forward?
 

Sophia

Member
So your saying it could be this?

Except the plan is already in motion?

But why would the real Kome not come forward?

It's just a hunch, considering Blarg hasn't outright confirmed or denied anything, but I think Feng might have been Komera

I could be completely off about this tho.
 
Actually, if OA is scum, then godkiller dream could be play to make sure Kome stays hidden or at least reluctant to counterclaim a possible Peri LP.
 

Sophia

Member
Actually, if OA is scum, then godkiller dream could be play to make sure Kome stays hidden or at least reluctant to counterclaim a possible Peri LP.

Refresh my memory, what were all the dreams claimed again?

Either way, I think I'm leaning towards a Seath lynch.... speaking of which where is he? I want to see some Seath vs Blarg hilarity. :p
 
Refresh my memory, what were all the dreams claimed again?
Feng/Blarg, OA, and Seath. Seath lied it seems? Feng said the dream wasn't about killing a god though.

Blarg can you give us any more details about this?
fengshuifever has a dream said:
I didn't mention anything about killing a god in the message.

The only reference it had to a god was that as we walked through the dream we notice that our feet are thickly covered with spider webs, like some kind of shoe.

Post of OA mentioning dream.
But seriously, I had a dream last night detailing how gods can be removed the game.

Although I'm 99% sure that the instructions could have been given to mafia too, it consists of a spell that will banish a god. Downsides are that 1) It's a 3 part spell, 2) there are two different versions and 3) If used wrong it will kill the user
 
Right now I'm leaning towards Splinter, OA, and Swamped as my top picks.

Splinter being my number one because I don't like his wishy washy posts, especially now that it kinda getting down to the wire. I just...I can't shake the feeling that he's hiding something more than his claim. I don't know. I'm gonna have to read into it more.
 
Right now I'm leaning towards Splinter, OA, and Swamped as my top picks.

Splinter being my number one because I don't like his wishy washy posts, especially now that it kinda getting down to the wire. I just...I can't shake the feeling that he's hiding something more than his claim. I don't know. I'm gonna have to read into it more.

Splint I understand, but why OA and Swamped?
 
Blarg is just going to hint he's Komena and then abandon the thread?

I would also like to reiterate that I think people should claim now before we start voting. We won't be able to react to a last minute claim like on most days. Or at least claim to Zipped/Sophia in the message thing.
 

Sophia

Member
Questions for all the remaining players, as I don't want to vote just yet. We still have the messages to be delivered and all.

I am heavily leaning towards a Seath lynch. I think he will flip scum, and it'll lead us with a trail of blood that'll direct us right to the remaining scum members.

Now that we know that attempting to lynch a God only causes a no-lynch, what do you all think about a Seath lynch? Support? Opposed? Anyone else you'd want to lynch first? If so, why?
 
Splint I understand, but why OA and Swamped?

Has OA contributed anything? Honestly. I mean...I really haven't either, but I get the feeling that he's hiding from us. He just...it feels like he's trying to direct conversations the way he wants them to. In every post of his I read, I can't help but feel like he's trying to mislead in some capacity.

Swamped is MIA and just kind of comes and goes. I know that's not a definite scum tell, but it has piqued my interest.
 
Looking at the reactions to my claim... I can finally feel good about Zeke. He's very clearly digging into it for inconsistencies etc, but at the same time I don't get the feeling that he's just picking holes for the sake of casting doubt on me. The questions are fair and the overall reaction reads as genuine.

Zipped was the most similar to this and we know he's town.

Ocean has done the fastest 180 I've ever seen. I'm not ready to vote anyone but he's still my top suspect.

Kyanrute also looked bad imo, in comparison to Zeke he was more casually flinging shit from a distance. His argument was based around the overall PR composition (which we have no knowledge of) with no apparent interest in the details of my claim.

I think that only leaves Swamped/Dragonz? Neither of these have posted yet.

Oh also Panda... he was the most trusting I think... I'd say my trust in him comes more from his claim than his reaction to mine.

Um, what? Did you read my post? I said if you town then get the reads and you didn't even answer any of the question that I had. And ffs at the bolded, I poked into Zipped's claim and but you didn't think the same?

I've tried my best to try to avoid a situation where we would get to this point, but you are so freaking up your own ego that you refuse to believe even for a second that you're wrong. I tried to look it at it from different perspectives, I tried my best to remove myself from the tunnel but I knew you were going to go after me again after being wrong about LP. And you'd get one or two people like Zipped (who's questionable judgement was on fine display).

The only I had begun second thoughts is because people who haven't otherwise been vocal about you have all of a sudden spoken up. Because they know the game could be close to ending. Also, that claim was an utter mess, I can hardly believe that people

I also feel the same about you and OA. One of you have to be scum. Yes I noticed the 180 he did. Also noticed how he wanted to look and exam things/reactions AFTER you claimed. Where was this concern when he voted you?I don't think he questioned your claim at all other than questioning why you didn't claim earlier. He didn't bother to claim himself either. Just wanted to move discussion away from him/you. Odd that he has been the only one to received dream about killing/banishing a god and no one else have received it.



Kyan - Seems town one moment, then scummy the next. Didn't really like the interaction he had with Seath(?) ysterday, but you also had an interaction I didn't like with him.

Feng/Swampd/Dragonz - Low posters. Swamped has been a bit more active today. Dragonz I only remember commenting on how GP's power worked? Feng is explained by Blarg.

Seath - Either god or pretending to be. Question, what if Seath is scum, but not god, wanting us to waste a lynch on Peri(At this point LP has to be Kome?
.

I've said it before, one of does not have to be mafia. You should know that coming from Ace Attorney Mr. Hammer. I, and others remember watching town completely cannibalize each other at end game. Which is why I said consider other options, there are other mafia still, I'll admit I was upset when I voted, still think he's scummy, it's to be expected when he even admitted to acting scummy. But the slightest bit of me is forever unsure which is more than I've heard from Splinter. Also, I do think that a couple others have jumped up my rankings because of my vote.

Also, next time I'll ask for reactions before he claims. Because I need to ask a town member to claim useful info for the rest of town?

Blarg, welcome.

We really do need fresh eyes.

Most of us didn't agree with *splinter's choices.

Personally,

Kyanrute
Oceanicair
Dragonz

That's my scum list
That is grade A quality BS. Like Kobe quality... Unless your talking about his abysmal use of his powers.


But maybe if I put it in bold people will answer my question.

WHY DO YOU THINK I AM SCUMMY?
 
Questions for all the remaining players, as I don't want to vote just yet. We still have the messages to be delivered and all.

I am heavily leaning towards a Seath lynch. I think he will flip scum, and it'll lead us with a trail of blood that'll direct us right to the remaining scum members.

Now that we know that attempting to lynch a God only causes a no-lynch, what do you all think about a Seath lynch? Support? Opposed? Anyone else you'd want to lynch first? If so, why?
At this point we have killed no mafia and we know Seath is guaranteed scum since there should be no other reason to claim Peri. Only question is was he truthful with his claim to be Peri.
 
Has OA contributed anything? Honestly. I mean...I really haven't either, but I get the feeling that he's hiding from us. He just...it feels like he's trying to direct conversations the way he wants them to. In every post of his I read, I can't help but feel like he's trying to mislead in some capacity.

Swamped is MIA and just kind of comes and goes. I know that's not a definite scum tell, but it has piqued my interest.

You do realize we haven't lynched a single mafia member, so maybe the "contributors" are the problem? Where exactly am I misleading town to again?

Also, I'm trying to mislead and hide at the same time? You flatter me, but no.
 
I've said it before, one of does not have to be mafia. You should know that coming from Ace Attorney Mr. Hammer. I, and others remember watching town completely cannibalize each other at end game.
Situations are not the same.All mafia were killed in Ace Attorney. We are looking for a group not one person, everyone hasn't been confirmed, etc.
Which is why I said consider other options, there are other mafia still
Wording on this is weird. When did we find 1 mafia to make you say "go look for other mafia". I guess you could mean Seath? But you were talking about yourself. *shrug*

Also, that claim was an utter mess, I can hardly believe that people

You didn't finish the sentence?

Also, I do think that a couple others have jumped up my rankings because of my vote.
Continue?

Anything you want to say about the supposed dream you had?
 
You do realize we haven't lynched a single mafia member, so maybe the "contributors" are the problem? Where exactly am I misleading town to again?

Also, I'm trying to mislead and hide at the same time? You flatter me, but no.

I'm just basing this off of my gut reads, dude. It's more than just contributions; it's the fact that everyone is on a wild witch hunt and isn't really focusing on anything in particular. Like, day one, for example, people spent the whole fucking day just talking about Gorlak and how weird he was.

I just get the feeling that you're hindering the scum hunt; you come in, drop a post or two, and vanish. Poof. Gone. You start just enough discussion on something that I don't think really matters and then disappear. That's weird to me. Is it enough for me to drop a vote on you right now? No. But I'd like to wait and see, regardless.
 
Actually if OA was town and spell does exist. Couldn't we use the spell on Seath? That would answer our questions w/o wasting a possible lynch.

Although OA would have to let us know about the "used wrong" part killing the user.
 
Nvm, guess we can't really trust OA to tell us how to use it w/o flip. OA may give us wrong instructions and kill townie.

Also I wouldn't trust OA to use it, only Zipped or Sophia, but not worth losing confirmed townie over possibly evil spell.
 
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