I had zero expectations and I really don't like anything Snyder has done. I mean visually I find him interesting, but that's about it. But here I am finding myself really liking a lot of this. Typically I would hate this kind of movie, but I kind of really digging it. I wish it was more of the first half hour which I found so damn good. When it hits it's really interesting. I never see these movies twice expect for Iron Man, but I'm diff seeing the 3 hour ver.
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Batman > Superman: Dawn of Justice |OT| Enter the Knightmare
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I had zero expectations and I really don't like anything Snyder has done. I mean visually I find him interesting, but that's about it. But here I am finding myself really liking a lot of this. Typically I would hate this kind of movie, but I kind of really digging it. I wish it was more of the first half hour which I found so damn good. When it hits it's really interesting. I never see these movies twice expect for Iron Man, but I'm diff seeing the 3 hour ver.
This was so fun to watch. Loved the part with Jesse lol
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Now now DeathBoy, don't be butthurt because other people hate a movie that you liked. Opinions are okay.
I wouldn't go so far as Echo though, there are plenty of worse movies out there, but the more I think about BvS the more disappointed I am in it. I really just hate this cinematic DC Universe Snyder's created, like it's so bad to me that I don't really want to watch any more of it.
At this point my only hope is that WB hires someone else to make Justice League and Superman resurrects into something more like his historical self, Batman once again adopts a less homicidal mantra, and we get a coherent well directed movie with actual characters people can like.
BvS was such a disappointing mess.
That was pretty awesome, and a good laugh, I enjoyed the movie but the charisma of these actors and especially cavil was really a missed opportunity in that they didn't take advantage of it in the film.
Grinchy
Banned
The hate for the movie seems really overblown. Anyone who has sat through Amazing Spiderman 2 or Thor 2 knows what an unwatchable mess actually is. I may have slight issues or ideas on things i would have done differently, but this was a decent movie.
I wish they had completely cut Wonder Woman out of it, though. She was pointless and out of place.
I wish they had completely cut Wonder Woman out of it, though. She was pointless and out of place.
DrForester
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Fancy Clown
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worst movie I've seen in quite a while. impressively bad.
I wonder how the the story would have operated without her. Because as it stands she was my fave part of the whole film, and from a lot of audience reports I've seen around the place she was also what generated most excitement.
The story would've been perfectly fine without her just as it would've been perfectly fine without the Lois "bullet" subplot. She was only a minor inconvenience to Bruce early on, and obviously you rework the fight to be only Superman and Batman.
She was OK, it didn't bother me she was there, but it was just to have her there and nothing more. Half her screen time was looking at screens, the other half was the same reaction shot repeated 3 times to her theme and a few seconds of sword/lasso action.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
This will probably be the first time I see a movie twice in theaters sonce The Dark Knight.
Going to go for 5 buck Tuesday. I really liked most of it and want to see how it plays through a second time knowing how everything plays out. I avoided pretty much all media for the movie before it came out, including trailers, previews, etc. Just like TFA, which worked really well for that movie, too.
Can't wait to see it again and then get the Ultimate Cut in July!
Going to go for 5 buck Tuesday. I really liked most of it and want to see how it plays through a second time knowing how everything plays out. I avoided pretty much all media for the movie before it came out, including trailers, previews, etc. Just like TFA, which worked really well for that movie, too.
Can't wait to see it again and then get the Ultimate Cut in July!
I think I could shatter the sanity of a modern movie watcher with my VHS library. These people have no idea what a bad movie is.
Fancy Clown
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bruh, like the whole second half of the movie was non stop fight scenes. If anything there was too much action
He probably means there's no action in the 1st + 2nd acts and that all the action is in the last half of the movie, which I agree with.
Father_Brain
Banned
Not to mention that the end of the film would make a lot more sense if she wasn't there.
I can't say my worst fears about the character were realized - Gadot did fine with what little material she had, and she doesn't feel like she wandered in from a different movie or anything - but it feels distinctly like she was only added to the script after the main Superman/Batman/Lex beats were already locked in, and not because Goyer or Terrio had any great story idea for her.
Fancy Clown
Member
That's fair I guess. I liked the first act the most by far though. Batman's intro was great. That's the kind of tone I want for a solo Batman film, get back to him being scary as shit.
Discotheque
Banned
Yeah first act was easily the best.
I loved batmans first scene. You hear those screams in the house and the cops are nervous to even investigate them
Batman was practically a horror movie monster there.
The more and more I think about it though the more I hate it
I'm sure a lot of people who loved the phantom menace when it came out can relate.
Grinchy
Banned
That's cool, but the story could have easily operated without her. Everything about her inclusion felt crowbarred in.
Yeah, even though I love her I guess if she wasn't there at all there would have been more room for interaction between Superman and Batman which would have been good to see (and the reason many have gone to see since they're in the title)..
Saw it last night and enjoyed it. Not the disaster I was expecting... My main complaints were Eisenberg's manic Lex and Lois and the Bullet. I guess it made no sense for Lex's henchman to use custom bullets and even when Lois found out, it didn't go anywhere. And other issues, but...
Maybe they should do a buddy comedy titled Lois and the Bullet. Zing!
Wait... I think the Bullet had a better poker face than Cavilll. Zing!
I think the Bullet and Lane knew when to call it quits, unlike the movie! Zing!
I'll be here all night folks.
Maybe they should do a buddy comedy titled Lois and the Bullet. Zing!
Wait... I think the Bullet had a better poker face than Cavilll. Zing!
I think the Bullet and Lane knew when to call it quits, unlike the movie! Zing!
I'll be here all night folks.
TimFL
Member
Watched it for the first time last night and I have to agree with the 29% RT score... I honestly couldn't wait for the movie to end (this is a first actually, never before have I checked my watch for the time or left the cinema during the movie to get a snack so I don't fall asleep).
Only redeeming part was Batman as a whole, Superman was a pathetic character once again (+ the rest of the cast was cheap too).
Only redeeming part was Batman as a whole, Superman was a pathetic character once again (+ the rest of the cast was cheap too).
Just got back from watching it and I must say I genuinely enjoyed it. I know it wont be everyone's cup of tea but after seeing what seemed to be a shitstorm of negative opinion I was a little worried.
There were some strange choices and odd plots from several arcs of the superman and batman histories but I don't think anyone should be beholden to adhering too close to the established lore.
I felt genuine joy through most of the scenes and I am looking forward to seeing where it goes from here. And I say that as someone who grew up with the Timmverse and last decade plus of animated movies. Though I can see elements that would piss off those who want the characters to stay as they always have been. Seeing batman kill a good number of people was certainly a surprise
There were some strange choices and odd plots from several arcs of the superman and batman histories but I don't think anyone should be beholden to adhering too close to the established lore.
I felt genuine joy through most of the scenes and I am looking forward to seeing where it goes from here. And I say that as someone who grew up with the Timmverse and last decade plus of animated movies. Though I can see elements that would piss off those who want the characters to stay as they always have been. Seeing batman kill a good number of people was certainly a surprise
Strider_Blaze
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Watched BvS with family last night (and an open mind, and not taking too much into account the negative reception) and I actually thought it was pretty decent, but it's indeed very flawed.
Plot was hard to follow, too much reliance on CG, it drags on at certain parts (particularly the ending), some plot holes, and I kind of feel nothing paid off in the end. In a way thanks to one of the "big" twists being already spoiled in one of the trailers. Plus there was so much crammed into one film, pretty much seeing as Warner Bros. is trying to kick off the DC Extended Universe ASAP.
However I did enjoy its action scenes and Ben Affleck, Gal Gadot, and Jeremy Irons were great casting choices especially Gadot! Meanwhile, Jesse Eisenberg turned out to be an actual mixed bag for me after putting some thought on his performance. On one hand, he was definitely a miscast for the role of Lex Luthor (not even being the Jr. would be an excuse for me). But at the same time, he was acting very well for what he was given if at times being very, very awkward to take seriously. So I generally disliked his performance less than I thought.
Overall I enjoyed the film more than Man of Steel. So will look forward to the next DC films, particularly for Wonder Woman and Suicide Squad; there is always room for improvement, and the DCEU absolutely needs it.
Plot was hard to follow, too much reliance on CG, it drags on at certain parts (particularly the ending), some plot holes, and I kind of feel nothing paid off in the end. In a way thanks to one of the "big" twists being already spoiled in one of the trailers. Plus there was so much crammed into one film, pretty much seeing as Warner Bros. is trying to kick off the DC Extended Universe ASAP.
However I did enjoy its action scenes and Ben Affleck, Gal Gadot, and Jeremy Irons were great casting choices especially Gadot! Meanwhile, Jesse Eisenberg turned out to be an actual mixed bag for me after putting some thought on his performance. On one hand, he was definitely a miscast for the role of Lex Luthor (not even being the Jr. would be an excuse for me). But at the same time, he was acting very well for what he was given if at times being very, very awkward to take seriously. So I generally disliked his performance less than I thought.
Overall I enjoyed the film more than Man of Steel. So will look forward to the next DC films, particularly for Wonder Woman and Suicide Squad; there is always room for improvement, and the DCEU absolutely needs it.
Mac the KNife
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Saw the film yesterday and while it's not at all what I wanted or expected from the very first Batman/Superman movie, I still found it enjoyable. Much like I found some enjoyment in Man Of Steel by approaching it more as an alien invasion/disaster movie than a superhero one, Batman v Superman benefits from a similar approach.
There's been a lot of discussion about what Superman and Batman are and are not in the past few weeks, but these characters have been around for over 75 years and have been written and drawn by hundreds of people over that period. These characters, like many others like them, aren't singular creations. This film is simply another interpretation of them and I can at least appreciate Zack Snyder trying something different.
There's been a lot of discussion about what Superman and Batman are and are not in the past few weeks, but these characters have been around for over 75 years and have been written and drawn by hundreds of people over that period. These characters, like many others like them, aren't singular creations. This film is simply another interpretation of them and I can at least appreciate Zack Snyder trying something different.
That was my take also, after the first few scenes I allowed myself to forgive the glaring character changes and accept that this is another interpretation. I just watched Kevin Smith's review and the "Parademon effect" he described nails how I felt. I got to see Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman on screen together in live action, I got to see Parademons and the mention/threat of Darkseid. I got to see the hint of either Infinite Crisis/Injustice Gods Among Us arc. I got to see, what I felt were, great depictions of the Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman, as well as a great Batman, a great Wonder Woman, a solid Superman, a fantastic Alfred, and ..... well I'll just not comment on Luthor for obvious reasons.
I certainly didn't see it as the shitshow many describe and would certainly rank it higher than a fair few of the Marvel and Fox films. Although saying that I do feel that quality wise it will be eclipsed by Civil War, Suicide Squad, and possibly X-Men: Apocalypse (really not sure on the casting for the big bad in that one but the recent trailer I saw before BvS did settle some concerns)
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
What?!
Get that reasonable shit out of here.
We need to hate this unrecognizable, non superhero movie tripe into oblivion.
Well I finally saw this today and with my expectations absolutely rock bottom and I ended up enjoying all of the Batman scenes and also Wonder Woman was a revelation, with just these two this fighting Doomsday this would've been solid.
But then you have Snyders Superman Cavill who remains an absolute SHIT SHOW, and Louis Lane blows a fan on it so the smell is everywhere. Cavill is not the man of steel and is just a steely dick.
The movie was pacing seemed fine except for the end with the funeral and Louis mourning which actually felt longer than the climax of the film, just brutally awful.
And then you have Essienberg as Lex which ultimately is the final nail in the coffin for this film. If someone edited out him/Supes and Lois this movie is 5 stars.
Shout out to Hans Zimmer for another brilliant sound track, especially WonderWOman theme. Brilliant!
Superman needs a reboot and what Snyder has done to the lovable goof is a crime
But then you have Snyders Superman Cavill who remains an absolute SHIT SHOW, and Louis Lane blows a fan on it so the smell is everywhere. Cavill is not the man of steel and is just a steely dick.
The movie was pacing seemed fine except for the end with the funeral and Louis mourning which actually felt longer than the climax of the film, just brutally awful.
And then you have Essienberg as Lex which ultimately is the final nail in the coffin for this film. If someone edited out him/Supes and Lois this movie is 5 stars.
Shout out to Hans Zimmer for another brilliant sound track, especially WonderWOman theme. Brilliant!
Superman needs a reboot and what Snyder has done to the lovable goof is a crime
Technosteve
Banned
Synder is a murder, he murdered superman's
foxuzamaki
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So I just got home from the move theatre and my overall thoughts is I enjoyed it, I'm no pro when it comes to judging a movie's quality bUT while it's probably bad I don't think it was as bad as it was made out to be, with that said, batman the killer holy shit haha, I assume it's to coincide with a batman who is just tired of thr bullshit and is fully willing to kill because too much shit has happened because he use to let the villains go, and I feel Robin has something to do with that.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
What does too much CG mean in this instance? You can't have a character like superman, WW and doomsday without a shit ton of CG
Strider_Blaze
Member
Okay maybe not too much CG; you make a point about Doomsday, though I don't recall the use of CG for WW.
However there was one moment I thought the CG was pretty conspicuous:
But correct me if I'm wrong.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
But there's nothing reasonable there at all.
shanafan
Member
Saw Batman V Superman over the weekend, and I liked it. I thought the story was interesting, especially the first 20 minutes when Bruce Wayne was witnessing all the destruction that Superman/Zod were causing. Very well done.
It was a very dark film, with minor moments of humor - but I didn't go into the film expecting to laugh so I was fine with that.
... Am I allowed to say that I enjoyed it more than Deadpool?
It was a very dark film, with minor moments of humor - but I didn't go into the film expecting to laugh so I was fine with that.
... Am I allowed to say that I enjoyed it more than Deadpool?
SUPARSTARX
Member
With all the slow motion scenes in here, they could've left it with shorter slow motion and actually fit that extra Lex Luthor scene in they released online with the motherboxes.
Damn it, this movie could've been much better.
Damn it, this movie could've been much better.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I actually don't remember any slow motion scenes. Which parts were they, outside of maybe the funeral scene?
Triggerhappytel
Member
Saw this on Saturday. Very mixed opinions on it; it was probably a straight 5/10 for me. Some thoughts:
- The action was great, as you would expect from Zack Snyder, although there was too much CGI
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- Wonder Woman was awesome. I like the way she just shows up, saves Bruce and then
. It's a shame she didn't get more material to work with.
- Lex Luthor was awful; possibly the worst comic book movie supervillain in recent memory. I never had a clear idea of his motivation, and I didn't like Eisenberg's portrayal of him at all.
- The film focuses too much on Batman, and not enough on Superman.
- The scene with Lois
. She's such a bad character in these films, which is a shame as I usually really like Amy Adams.
- Superman is dumb, and makes very little effort to talk Batman down. Had he spent 30 seconds talking to Batman at the very beginning of the fight instead of throwing him through buildings the whole thing would have probably been resolved.
- Batman is an idiot and is too easily manipulated by Lex, and he doesn't come across as a good detective at all (admittedly he never has on film). Also, I'm not a fan of the cold-blooded murder.
- The idea that they had to make
was idiotic.
- The clips of Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman were stupid. There has to be a more natural way of integrating these characters into the universe than this.
- The whole film feels like it focuses too much on the Justice League set-up, and not enough on its own plot.
- I don't mind the idea of
.
I dunno. Despite all this I quite enjoyed it, although not as much as Man of Steel. I think that was the better film because it was more focused.
- The action was great, as you would expect from Zack Snyder, although there was too much CGI
in the battle with Doomsday
- Wonder Woman was awesome. I like the way she just shows up, saves Bruce and then
starts to beat the shit out of Doomsday
- Lex Luthor was awful; possibly the worst comic book movie supervillain in recent memory. I never had a clear idea of his motivation, and I didn't like Eisenberg's portrayal of him at all.
- The film focuses too much on Batman, and not enough on Superman.
- The scene with Lois
throwing the spear into the water, seeing the others battle Doomsday from a couple of miles away and then deciding that they probably need the spear was so fucking stupid
- Superman is dumb, and makes very little effort to talk Batman down. Had he spent 30 seconds talking to Batman at the very beginning of the fight instead of throwing him through buildings the whole thing would have probably been resolved.
- Batman is an idiot and is too easily manipulated by Lex, and he doesn't come across as a good detective at all (admittedly he never has on film). Also, I'm not a fan of the cold-blooded murder.
- The idea that they had to make
Doomsday follow them back to the spear rather than keep him contained and bring the spear to him
- The clips of Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman were stupid. There has to be a more natural way of integrating these characters into the universe than this.
- The whole film feels like it focuses too much on the Justice League set-up, and not enough on its own plot.
- I don't mind the idea of
Superman dying, but I think they should have built up more how he was a hero to the public and his death would be a huge loss. Also, they shouldn't have had a coffin shot at the end, as it cheapens his death
I dunno. Despite all this I quite enjoyed it, although not as much as Man of Steel. I think that was the better film because it was more focused.
Pretty much. I feel like this movie doesn't know what it wants to be and ends up just being a collection of scenes that don't mesh together at all. Is it a Batman v Superman movie? Is it a Man of Steel sequel? Is it a Dawn of Justice/Pre-Justice League movie? Fuck it let's cram everything in there.
They had a right idea in tackling the idea of Superman and what he means to the world but this movie is just too ambitious for Snyder.
At least Man of Steel knew what it wanted to be and I loved that movie. I just hope that Justice League is more focused.
That's a great tragedy of this film.
It is absolute shit compared to what it could have been.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
Watched this last night. Went in with super-low expectations after the internet snark, only saw it because most of the really smart people I know IRL who also know comics liked it.
WTF is wrong with you, internet? That was a really good time! My date said the same, and she knew/cared literally nothing about any of these characters going in ("does Superman naturally have good hearing?"). Yeah, for sure there were a couple of "character X should have totally done something different" moments, but I have a hard time believing those could be enough to ruin a whole movie for anyone who watches blockbusters regularly.
I like that they went for a serious tone instead of aping the Marvel movie formula with wink-wink humour that never showed up in the comics.
I like how many different plot threads they packed in, it made the movie feel substantial. Like, have any of you ever read a crossover event? They're even more densely plotted.
As popcorn blockbusters go I thought this was legitimately a better time than Force Awakens. Cooler than Age of Ultron for sure. 8/10 was the number in my head as I walked out out of the theatre.
WTF is wrong with you, internet? That was a really good time! My date said the same, and she knew/cared literally nothing about any of these characters going in ("does Superman naturally have good hearing?"). Yeah, for sure there were a couple of "character X should have totally done something different" moments, but I have a hard time believing those could be enough to ruin a whole movie for anyone who watches blockbusters regularly.
I like that they went for a serious tone instead of aping the Marvel movie formula with wink-wink humour that never showed up in the comics.
I like how many different plot threads they packed in, it made the movie feel substantial. Like, have any of you ever read a crossover event? They're even more densely plotted.
As popcorn blockbusters go I thought this was legitimately a better time than Force Awakens. Cooler than Age of Ultron for sure. 8/10 was the number in my head as I walked out out of the theatre.
Etrian Oddity
Member
The internet equates Zack Snyder to Michael Bay, so the hate is definitely overblown.
Apart from Guardians of the Galaxy, I'd put this above most of Marvel's superhero movies. * shrug *
Jack Remington
Banned
People will openly speculate that there's something wrong with your brain if you bring that opinion into certain threads.
I saw it again recently and will probably revise my rating of it down a bit. 6.9/10
I saw it again recently and will probably revise my rating of it down a bit. 6.9/10
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
This kind indignant, persecution-complexy, special snowflake attitude is starting to get annoying. It's perfectly fine for people to enjoy Batman v. Superman. But the viewers who happened to enjoy said movie have to, without fail each and every time, inject some sort of smug "well, I for one, enjoyed it" one-liner, and then delve into some pointless analysis about why the people with different opinions from them disliked the movie. "The haters expected this and didn't get it, so therefore...", or "People only disliked this movie because it's not Marvel" or "It's a different approach from certain pedestrian, generic, paint-by-the-numbers movie!" Or shit, even "Most people who hated this movie didn't even see it!" shtick you saw floating around for a while couple weeks earlier.
People have different opinions. That's all there is to it.
Like, shit, just live with your opinion and leave it at that. Why do fans of this movie incessantly feel the need to justify why they like a piece of entertainment, or worse, why others disliked it? The very act of doing that is exposing your insecurity; most others don't share your opinion so apparently you feel slighted, and thus, those people must be wrong or biased. You don't see so-called 'haters' (this term is problematic as well) trying to figure out why people actually liked BvS. They don't care, and neither should the fans of BvS.
Aren't you... doing the exact same thing you are accusing someone else of doing? Lol. Like, you even had to bold it to make your point about how it was every single one on the other side. Rofl.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Absolutely brilliant takedown of that garbage attitude.
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
Er, no? I don't mean to be rude, but maybe read my post one more time.
It's the same shit. You're telling someone that they should just live with their opinion without trying to analyse why anyone else might have disagreed, or to even voice their opinion by "justifying" it, and then you proceed to declare that there is a specific behaviour pattern in every single person who likes the film. Same sort of gross exaggeration and generalization.
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
That's not what I mean when I say justify. Justifying your opinion as in explaining it is cool, justifying by offering some sort of reason that subtly hints that the other side is biased in some sort of way, which is what I see plenty of in a ton of BvS threads, is not so cool. "I enjoyed BvS, because I like variety in movies!" kind of passive-aggressive comments is what I'm talking about.
I mean, sure, I was generalizing when I said each and every time, but holy hell does it happen frequently. You're in general agreement when the overall sentiment though, yes? That this sort of attitude is prevalent and shouldn't be?
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