I'd get it if they never mentioned Zelda was in development but they showed it off and said it would absolutely be out in 2015. Can you blame people for getting a Wii U based on that?
Thanks. You are really helping.
When did that happen?Because they announced it.
No they didn't.Because they announced it.
I bought a PS4 for Rime. I know how it feels
You bought a PS4 because of one indie game?
Were the PS2 games owned digitally already?
could be worse. i bought a ps3 for the last guardian, final fantasy versus xiii, and heavy rain.
Hey, two out of the three are coming out this year
Zelda has a history of delays. Games can and do get delayed or cancelled, all the time, in fact. Among other reasons not to base buying decisions on a single piece of software that doesn't yet exist for consumers to actually buy.Sorry, but this is lame, blaming the people who spend money. If everybody would just wait for his or her favourite game to buy a console, no console launch would ever be successful.
Now, I'm not defending cyberheater, because he was a negative Nancy here since the day he bought it.
But this attitude of "why did you buy it?" is shitty. The customer is not to be blamed for the company's failures.
well as a twist, i wish that heavy rain never came out.
The only failure present is a lack of logical reasoning and pragmatic utilization of money on the part of the consumer.
No, the consumer is stupid for buying a console for a game that doesn't exist for purchase and therefore be wholly unlike the product they expected and may not exist in a time window they consider acceptable, especially a game in a series with a long standing history of delays.Yes, I agree with you, the consumer is stupid for giving Nintendo money. /s
When did that happen?
I'll just stop now, though. It's obvious that you're been burned to a crisp and can't expect anything good to happen. We'll just wait and see.
Sorry, but this is lame, blaming the people who spend money. If everybody would just wait for his or her favourite game to buy a console, no console launch would ever be successful.
Now, I'm not defending cyberheater, because he was a negative Nancy here since the day he bought it.
But this attitude of "why did you buy it?" is shitty. The customer is not to be blamed for the company's failures.
I assumed from the way they talked about it last year Nintendo wanted NWC to be an annual thing, feels like it would certainly give them something to focus on this E3 other than Zelda, and they could dip into the older titles rather than relying on new upcoming ones.
It did exist and Nintendo said it was going to get release in 2015. Now it's going to 2017. Fucking two years later.
No, the consumer is stupid for buying a console for a game that doesn't exist for purchase and therefore be wholly unlike the product they expected and may not exist in a time window they consider acceptable.
They're not showing their console that's coming out in less than a year at E3?! Are they completely fucking insane? I hate to say it, but Nintendo is on the path to hell. People come to E3 for a reason and their unwillingness to participate fully will be the death of them. Nobody but Nintendo fanboys and girls watch Nintendo direct.
Everyone would watch Nintendo Directs if they told us they would reveal new hardware. Nobody is going to say they're not interested in Nintendo's products because it's not a live conference.They're not showing their console that's coming out in less than a year at E3?! Are they completely fucking insane? I hate to say it, but Nintendo is on the path to hell. People come to E3 for a reason and their unwillingness to participate fully will be the death of them. Nobody but Nintendo fanboys and girls watch Nintendo direct.
Yes, I agree with you, the consumer is stupid for giving Nintendo money. /s
No, the consumer is stupid for buying a console for a game that doesn't exist for purchase and therefore be wholly unlike the product they expected and may not exist in a time window they consider acceptable, especially a game in a series with a long standing history of delays.
But let's ignore that and blame someone else when it's not warranted. That'll really serve us well in an industry known for not keeping its word on a consistent basis.
Everyone would watch Nintendo Directs if they told us they would reveal new hardware. Nobody is going to say they're not interested in Nintendo's products because it's not a live conference.
Yes. Or the march release is another lie (to please investors) and it's gonna be at an E3 before launch after all.
At this point, the game simply can't live up to 6 years of dev time I'd wager.
They're isolating information to a smaller audience. Yes, media outlets will report on it, but will it have the same impact? E3 is the place to show off what you're doing in the gaming industry. If you want to make big news that's the way to do it because people expect it. Their unwillingness to participate at all in E3 just shows me they're still in their little bubble. Zelda is not going to make the vast majority of people give a damn about Nintendo.
I'm not saying NX skipping E3 is a smart idea. I was responding to your Nintendo Direct remark. People who say they will only watch the hardware reveal if it's on the E3 stage probably weren't interested to begin with. In the end it shouldn't matter how they announce it as long as they say the right things.They're isolating information to a smaller audience. Yes, media outlets will report on it, but will it have the same impact? E3 is the place to show off what you're doing in the gaming industry. If you want to make big news that's the way to do it because people expect it. Their unwillingness to participate at all in E3 just shows me they're still in their little bubble. Zelda is not going to make the vast majority of people give a damn about Nintendo.
I'm not saying NX skipping E3 is a smart idea. I was responding to your Nintendo Direct remark. People who say they will only watch the hardware reveal if it's on the E3 stage probably weren't interested to begin with. In the end it shouldn't matter how they announce it as long as they say the right things.
I think you're overestimating the impact of this.-Nintendo very late to the Trophy/achievement party, many gamers are likely tied in to their ecosystem now
Anyone investing into Nintendo is doing it wrong at this point.
I'm not saying NX skipping E3 is a smart idea. I was responding to your Nintendo Direct remark. People who say they will only watch the hardware reveal if it's on the E3 stage probably weren't interested to begin with. In the end it shouldn't matter how they announce it as long as they say the right things.
I'm not sure niche is the word you should be using, since having a 10m+ standard would mean most games are niche, which is silly to think in my opinion.Can we really be sure of that? Planning/early stages sure but the team made ALBW in between.
Isn't that because of the type of game it is, not how it's presented? Back in the day it was very hard to convey convincing game characters in games so they had to give them hats as a way to circumvent rendering the hair for example. Nowadays Link is perceived as a kiddy Nintendo mascot compared to protagonists like Geralt because of the way he looks. Whenever people see stylized and abstract visuals they assume it's a kids game, that's how bad gaming has become. Zelda needs to "mature" in terms of presentation and add "modern" gameplay systems like loot management, talent trees and other things you see in WRPGs if you want the game to reach a wider audience.
I'm sure Nintendo would go all out on the marketing if they thought it had the potential. In 2011 they doubled down on the music element because they know Skyrim and other releases that year would destroy Skyward Sword visually. Now they have the open world aspect they're gonna push hard, but I think the game is fundamentally niche (as in, not anywhere near 10m+ sales) due to the anime-ish style. Therefore, I don't see a point in going big in terms of E3 stage conferences and ads at the UEFA champions leage. Uncharted 4 can do those things because the franchise has more mass market potential.
For what game did you buy the Wii U?
Possibly. just the hardcore are likely worried about the score or trophy list. But digital library, especially if b/c going forward is standard, could be somewhat of a factorI think you're overestimating the impact of this.
People apparently switched from the MS ecosystem to the Sony one with little to no issues during the last generational transition, so of all the things you are mentioned I believe this is the one which would affect NX the least. Likely not at all.
So did I. I even got the bundle.I bought it for NintendoLand, because Luigi's Ghost Mansion is amazing. And Pikmin 3.
Are we done here now?
PS4 launch conference: A hall full of journalists is chanting ,,Sony" while the entire industry was watching during the biggest gaming event of the year
vs.
Kimishima/Reggie standing in front of a white wall and maybe showing doting skits (during a random date the year, when competing products like VR will already have a huge marketing advantage)
I sure wonder which one of these things would send a stronger message and stronger images to more potential consumers. WiiU fans can use their ,,E3 is irrelevant" spin all they want. But fact is, Nintendo's public perception right now is pretty much dead in the water. Right now Nintendo is not in a position in which they can expect potential consumers (in particular people they've lost) to follow their own rules of marketing. To the contrary, Nintendo would have needed to show confidence and strenght by coming back to them and convince people they are still able to ,,compete" at E3, still being a proper part of the industry. Skipping E3 with NX is already bad (and only confirming fears about NX), but doing a Direct would also inherently impress less people. Scoff at the people that would skip a Direct, but currently that's the majority of the market and the people whose attention Nintendo needs to regain first and foremost.
For what game did you buy the Wii U?
PS4 launch conference: A hall full of journalists is chanting ,,Sony" while the entire industry was watching during the biggest gaming event of the year
vs.
Kimishima/Reggie standing in front of a white wall and maybe showing awkward skits (during a random date the year, when competing products like VR will already have a huge marketing advantage)
I sure wonder which one of these things would send a stronger message and stronger images to more potential consumers. WiiU fans can use their ,,E3 is irrelevant" spin all they want. But fact is, Nintendo's public perception right now is pretty much dead in the water. Right now Nintendo is not in a position in which they can expect potential consumers (in particular people they've lost) to follow their own rules of marketing. To the contrary, Nintendo would have needed to show confidence and strenght by coming back to them and convince people they are still able to ,,compete" at E3, still being a proper part of the industry. Skipping E3 with NX is already bad (and only confirming fears about NX), but doing a Direct would also inherently impress less people. Scoff at the people that would skip a Direct, but currently that's the majority of the market and the people whose attention Nintendo needs to regain first and foremost.
The NX skipping E3's only bad if they do nothing to make up for it down the line.
I agree that they need to do a lot more than a NX Hardware Direct.
Yes, but to compensate, the event for NX needs to be, like, unprecedented. Especially compared to Nintendo's marketing efforts of the past years.
NoA's warchest will be ballooning in the near future, so they'll have the funds for it if they so wish to make a spectacular event.
Given how well they marketed Splatoon, I think they can do it if they so choose to put their minds to it.
Yes, but to compensate, the event for NX needs to be, like, unprecedented. Especially compared to Nintendo's marketing efforts of the past years. Hard to imagine they can pull it off. Currently they just make themselves look weak.
Maybe the fake controller leaks were too accurate and reception forced Nintendo to delay to rethink things.
lol
Nintendo is not Apple. No one is, really. Apple's probably the only company that can get away with the bare minimum of exposure for their products, even if several competitors offer better products than them.Yeah, the iMac really suffered in the market and drove Apple into irrelevance by not being announced with their competing products at CES back in 1998. And the iPod, for that matter. Whatever could they have been thinking? Sure didn't impress anyone, no sir. Poor Apple languishing in its continued irrelevance to this day, right?
E3 being the only option for an announcement that drives interest or that consumers give a shit about when something is announced is a weak argument. The product makes all the difference.
I bought it for NintendoLand, because Luigi's Ghost Mansion is amazing. And Pikmin 3.
Are we done here now?
i got the wii u for pikmin 3, rayman legends, nsmbu, nslu, the wonderful 101, and the wind waker. of course it was almost a year later, the system was much more affordable, and i had waited for games that i wanted to play on the machine to actually have come out.
Nintendo is not Apple. No one is, really. Apple's probably the only company that can get away with the bare minimum of exposure for their products, even if several competitors offer better products than them.
I can understand and even accept the delay into 2017, but skipping E3 for any NX showing is still a very profoundly stupid idea. It just means one less event for them to show off at, and at this point Nintendo needs all the exposure they can get. It doesn't even mean anything playable per-se; a teaser trailer or some announcements about certain features would suffice.
But nothing? That's backwards.
I think that before taking any high ground you should go check some of your posts from 2011 and 2012, before Nintendo Land was even announced. But we are done here, because it's not the right thread for this. Feel free to call stupid whomever you want, if that's how you fell you will help Nintendo.