Yeah, showing high interest and excitement totally equals buying a product with faulty expectations. Yep. Totally the same thing. Not a lick of difference there whatsoever. You caught me.
Yeah, the iMac really suffered in the market and drove Apple into irrelevance by not being announced with their competing products at CES back in 1998. And the iPod, for that matter. Whatever could they have been thinking? Sure didn't impress anyone, no sir. Poor Apple languishing in its continued irrelevance to this day, right?
E3 being the only option for an announcement that drives interest or that consumers give a shit about when something is announced is a weak argument. The product makes all the difference.
NoA's warchest will be ballooning in the near future, so they'll have the funds for it if they so wish to make a spectacular event.
Given how well they marketed Splatoon, I think they can do it if they so choose to put their minds to it.
Similar here. I got my launch WiiU for the same reason. Nearly 4 years of waiting.
I'm never buying another Nintendo console ever again. I've had it with this company.
An iPod equivalent in the gaming world would be another Wiimote-level gimmick. But then again, even Wii was (despite revisionisms) kickstarted by a strong E3 in which Nintendo has ,,beaten" Sony/MS. And they most likely don't have another gimmick that compelling. They need to get core gamers back first (and even the bare minimum of Nintendo fans they had with GCN/N64) and this E3 stunt only hurts them in that goal.
I don't want to make this thread a war of quotes or something. You're right, OK? You are perfect and make only rational decisions and posts. Fine? I'll stop here.
You bought a PS4 because of one indie game?
For what game did you buy the Wii U?
Mario, Zelda, Metroid. I will end up not having a single one of them because..
Rösti;202363589 said:Nintendo announced its plans for E3 2015 on May 13, 2015: https://youtu.be/zbvzyY1FKr0
It's less than two weeks until May 13, 2016.
They may be that company NOW, but in 1998? They were in the same position as Nintendo, people were turning away from buying their products left and right and coming off a decade of constant decline in interest of their products.
Treating Apple as though they were always permitted to be the exception to the rule is laughable.
Yeah, showing high interest and excitement totally equals putting money down on a product based solely on expectations that haven't materialized into reality. Yep. Totally the same thing. Not a lick of difference there whatsoever. You caught me.
EDIT: And more than that, any lofty expectations I might have had were quite clearly mine and mine alone, and any disappointment I have towards the Wii U I bought as a product are clearly my cross to bear, something I wholly acknowledge as fact. So thanks for proving my point, I guess?
But remember, Apple had Jobs; he was God Tier as far as getting that company back on track. Not sure Nintendo has anyone near that level. Not to say it can't happen but Nintendo certainly has their work cut out for them.
I'm in agreement though, if they do a good show for NX some other time it could obviously work for them....assuming the press get out of bed to go to it.it's going to be a digital event isn't it?
Galaxy is way closer to 3D world than 64 tbhMario, Zelda, Metroid. I will end up not having a single one of them because..
3D World, not my kind of Mario (were hoping for 64, Sunshine, Galaxy-ish), Metroid nowhere to be seen, Zelda NX.
I'm not saying NX will achieve an iPod level success. You were arguing that an E3 showing for NX is somehow the only way major interest in a product can be generated. Apple is the most culturally well-known example of this being categorically false, but there are several others that can be pointed to.
And this is without discussing how E3 was a trade show with absolutely no visibility to consumers for several years, and console makers announced hardware whenever they saw fit to, yet interest in video games somehow didn't suffer in spite of that, that people bought consoles and hardware on their merits and the timing of an announcement had so much less bearing than the content of said announcement.
If I made an irrational decision as you suggest, that's quite clearly my mistake. I'm not going to blame Nintendo (or anyone else, for that matter) for my expectations not being met when I was clearly the one who made them without waiting for the reality of the situation to play itself out. The only one implying I never make a bad decision is you... for some reason that I can't fully comprehend. So again, thanks for proving my point.
While I personally am not big on having the NX skip E3, I do agree about doing the initial reveal away from E3 (but I would have preferred it to be before E3, not afterwards). The fact that the PS4K & VR will be at E3 will take away the spotlight form Nintendo, something that they'll definitely be susceptible to due to their rapidly-decreasing market-share. Revealing the NX Platform on their own terms would ensure that Nintendo has zero competition. This way, Nintendo would dominate the headlines no matter what, while they would have competed with the PS4K for headlines had they done the initial reveal at E3.I forgot Splatoon, which was indeed one of very few occasions in the last 5 years, in which some kind of consumer communication was felt from Nintendo. But no matter what happens, there's no scenario in which skipping E3 isn't crippling them. If NX is good and their upcoming events are (surprisingly) strong too, there still would no reason for it. It's only further damaging their already broken image in public for several months, while PS4Neo and VR will gain all the mindshare without competition. If NX is shit, delaying the unveiling won't save them either.
Galaxy is way closer to 3D world than 64 tbh
Can Nintendo fans please stop comparing Nintendo to Apple? It makes zero sense and seems like a desperate argument to make it sound like Nintendo can somehow enjoy huge success with the mainstream audience simply because Apple did so.Yeah, the iMac really suffered in the market and drove Apple into irrelevance by not being announced with their competing products at CES back in 1998. And the iPod, for that matter. Whatever could they have been thinking? Sure didn't impress anyone, no sir. Poor Apple languishing in its continued irrelevance to this day, right?
E3 being the only option for an announcement that drives interest or that consumers give a shit about when something is announced is a weak argument. The product makes all the difference.
It's not the only way to generate interest. But it's the proven way and neglecting it has no logical advantage, especially if they are honest about the march release. In particular since other new hardware is also released this year. The negative reception of this news across the internet has already shown that it's a bad idea. Nintendo is the clear market loser right now and this move inherently makes people question whether something's wrong with NX or its games, or that they might not even be confident enough to show it off against a PS4 revision. They already lost their goodwill ever since WiiU and this decision is just adding fuel to the fire. A strong E3 showing (if NX is good) on the other hand would have been a relatively stressless way to start repairing their public reception... Now they need to pull off spectacular marketing later this year, which they haven't done in quite a long time.
This is not even about Nintendo, it's about how wrong is calling others stupid for acting in similar ways like you. No, calling yourself stupid doesn't make it better. That's all.
Can Nintendo fans please stop comparing Nintendo to Apple? It makes zero sense and seems like a desperate argument to make it sound like Nintendo can somehow enjoy huge success with the mainstream audience simply because Apple did so.
64, Sunshine, Galaxy, "free 360 degree camera", no timer on levels (except on very specific once), the end.
While I personally am not big on having the NX skip E3, I do agree about doing the initial reveal away from E3 (but I would have preferred it to be before E3, not afterwards). The fact that the PS4K & VR will be at E3 will take away the spotlight form Nintendo, something that they'll definitely be susceptible to due to their rapidly-decreasing market-share. Revealing the NX Platform on their own terms would ensure that Nintendo has zero competition. This way, Nintendo would dominate the headlines no matter what, while they would have competed with the PS4K for headlines had they done the initial reveal at E3.
PS4K/VR aren't going away after E3. In fact, they'll have a big lead in mindshare whenever NX is revealed. So Nintendo's day in the spotlight won't have much meaning. However, this narrative shows the problem to begin with. People expect so little of Nintendo nowdays, they think their next platform isn't even good enough to compete with a revision at E3. A revision that's still rumoured and not received that well. So E3 would have been a very good opportunity to compete and also prove their negative reception wrong. In front of a bigger audience than they'll have later - at E3 the entire industry watches, it'll always have more viewers. The actual meaty parts about X1/PS4 also were at the E3 conferences, not at the isolated events. Considering the effect of Sony's last conferences, the E3 also still has a certain prestige, no matter how hard certain people want to deny it. The new hardware by Sony/MS this year will be much easier established now that Nintendo's decided to twiddle their thumbs when everyone's watching/expecting their alternative at the start of the race. They're waiting until the race is half over and for some reson expecting the masses still care about a late starter at that point (i.e. when VR is on people's christmas wish list while NX naturally wasn't ever able to be considered).
Are you even reading before posting? Where did I make the argument that Apple was "destined" to be successful? I said you Nintendo fans have no argument to support these comparisons between the two.Yeah, Apple circa 1998 was due for an explosive amount of success at any moment. Pretending like Apple was always destined to be successful as a counter-argument comes off as no more or less desperate.
"Bucking conventionality" also doesn't mean success. So how about we see what Nintendo has that "bucks the trend" before we compare it to one of the most successful companies in history since that's a really big stretch, k?And I'm not implying that Nintendo will become equivalent to Apple, merely challenging that bucking conventionality doesn't automatically equal failure. I could talk about how this happens in other industries, but bringing up Apple is done because it's a well-known corporate history that doesn't require re-iteration. "Know your audience" and all that.
Uhh, I didn't make a product comparison, I made a marketing comparison. And never stated that bucking conventional marketing trends was a guarantee of anything. NX's success or failure will be entirely on the merits of the product. And again, Apple wasn't even "one of the most successful companies in history" even with the iMac launch back in '98, not by a long shot. But it did begin the LONG crawl out of irrelevance, and didn't have to adhere to conventional marketing wisdom to do it.Are you even reading before posting? Where did I make the argument that Apple was "destined" to be successful? I said you Nintendo fans have no argument to support these comparisons between the two.
"Bucking conventionality" also doesn't mean success. So how about we see what Nintendo has that "bucks the trend" before we compare it to one of the most successful companies in history since that's a really big stretch, k?
Know what audience? If anything, the Wii U has shown Nintendo doesn't know it's audience.
PS4K/VR aren't going away after E3. In fact, they'll have a big lead in mindshare whenever NX is revealed. So Nintendo's day in the spotlight won't have much meaning. However, this narrative shows the problem to begin with. People expect so little of Nintendo nowdays, they think their next platform isn't even good enough to compete with a revision at E3. A revision that's still rumoured and not received that well. So E3 would have been a very good opportunity to compete and also prove their negative reception wrong. In front of a bigger audience than they'll have later - at E3 the entire industry watches, it'll always have more viewers. The actual meaty parts about X1/PS4 also were at the E3 conferences, not at the isolated events. Considering the effect of Sony's last conferences, the E3 also still has a certain prestige, no matter how hard certain people want to deny it. The new hardware by Sony/MS this year will be much easier established now that Nintendo's decided to twiddle their thumbs when everyone's watching/expecting their alternative at the start of the race. They're waiting until the race is half over and for some reson expecting the masses to still care about a late starter at that point (i.e. when VR is on people's christmas wish list while NX naturally wasn't ever able to be considered for a purchase a little later).
PS4K will be a blip on the radar. It's an incremental upgrade that plays the exact same games and outputs a resolution that only affects an incredibly small number of consumers. The vast majority of consumers won't care about the fps upgrade. I don't really see how it would affect NX in the least, unless you're referring to a subsequent PS4 price cut, which would could spur sales.
PSVR, though, will be the big thing this holiday. That's going to be massive if marketed right.
Even if there are indeed some NX ports in the works, I doubt Nintendo will allow anybody to mention that before the official NX reveal. You should know Nintendo by now. Remember the whole saga with the COD ports announcements for Wii U.
Wow it looks like Mega Win Casino Slots might move from Wii U to #NX!
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Lol
I expect a lot of indie games to do the shift. Especially crowdfunded one. I'd be surprised if Yooka-Laylee or Bloodstained gets released on Wii U aswell.
I expect a lot of indie games to do the shift. Especially crowdfunded one. I'd be surprised if Yooka-Laylee or Bloodstained gets released on Wii U aswell.
I expect a lot of indie games to do the shift. Especially crowdfunded one. I'd be surprised if Yooka-Laylee or Bloodstained gets released on Wii U aswell.
I think a mix-up at the foundry is very plausible. If it's anything like PS4 and XB1, these are similar APU designs and humans do make errors. I 100 percent believe that poster's friend, but we don't know the extent to which any mix-up would be responsible for a delay. After all, Nintendo is saying it is to get software in place. If it were just production difficulties and not software, I doubt they'd have hid it and shifted the reason onto themselves. That's just a guess though since we most likely will never know that much about the foundry mix up.
I agree that PS4K won't be a desirable upgrade to the mass market at all. Time will tell there but Sony is asking for an awful lot.
Good find on the die shrink from Macronix gor that very specific product.
I'm not 100% sold on this, but if it were factual, they would likely be open to libel suits if it turned out to be a fab error that could be compensated for. Typically, corporations like to not air such dirty laundry outside of court proceedings.
Sure, i remember CoD. I also remember Project Cars and loads of other games that got announced regardles of them getting made or not, well in advance. I also remember the unprecedented partnership reel for WiiU before it was even released. So, it's not like 3rd party games getting announced well in advance and before launch is some completely unthinkable concept for Nintendo. Whether or not that means they get made is an entirely different issue ofcourse. It also doesn't have to be an official announcement. Just a dev mentioning they intend to release it "for all three consoles" or "Nintendo's next platform" in an interview. Anything goes.
I wouldn't count on that either to be honest, as XB1 has clearly shown people doesn't seem to care *that* much about backwards compatibility, neither physical nor digital stuff-related.But digital library, especially if b/c going forward is standard, could be somewhat of a factor
IIRC Sega cited vague production difficulties for the Dreamcast in 1998 and Sony in 2006 ( for the PS3), each for the limited quantities at their respective releases, as well as the PS3's delay until March 2007 in PAL regions. That's all they'd need to say to investors as the reason for the delay, and I think they would have said that. No specifics. A lot of things can cause production issues, but maybe Nintendo doesn't care to use that reason, I don't know. At the end of the day the desire to have adequate software ready for launch makes sense anyways.
There is no delay of NX, not publically, and thus they probably do not want to convey a feeling of "something went wrong" as opposed to "we want to release it here because we think that's the best". It would be different if there had been a launch date previously announced (assuming there are production difficulties, which I'm still doubtful of).
PS4K will be a blip on the radar. It's an incremental upgrade that plays the exact same games and outputs a resolution that only affects an incredibly small number of consumers. The vast majority of consumers won't care about the fps or minor graphical upgrade. I don't really see how it would affect NX in the least, unless you're referring to a subsequent PS4 price cut, which would could spur sales.
PSVR, though, will be the big thing this holiday. That's going to be massive if marketed right.
This game will be played regardless of what does(or doesn't) get announced at E3.What if there is no mention at all at E3 from the 3rd parties? We play again the game of "Is there any chance that we get this game?" like with Wii U?
I wonder what will happen with 90s Arcade Racer.
Same, honestly I picked up the PS4 version of Yooka-Laylee since I feared the Wii U would be pretty much dead in term of first party support at the time of release (= almost no reason to boot up the console), but if they are kind enough to let us change to NX I won't hesitate, at worst I'm going to double dip.I expect a lot of indie games to do the shift. Especially crowdfunded one. I'd be surprised if Yooka-Laylee or Bloodstained gets released on Wii U aswell.
What nintendo should do (imo) is release a small teaser of the next 3D mario at the end of the world championship (of they still do that).
A 20 second clip.
It wouldn't show anything about NX as a platform, but would let the internet speculate and create some hype for the next few months especially if it looks great/unique/has something special going for it.
It also has to be mario, because it's the only thing mainstream press will care about.
What if there is no mention at all at E3 from the 3rd parties? We play again the game of "Is there any chance that we get this game?" like with Wii U?
Well, in that case, clearly Nintendo issince obviously that means NX will not be getting ANY games, right?DOOOOMEDDD
What else do you suggest? Talking only about the one game we do know is getting made for NX: Zelda?