wat?
Nin, why do you trust me so much? I town read you pretty well, but you've never put any pressure on me.
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Gafia 2: The Bride of Gafia |Mafia OT| One Wedding, Many Funerals
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wat?
Nin, why do you trust me so much? I town read you pretty well, but you've never put any pressure on me.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Nin telling me I should have played better really stings.
I don't trust you. And there are for my money faar scamming players than you.
I guess what I was trying to convey is that while i think it's very possible that Launch is telling the truth and did in fact protect you from a scum kill last night, my gut still tells me that he is lying about something.
I do agree it looked like I was backing off my idea, but really it was mostly me trying to figure out what it would mean if Launch was really who he said he was, and to me, that most likely means scum tried to kill you last night. However, like I said my gut is that Launch is still hiding something. Just trying to think through the possible scenarios is all.
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
Heyy sorry for being late to the party!! I am fine with my lynch today because I truly believe you will learn more from the people who voted for me than from myself. (please keep my list from yesterday in mind!!!! especially Burb and Xam!)
I don't have a lot more to say at this point. I had fun playing with you the first couple of days, then I became busier than expected and it slipped out of my hand. I apologize for that
Good luck guys!! Lead us to a win!
I don't have a lot more to say at this point. I had fun playing with you the first couple of days, then I became busier than expected and it slipped out of my hand. I apologize for that
Good luck guys!! Lead us to a win!
my gut is telling me you are hiding something aswell and just want to put the attention towards launch. Am i right ?
I didn't put the attention on Launch, he did that all himself.
Nin seems to be extremely willing to follow people this game.
-I react on Launch his claim that I don't believe it, Nin almost immediately follows with a vote for launch.
- I unvote launch because I want to see how scum reacts to him this night, Nin almost immediately also unvotes.
- Tim voted for me and voiced suspicion, Nin almost immediately responded that he agrees and also find me suspicious.
- You make a case against Timeaisis, and Nin almost immediately votes timeaisis.
And this is only of one real life day of interactions, if you look back I think you can find way more. The only train he didn't jump on was the BSP lynch for some reason. If it wasn't for the timing of his vote on Weemad, he would be my top scum suspect.
i follow my gut, not some Donut like you.
Which kind of donut? Plain? Or with frosting?
Frosting of course
.No Bs now. I get that i have been playing very bad this game but i dont know where i am at with everyone. I am all over the place with my mind in this game right now.
Too many posibilities
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I thought the day ended today for some reason.
Anyway, judging from BSP's response, I actually don't think she's scum. She's not even defending herself; for a person who is understandably busy, I would expect if she were scum, she would stick around at least for a few minutes to respond to other people. She just rolled over completely. I'm not comfortable with this.
UNVOTE
Anyway, judging from BSP's response, I actually don't think she's scum. She's not even defending herself; for a person who is understandably busy, I would expect if she were scum, she would stick around at least for a few minutes to respond to other people. She just rolled over completely. I'm not comfortable with this.
UNVOTE
The thing that makes me thing she is town is not how she reacted to the train against her, but how other people reacted. That was actually the main reason I voted for her: We weren't getting anything out of her to help us read her, so I wanted to see how people would react to a BSP train to base my read of her on that. It is not ideal, but at least it would give us something to work with.
And looking at that, she was one vote away from turbo for a good 8 hours, and.....the thread died. There wasn't really a sudden hard push against someone else. It felt like everyone was ok with this lynch, including scum. Would scum really risk losing a member to basically a low activity policy lynch like this? There was a bit of a push towards me from Tim after the BSP train started, but nothing really heavy. Looking at these reactions on a BSP lynch, I doubt she is scum. I think scum was totally fine with just hanging in the background and watching us policy lynch BSP.
It just feels that town is OK with killing a potential town player. I would rather lynch those that have shown discrepancies in the past since killing BSP now will tell us nothing and we lose another town player next night. Leaving us in a worse position. Again I am not defending BSP for being afk the whole game but like you already pointed out. If she was scum. She would have put down a far better show before getting lynched.
AbsolutBro
Member
I did not (read: cannot) perform an action, so I didnt get any notice of being blocked. I suspected by your own posts that you blocked me, not because of anything else.
Or the scum were all already voting for her! *dun* *dun* *duuuuuun*
I don't see the benefit of wasting a lynch like that.
Oh, BSP chimed in. Eh. Still a lot of nothing. I don't want to question real life issues, so I'll leave that alone. Her reaction doesn't really swing her either way for me though.
And I know it's a bit meta, but I'm taking everything nin says about BSP with several grains of salt.
And I know it's a bit meta, but I'm taking everything nin says about BSP with several grains of salt.
Well, she played me once the last game so I could be wrong all along.
Wouldn't be surprised if some scum was on the bsp vote. I think she is town now. However, she is pretty useless town, scum will not kill her, so she needs to seriously step up her game soon, there is a decent chance she will make it to end game and have to hunt for scum. This level of activity wouldn't be acceptable in that case.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
You're right, actually. No anxiousness to bus her. No push for anyone else. No strong feelings of anything. Just quiet. If anything, that's the most telling thing about this.
Now, I know this is going to feel like a bit of a heelturn considering I agree with you, but
VOTE: roytheone
Tell me a little bit about yourself, roy. You enjoying the game? Having fun?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
FTFY
You're right, actually. No anxiousness to bus her. No push for anyone else. No strong feelings of anything. Just quiet. If anything, that's the most telling thing about this.
Now, I know this is going to feel like a bit of a heelturn considering I agree with you, but
VOTE: roytheone
Tell me a little bit about yourself, roy. You enjoying the game? Having fun?
well , thats quite the turn. i dont know if there is a point in it but yes, i will join that small train
VOTE: roytheone
You're right, actually. No anxiousness to bus her. No push for anyone else. No strong feelings of anything. Just quiet. If anything, that's the most telling thing about this.
Now, I know this is going to feel like a bit of a heelturn considering I agree with you, but
VOTE: roytheone
Tell me a little bit about yourself, roy. You enjoying the game? Having fun?
I do! I felt I had a pretty bad grasp on the game during the earlier days, and I didn't want to spend a lot of time reading back on people during the night in case someone barbecued me during the night. But now that is no longer a risk, I used the night to get a bit better grasp on the game, and feel better about it.
It's getting kinda comical, isn't it?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Frankly, I don't think that's true, because you haven't even bothered to test it or poke holes. Your argument amounts to "he's lying!"
Ask me anything.
I think you need to vote for Launch before nin will follow your lead.
The thing is, Jailers are alignment agnostic and everything Launch is saying could be true yet he still could be scum. Or maybe someone else on his team is the jailer and feeding him info. In this case it'd be a town roleblocker that hit cam and maybe stopped the kill last night.
What prevents me from going all in on this are Launch's targets. I could see a town or scum jailer hitting those same people for different reasons.
However, I do think Launch really thought he caught the arso the night he targeted AB, which makes me wonder if Roy and Launch are on the scum team together and scum Jailer was trying to save his buddy.
What prevents me from going all in on this are Launch's targets. I could see a town or scum jailer hitting those same people for different reasons.
However, I do think Launch really thought he caught the arso the night he targeted AB, which makes me wonder if Roy and Launch are on the scum team together and scum Jailer was trying to save his buddy.
I doubt there is a scum jailor. What source of death would they try to prevent?
BSP:s new post was weird. Like, I agree that Scum would try to defend themselves but... I dont like she seems to have given up more or less. It's also odd how she keeps insisting on Xam, even though Xam has a proven role, that isn't even mirrored by any other role now that Launch original roleclaim is proven BS.
BSP:s new post was weird. Like, I agree that Scum would try to defend themselves but... I dont like she seems to have given up more or less. It's also odd how she keeps insisting on Xam, even though Xam has a proven role, that isn't even mirrored by any other role now that Launch original roleclaim is proven BS.
The arsonist? Sometimes scum can have a jailer just for a more believable claim. I don't think it's completely out of the question
Barring Launch being a scum Jailor (which you guys covered, and the roles that have appeared so far wouldn't lead me to believe that scum has a Jailor, other than as a red herring to give scum some goodwill), the only other scenario I see if Launch is scum is there's another scum role out there that can block/intercept actions and Launch knows that there isn't a jailor so he can claim it.
I don't think this is the case, though.
Xamtheking
Member
This may or may not be last post of day phase
Tomorrow morning is murky
VOTE: LaunchpadMcQ
Tomorrow morning is murky
VOTE: LaunchpadMcQ
Just in case you scan the thread later - you don't believe Launch?
I guess I'm leaning lightly on BSP right now, but I don't have a strong feeling for her. Fireblend feels like a better candidate overall for me for lynching a more inactive person. And then there's Xam, who I keep going back and forth on. It seems like he gets really into something, charges, and then backs off until he has something interesting to say. Which is OK, but I don't know how to read it.
Also, I have a slightly bad feeling about Salva.
I know that's a big list, but most often I have a strong feeling for like ~1 person (in this case Launch) and then am pretty iffy on a handful of others.
I'm OK with a BSP lynch, though.
Oh, yeah and regarding nin's voting practices. It fits his town MO, but I will admit it does seem like he's starting to throw shit at the wall to see what sticks.
Trying to start a bandwagon is a pretty risky move for scum, but it's a WIFOM kind of deal so I dunno. I do feel he is town. For now.
Trying to start a bandwagon is a pretty risky move for scum, but it's a WIFOM kind of deal so I dunno. I do feel he is town. For now.
Literally the only thing that is stopping me from putting a vote on Xam is that he pulled the Fire Alarm. Unless he was coordinating with a scum teammate that pulled it when he claimed it, it's most likely his ability. However, it's a pretty neutral ability, utility-wise. All factions are affected, for better or worse.
Other than that I'd put a vote on him for his Arsonist shenanigans and his sudden insistence to vote out Launch (who I am currently believing as Jailor, although alignment unknown, but probably Town).
Xamtheking
Member
Launch's claim just seems too... perfect.
Also, the title that Retro apparently gave the Scrafty role (Busty Martial Arts Freak) screams fake to me. Why would it vary from other town roles?
Also, the title that Retro apparently gave the Scrafty role (Busty Martial Arts Freak) screams fake to me. Why would it vary from other town roles?
AbsolutBro
Member
I feel like the Launch "issue" is in fact one that will resolve itself. Scum would be crazy to let him live, since him jailing someone and preventing a night kill can be a dead give away. If he survives more than a few nights, we can revisit.
BSP has been quiet, but like Launch I find her post today relatively townie. It could be a scum "go ahead and kill me" post, but it doesn't have that desperation those usually seem to have.
Burbeting- I buy the night commuter role. I'm pretty sure he's vulnerable tonight, but I really am not sure I see the point in scum killing him. He's not confirmed townie until he flips, and his power (once revealed) isn't really a threat to scum.
CzarTim- Played quieter than I'm used to, but that in and of itself isn't scummy. Bears rereading.
Fireblend - his most recent posts have assuaged my scum vibes from him, but not completely. Not trusting Scrafty because of D1 silence in a gossip chat is weird to me, for instance, because it's D1. Everyone tends to be silence, but I grant that hindsight of Scrafty being a cop may be biasing me a bit. Has voted steadily in town's favor though, and usually early on.
Nin - Motion tracker, but Im kind of starting to question which side. He's been flip flopping on Launch, but here he basically takes Launch at his word and pins movement on Roy. This is after [urk=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=203253829&postcount=2931]asking the blocker[/url] to out themselves, despite having multiple scum left. He just feels wildly inconsistent.
Ouro - Drink dude. I dont think we have to remove him as a threat, so if he is actually scum he is going to fly under my radar. Especially with his power basically confirmed. Could still be a threat, but I'm not sure I buy two arsonist-type roles. Granted, our Arsonist did not initially have an ignite, so it is possible Ouro is a pseudo arsonist. That requires a bit more stretching than I am comfortable banking on right now.
Roy - I dunno about Roy. Flat out. I dont. That's on me, since he has plenty of posts. But as much as I agree with the majority of his points, kinda like Fireblend I just have a vague feeling. There are more mitigating posts for him than Fire though.
Salva - Flurries of useful or reliable posts. Could easily be scum since most tend to be off-scum topics, but he did have a back and forth with Burb about Kalor that stands out.
Terrabyte20xx - Motion tracker. Ours or theirs, no idea. Made much less useful by outing himself early on, but still, scum has to work around him at least even if they know he's there. (assuming he's town anyway)
Time - quiet. Had a very brief gossip chat before the first fire alarm, not standing out. Then again, I wasn't watching that chat every moment, so I could have missed something. Still, not as quiet as BSP.
Ty4on - Me. Lots of useful town posts. If he's scum, he's doing a damn good job of hiding it imo. Only tiny minor thing that jumped out was "I was an ordinary". Not "I am", "I was". I don't think he's recruitable or anything, we already know Kalor was the hidden scum. Probably a typo, but my brain wouldn't let it go.
Xam - confirmed fire alarm puller, could still be scum.
If I had to pick my top three scum?
Xam
Roy
Nin? I dunno? Salva?
Look Im really bad at this.
BSP has been quiet, but like Launch I find her post today relatively townie. It could be a scum "go ahead and kill me" post, but it doesn't have that desperation those usually seem to have.
Burbeting- I buy the night commuter role. I'm pretty sure he's vulnerable tonight, but I really am not sure I see the point in scum killing him. He's not confirmed townie until he flips, and his power (once revealed) isn't really a threat to scum.
CzarTim- Played quieter than I'm used to, but that in and of itself isn't scummy. Bears rereading.
Fireblend - his most recent posts have assuaged my scum vibes from him, but not completely. Not trusting Scrafty because of D1 silence in a gossip chat is weird to me, for instance, because it's D1. Everyone tends to be silence, but I grant that hindsight of Scrafty being a cop may be biasing me a bit. Has voted steadily in town's favor though, and usually early on.
Nin - Motion tracker, but Im kind of starting to question which side. He's been flip flopping on Launch, but here he basically takes Launch at his word and pins movement on Roy. This is after [urk=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=203253829&postcount=2931]asking the blocker[/url] to out themselves, despite having multiple scum left. He just feels wildly inconsistent.
Ouro - Drink dude. I dont think we have to remove him as a threat, so if he is actually scum he is going to fly under my radar. Especially with his power basically confirmed. Could still be a threat, but I'm not sure I buy two arsonist-type roles. Granted, our Arsonist did not initially have an ignite, so it is possible Ouro is a pseudo arsonist. That requires a bit more stretching than I am comfortable banking on right now.
Roy - I dunno about Roy. Flat out. I dont. That's on me, since he has plenty of posts. But as much as I agree with the majority of his points, kinda like Fireblend I just have a vague feeling. There are more mitigating posts for him than Fire though.
Salva - Flurries of useful or reliable posts. Could easily be scum since most tend to be off-scum topics, but he did have a back and forth with Burb about Kalor that stands out.
Terrabyte20xx - Motion tracker. Ours or theirs, no idea. Made much less useful by outing himself early on, but still, scum has to work around him at least even if they know he's there. (assuming he's town anyway)
Time - quiet. Had a very brief gossip chat before the first fire alarm, not standing out. Then again, I wasn't watching that chat every moment, so I could have missed something. Still, not as quiet as BSP.
Ty4on - Me. Lots of useful town posts. If he's scum, he's doing a damn good job of hiding it imo. Only tiny minor thing that jumped out was "I was an ordinary". Not "I am", "I was". I don't think he's recruitable or anything, we already know Kalor was the hidden scum. Probably a typo, but my brain wouldn't let it go.
Xam - confirmed fire alarm puller, could still be scum.
If I had to pick my top three scum?
Xam
Roy
Nin? I dunno? Salva?
Look Im really bad at this.
Did you forget to log out of your alt account
AbsolutBro
Member
Depends on if you believe some of our claimed power roles or not:
Launch - Town jailer, limited to his table and can lose his target.
Bronx - Town gossip, limited the two people next to him. Chats shut down when people shift.
Nin/Terra - passive range 1 motion tracker, changes their opportunity reads
Kalor's passive shut down ability
So far, things that seem unaffected:
Scum night kill
Scum godfather ability
The scum team is smaller, and at least one of them is likely an ordinary scum with no power other than the NK. A seat rearrangement does not seem to be an issue for them, where town can lose what could be their only protective role if Launch wasn't paying attention. If anything, it feels like Xam's power is there as a counter to Launch (assuming Launch is telling the truth).