Neo could be 2016 and still not be at E3 IMO
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Kotaku: XB1 Slim 2016, More Powerful XB1 Scorpio/VR 2017, iterative boxes from now on
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Neo could be 2016 and still not be at E3 IMO
wonderful103
Member
Nope. Everything's iterative from now on. That includes Sony, and that includes Nintendo as well.
icespide said:
That depends on whether you believe it's finfet or still on 28nm. Cause decent quantities of finfet aren't going to be plentiful in 2016
thehillissilent
Member
I think Nintendo is setting up for the same strategy with their NX console and portable. Same OS, same base architecture (Arm), different hardware models and form factors.
I understand some of these words
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Eh, I think that honor still belongs to the (awesome) Saturn, if we're talking just in terms of the tech and set-up design. PS3 is a close 2nd tho.
Technically speaking its SPUs were good for where AMD eventually took their stuff; they just implemented the idea in a much better and easier-to-use fashion.
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This console gen was looking so simple just a few months ago, too. The way I saw it, there'd be NX this year, then in 2018 we'd get the next Xbox and maybe the next PlayStation. The way these iterations are releasing, it's not really all that different from the traditional 5-year cycle.
In any case I'm interested to see how this new Xbox compares to Neo. If it ends up being more powerful it's gonna be...funny....seeing where overzealous Sony fanboys/fangirls go with the "people bought it b/c it was the most powerful console" bullet point, since that'd end up moot. Tho imho the influence of system power is overstated in purchasing decisions for all but only the most hardcore, who are a really small fraction of the consumer pool.
pixellated_man
Member
Do you seriously believe Sony is willing to jeopardise their entire console business in order to make a few extra dollars on hardware? Console manufacturers have always made 10x more money on software and services compared to what they make on hardware. Unless you think the ps4k will be sold for £100-150 profit margins, this will remain a fact.
pixellated_man
Member
Exactly. I expect adoption to be very low for this slim iteration.
SinCityAssassin
Member
1. Uhm, that I don't know.
2. Overall...I think it will be fine as game developers who are making AAA games are going to go for the most bang for buck, so most people will be able to play games. All up to game publishers.
If you have followed what I have said, I've always been on the side of modding (even "unauthorized"). I understand why MS wants it to be authorized but still don't agree for games, but I don't see how they could do it securely. Oh well.
I haven't used GFWL in years. I stuck with Steam (playing mostly CS).
ps3ud0 8)
LOL! Nice.
And it was awesome.
Only in my groupme group with my homies, but that was years ago.
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I said this before but I think the next Xbox will be called "Xbox 4" and it will be iterative after that. I think UWP may bring more games to PC that we haven't seen before or in a long time (like Madden) from publishers. I think it will take a while for it to happen but I do think it will happen.
Gemüsepizza
Member
I like that they want to bring their future games to PC. But I really would like too see them doing more. Why for example should I play Halo 6, if I could not play Halo 1-5? I don't even care about multiplayer, I just would like to play through the story before I experience the next game. Something like a new Master Chief collection with the Halo 1-5 singleplayer campaigns would be amazing. I really hope they do this at some point before Halo 6...
Hell I am all in I don't care at this point in my life. I will have a PS4k and the next Xbox because I enjoy gaming and I can. However I can see this being a tough sell for many people so I am curious how they handle this.
Beyond that do we gamers have any responsibility as to why this is happening? Every game that is released has pixels counted.... and broken down at a crazy level putting systems against each other. When the word of mouth is so important these days I just wonder how much that is driving the competition to own the "Specs" war. Just a thought..
Beyond that do we gamers have any responsibility as to why this is happening? Every game that is released has pixels counted.... and broken down at a crazy level putting systems against each other. When the word of mouth is so important these days I just wonder how much that is driving the competition to own the "Specs" war. Just a thought..
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Not having anything to go up against Neo this year sounds like a mistake to me.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Gives people less of a reason to buy the Xbox consoles. Despite what some people say, exclusives still matter.
Yes. Gamers are definitely responsible for this. Go look at the GT Sports thread; most of the crying was over the graphics, as if the game were finished and releasing later this month. And then there's the DF stuff as you allude to, breaking down the pixels and such.
It's all pretty much ridiculous; a good looking game's a good looking game, and we've been at the point of diminishing returns for a while now. Art style is going to carry games forward, not resolution or how many layers of bump-mapping there are.
secretanchitman
Member
Iterative boxes were a given, considering this is just x86 and they don't need to make specialized hardware every 6 or so years. Now backwards compatibility will be maintained and it'll be cheaper to manufacture newer machines.
I'm all for using my PC to play Halo!
I'm all for using my PC to play Halo!
shadowsdarknes
Member
I don't really see the point of an upgraded XB1. If if releases significantly after NEO it's going to do even worse than it would if it launched alongside NEO.
The PC is already shaping up to be the enhanced Xbox experience.
The PC is already shaping up to be the enhanced Xbox experience.
SinCityAssassin
Member
So is the NX gonna be the only non-iterative console left?
This is what I'm thinking. I'll stick to Nintendo + PC in the future it seems.
Hahahahaha. I have news for you.
How do you come to this conclusion?
wonderful103
Member
It's iterative too.
SinCityAssassin
Member
I'm only going by the face value of Kimishima's comment that the NX will last them years longer than the Wii U did.
Is the Neo coming out this year 100% though? Haven't been up to date on official word/confirmation from Sony.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Well, I was considering an XB1 Slim, but if the Scorpio is following just behind it... They've kind of just undercut the market for that new revision, no?
My prediction (that people will dislike): If the Scorpio is considerably more powerful than PS4k, it will outsell it, despite Sony's momentum. These things are multiplat machines at this stage. Which one runs Fifa/CoD/Overwatch/etc better? That and price are all people care about.
Microsoft is right to try and reset the power struggle. Hopefully they produce a good machine. Hopefully the fucking thing has folders - that might be the one thing that drives me away from Playstation.
My prediction (that people will dislike): If the Scorpio is considerably more powerful than PS4k, it will outsell it, despite Sony's momentum. These things are multiplat machines at this stage. Which one runs Fifa/CoD/Overwatch/etc better? That and price are all people care about.
Microsoft is right to try and reset the power struggle. Hopefully they produce a good machine. Hopefully the fucking thing has folders - that might be the one thing that drives me away from Playstation.
If they release an "updated" or "upgraded" version(s) of the NX.. it's still technically the same console, thus it will last a long time.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Neo-compatible games will begin arriving in October, so that's a hint. Altho it's possible they could still release those games and have the actual system come out next year.
Because between it and PSVR, one of them has to give and gets pushed back to early next year, and it might as well be the Neo.
SinCityAssassin
Member
Then it's really fucking weird how all of these things time themselves.
Agreed. Giving Sony an entire year to itself will effectively give both PlayStation Neo and PS4 an almost 60 million install base or more. This "power" game is a gamble because it'll only be a matter of time before Sony decides to release a successor and it becomes just a game of one-upsmanship.
Pathfinder
Member
Maybe.
Though if 2017's Xbox will be more powerful than Neo, then maybe it will be worth it.
It makes sense for Microsoft to come out with these consoles. The money is in the software. Console gamers will always be there. PC gamers will always be there. If people want to build PCs, that's a Windows 10 license (if they didn't upgrade already) and then money from the software sales. If MS can get publishers to support more PC games (UWP) that are usually only on console, that will be the biggest thing. That would be good competition to Steam (and I would see Steam supporting UWAs as well). Things will be interesting. Either way, I'm looking forward to game announcements and demos more than anything.
LostDonkey
Member
And the winner is AMD?
dragonelite
Member
Lol
There is no way it will be considerably more powerful with a similar price as the neo with at most a year difference in release dates.
Ninja Scooter
Member
HhhjMmmmm this news makes me pretty hard.
Pretty much. lol.
100% in the console space.
Tarin02543
Member
2017: everything is iterative.
Dyson Industries
Banned
Yup. A day (365 days, actually) late and a dollar short. The more thing change, the more they stay the same...
Not a year is it? Long game though, not just the console sales and I imagine 6 months of a new Xbox competing isn't going to stop the PS4 train at all. A cheap Xbox One slim is enough to keep them selling well while they get their next phase ready to launch. I would be happy if Microsoft didn't rush and come in half baked. Microsoft can also play that wait for the better thing card which sometimes work if done right. I think more people will be putting down money for a cheap PS4 and Xbox One rather the Neo this Christmas. Microsoft can gamble on launching a better device next year.
TwilightPrincess
Member
No. AMD has 3 SoCs, but there will be 4 new consoles.
No matter what Microsoft launches, if it's next year it'll be in a very similar ballpark to Neo. We are talking somewhere in the vicinity of 10-20% ; but if the rumour of a complete architectural change is true- than we might see some more profound deltas, but I'm still unsure about this whole thing.
One thing I can be kind of certain about is Microsoft won't skimp out on terribad ram this time. I would like to guesstimate 4X bandwith performance of the memory compared to Xbox One (68 gb/s).
I'm kind of worried about failing consumer confidence. If MS and Sony atleast alternate in the year's they release machines- we could see something more attractive, but the era of commitment to one particular SKU is over
.Not in europe, that's for sure.
And honestly, I don't think power is even close to as important as we all act like it is.
The differences between PS4 and XB1 are rather minimal but one of the consoles simply has all the mindshare behind it ever since reveal, and the word of mouth spread like wildfire since then. It's the console to get.
And I think that is unlikely to change with a new iteration. Regardless of power.
More likely is that it's in the exact same ballpark as the PS4K, maybe a tad more powerful, but in the exact same pricerange.
Making a knee-jerk reaction to a competitor and rushing something out prematurely sounds like a worse mistake.
There's nothing stopping MS from talking about Scorpio early and convincing people it will be worth the short wait (if it actually is worth the wait). Targeting support for OR means it should be pretty powerful, so I guess we'll see if that's true.
Am I missing something? The rumor is spring. That aligns with the news we've heard about MS pushing back Windows Redstone 2 to spring so they can talk that up along side new hardware.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/two-new-xbox-one-consoles-in-development-one-set-f/1100-6440163/
Gamespot video there too.
Gamespot video there too.
The way I see it MS are potentially soft exiting from the console market and progressively consolidating Xbox onto PC, but they were going to give it another shot with Xbox Two. However the people at Sony are smart and blindsided MS by switching to an iterative model. Neo coming out this year would pretty much lock in their dominance. With the 60m+ userbase the Playstation will be the lead platform for the big 3rd party games and Sony can easily get the marketing/DLC exclusive on any 3rd party game they want from here on out. MS first party is a disaster so I don't see any space for them to mount a comeback. Scorpio next year will be too late. The PS2 demolished the Xbox/GC despite both being significantly more powerful. An iterative PS would also have the power advantage at times in addition to the game library/momentum.
Agreed. Microsoft is going to see huge gains compared to the original Xbox One, but I have a nagging suspicion the Scorpio is essentially a PS4K with 10-20% more grunt under the hood with bandwith advantage (228 GB/S versus roughtly 280 GB/S).