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Kotaku: XB1 Slim 2016, More Powerful XB1 Scorpio/VR 2017, iterative boxes from now on

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Nzyme32

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Zedox said:
Well, I guess UWP is here to stay huh? :)

Oh, the UWP threads will be glorious (jk). lololol
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Was the core of those threads that it would disappear, or that UWP simply wasn't compatible with what PC gaming currently is thanks to openness of usability & compatibility?

As much as you "lololol" every time the topic is brought up, it would be pretty shitty for PC games to move away from freedom of user generated content outside of developer purview. If that gets solved, I don't see too much to be worried about from UWP (ie it would be on a similar footing to Win32)
 
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EvB

Member
Edson Farley said:
Done with this thread, we have not only people saying consoles=Smartphones (where a lot of them run things exactly the same and don't take away from tohers outside exclsuive features, the exact opposite of PS4k and PS4 based on rumored specs and other info) which is already one of the must nonsensical things I ever heard, but people think that if the Xbox 360 at $350 and Iphone 5 $650, that Iphone 5's are more costly to support that's not how it works.

If Microsoft released 3 $650 WIndows Phones at the times, in place of the 360, and they all sold 100k in totoal in 2 years, that would still not have lsot MS anywhere near as much money as the first years of the 360.

Consoles are more expensive, the base price of an item on the shelf has nothing to do with its overall costs.

But if people still want to believe that iterative consoles will work because =phones, they fine, believe! I give up.
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Ah yes, that all makes perfect sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L0xT8lMyss
 
DeepEnigma

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Nzyme32 said:
Was the core of those threads that it would disappear, or that UWP simply wasn't compatible with what PC gaming currently is thanks to openness of usability & compatibility?

As much as you "lololol" every time the topic is brought up, it would be pretty shitty for PC games to move away from freedom of user generated content outside of developer perview. If that gets solved, I don't see too much to be worried about from UWP (ie it would be on a similar footing to Win32)
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Wait for //build/.
 
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icespide

Banned
Nzyme32 said:
Was the core of those threads that it would disappear, or that UWP simply wasn't compatible with what PC gaming currently is thanks to openness of usability & compatibility?

As much as you "lololol" every time the topic is brought up, it would be pretty shitty for PC games to move away from freedom of user generated content outside of developer purview. If that gets solved, I don't see too much to be worried about from UWP (ie it would be on a similar footing to Win32)
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yeah that's basically another huge can of worms deserving of its own thread.

also //build/ should be interesting lololol ;)
 
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Trup1aya

Member
This is panning out exactly as I expected.

I think the end result is that Xbox consoles will essentially be win10 gaming PCs ties to the windows store.

So 3rd parties supporting the Xbox will essentially be supporting the win 10 store by default.
 
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kiguel182

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Assuming Microsoft can pull this off: How worried should Valve be about this?

I'm not saying they are doomed but this is the biggest push a competitor has ever made to them.
 
//DEVIL//

//DEVIL//

Member
prwxv3 said:
Wat. There is no forcing sony. That is he plan for the neo.
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yes but what is after neo ? a PS5 . most likely the case it wont be backward compatible. just like the PS4 isn't with the PS3.

MS strategy ( at least from what I gathered, that all future xbox consoles are backward compatible with each other)

I don't want just PS Neo to be backward compatible. I want the PS5 to be as well. same goes for Xbox etc.
 
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cartographer

Member
kiguel182 said:
Assuming Microsoft can pull this off: How worried should Valve be about this?

I'm not saying they are doomed but this is the biggest push a competitor has ever made to them.
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About as worried as I am about Thor's hammer dropping from the sky and killing all my loved ones.
 
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jroc74

Phone reception is more important to me than human rights
thehillissilent said:
This makes me glad I sold my Xbox One and went all in on my Windows 10 gaming PC. I want to play those Xbox exclusives.
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If Sunset Overdrive makes it to PC along with the other exclusives that arent there yet.....only thing XBO will have that has my interest is B/C.

Might just get a 360 and call it a day. I say this because I am about to build my first PC soon.
 
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icespide

Banned
//DEVIL// said:
yes but what is after neo ? a PS5 . most likely the case it wont be backward compatible. just like the PS4 isn't with the PS3.

MS strategy ( at least from what I gathered, that all future xbox consoles are backward compatible with each other)

I don't want just PS Neo to be backward compatible. I want the PS5 as well to be as well. same goes for Xbox etc.
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with the way things are going, a PS5 would most definitely be backwards compatible with PS4, that is basically the entire point of all this
 
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ps3ud0

Member
Zedox said:
Well, I guess UWP is here to stay huh? :)

Oh, the UWP threads will be glorious (jk). lololol
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ps3ud0 8)
 
Kibbles

Kibbles

Member
just got a 980ti/i7 PC, don't need the new Xbox, so hopefully the games work the same with a controller across Windows10 and Xbox
 
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Chris1

Member
//DEVIL// said:
yes but what is after neo ? a PS5 . most likely the case it wont be backward compatible. just like the PS4 isn't with the PS3.

MS strategy ( at least from what I gathered, that all future xbox consoles are backward compatible with each other)

I don't want just PS Neo to be backward compatible. I want the PS5 as well to be as well. same goes for Xbox etc.
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The next xbox is definitely going to be BC with 360 and XB1, and I think it'd be suicide for Sony to not make the PS5 BC aswell so they'll definitely have to do it aswell
 
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cakely

Member
I wrote a chrome plugin which replaces "lol" with "I'm an idiot".

It really makes certain posters much easier to read.
 
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Jotamide

Unconfirmed Member
A harder push for Windows 10 gaming will definitely get me to play more Microsoft games. Well played.

cakely said:
I wrote a chrome plugin which replaces "lol" with "I'm an idiot".

It really makes certain posters much easier to read.
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cakely: "lol"
 
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WhiskerFrisker

Member
DeepEnigma said:
"The sky is falling!"

On a side note...

Some do not want us to compare this to cell phones as far as same ecosystem, people have no issues waiting or upgrading often, yet they don't want to denounce the 'yearly iteration' argument of fear/concern either. Fancy that one, eh?
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Not even sure why you bother. People bring up the same argument with each new thread.
 
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prwxv3

Member
//DEVIL// said:
yes but what is after neo ? a PS5 . most likely the case it wont be backward compatible. just like the PS4 isn't with the PS3.

MS strategy ( at least from what I gathered, that all future xbox consoles are backward compatible with each other)

I don't want just PS Neo to be backward compatible. I want the PS5 as well to be as well. same goes for Xbox etc.
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Wat. The reason why the ps4 is not BC with ps3 games is because the ps3 is a over engineered piece of shit (cell processor). PlayStation consoles going forward wont have those problems.
 
Snake29

Snake29

RSI Employee of the Year
TharpDaddy said:
I'm not sure I agree. It comes down to software ultimately. Being able to use a device on both platforms isn't worth much if there's not good software and games to drive that. Also iirc Sony didn't rule out the possibility of PSVR PC support right?
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Jup and the PSVR is a in-house developed VR device. Sony controls both hardware and software and has maybe already developed a higher resolution VR headset for the PS4 Neo that can also be used with PC.
 
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The God

Member
//DEVIL// said:
yes but what is after neo ? a PS5 . most likely the case it wont be backward compatible. just like the PS4 isn't with the PS3.

MS strategy ( at least from what I gathered, that all future xbox consoles are backward compatible with each other)

I don't want just PS Neo to be backward compatible. I want the PS5 as well to be as well. same goes for Xbox etc.
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There's not going to be a PlayStation 5 with its own exclusive games. There will be a fifth PlayStation console that's an upgrade from the PS4K and it'll have BC.
 
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icespide

Banned
The God said:
There's not going to be a PlayStation 5 with its own exclusive games. There will be a fifth PlayStation console that's an upgrade from the PS4K.
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I wouldn't rule that out just yet. I could see a "new" generation with games that only work on that console and future consoles. imagine this

PS4: plays ps4 games
PS4K: plays ps4 games slightly better
PS5 plays ps4 games slightly better, also plays PS5 games
PS5k plays ps4 games slightly better, also plays PS5 games slightly better

and so on
 
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harSon

Banned
Sounds good to me.

I think its viability moving forward is going to be completely contingent on Microsoft's handling of UWP, and whether they're able to iron out all of the kinks and concerns. The fact that it was unrolled out in its current state is absolutely absurd, and if they truly want to reap the benefits of a blurred boundary between console and PC - they're going to have to fix that 100%
 
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//DEVIL//

Member
Chris1 said:
The next xbox is definitely going to be BC with 360 and XB1, and I think it'd be suicide for Sony to not make the PS5 BC aswell so they'll definitely have to do it aswell
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You would think if MS wasn't in the picture, Sony will release the PS5 to play the PS4 games? I love Sony and MS as much as the next guy. However, I do not trust these companies.

If neo was released this year and the Xbox scorpio to be more powerful than Neo, rest assured the next PlayStation installment is gonna be in 2018.

I believe at this point it's a cat and mouse game. MS will start advertising how much more powerful their 2017 Xbox is to prevent /and increase the hype of their box to be the most powerful etc to prevent Sales from Sony camp. Sony will be doing the same and so on.

we should start saving a 400 to 500 $ consoles yearly now. just like how the PC guys are doing with the video cards. lol
 
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pixellated_man

Member
Edson Farley said:
I will literally throw my Xbox One out the WIndow just like my PS4 if they actually go the iterative route. I mean confirm it, Sony hasn't directly confirmed it but it's pretty much confirmed.

I can't believe people think iterative consoles is a good plan or business strategy, it baffles me how stupid it is. I feel those who are making them and the consumers who support the idea, have no idea how things work and don't realize it makes zero sense.

I mean if the Xbox One and PS4 just released with a slightly more powerful set-up they would likely be at what the PS4K's rumored specs were in the first place. Now we are going to have consoles always weaker than PC, upgrading every couple of years to continue to be weaker than PC, and devsn not being familar with the hardware because new hardware will keep coming out.
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Maybe you should email Sony and Microsoft and share your wisdom with someone high up at these companies? I mean how can these corporations with so much research, customer data, educated employees and years of experience launching consoles make a decision that as you say, make zero sense? If you can foresee the folly in this new direction why the heck can't they?
It makes no damn sense!
 
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Tatsumi Oga

Banned
So what are you guys guessing? Any chance they will even talk about this new Xbox at E3 or only slim and probably announcement + reveal next Spring? Im going for the latter. Don't think MS want to confuse folks.
 
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icespide

Banned
Tatsumi Oga said:
So what are you guys guessing? Any chance they will even talk about this new Xbox at E3 or only slim and probably announcement + reveal next Spring? Im going for the latter. Don't think MS want to confuse folks.
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My guess is Xbox One slim announced at E3, PS4 Neo and Xbox Scorpion get over here are no shows at E3
 
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prwxv3

Member
//DEVIL// said:
You would think if MS wasn't in the picture, Sony will release the PS5 to play the PS4 games? I love Sony and MS as much as the next guy. However, I do not trust these companies.

If new was released this year and the Xbox scorpio to be more powerful than Neo, rest assured the next PlayStation installment is gonna be in 2018.

I believe at this point its a cat and mouse game. MS will start advertising how much more powerful their 2017 Xbox is to prevent and increase the hype of their box to be the most powerful etc. and sony will keep doing the same and so on.

we should start saving a 400 to 500 $ consoles yearly now. just like how the PC guys are doing with the video cards. lol
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This has nothing to do with MS. The whole point of this is to have one library and to not start from scratch every time.p
 
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The God

Member
icespide said:
I wouldn't rule that out just yet. I could see a "new" generation with games that only work on that console and future consoles. imagine this

PS4: plays ps4 games
PS4K: plays ps4 games slightly better
PS5 plays ps4 games slightly better, also plays PS5 games
PS5k plays ps4 games slightly better, also plays PS5 games slightly better

and so on
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Isn't forward compatibility supposed to be a part of iterative consoles? Assuming they just have 2 models supported at a time, the PS4K would have to be able to play PS5 games.
 
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ekim

Member
Tatsumi Oga said:
So what are you guys guessing? Any chance they will even talk about this new Xbox at E3 or only slim and probably announcement + reveal next Spring? Im going for the latter. Don't think MS want to confuse folks.
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Well Phil tweeted about the rumors that he is looking forward telling us their gaming story at E3. Sounds like he will clear things up then.
 
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icespide

Banned
The God said:
Isn't forward compatibility supposed to be a part of iterative consoles? Assuming they just have 2 models supported at a time, the PS4K would have to be able to play PS5 games.
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for those mid-cycle think iPhone S type iterations yes, but I wouldn't rule out hard generation shifts as well. I'm just speculating though
 
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etta

my hard graphic balls
Tatsumi Oga said:
So what are you guys guessing? Any chance they will even talk about this new Xbox at E3 or only slim and probably announcement + reveal next Spring? Im going for the latter. Don't think MS want to confuse folks.
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They have to clear the air at E3. There can't be any confusion or unclear statements, can't repeat the Xbox One reveal.
 
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qa_engineer

Member
//DEVIL// said:
yes but what is after neo ? a PS5 . most likely the case it wont be backward compatible. just like the PS4 isn't with the PS3.

MS strategy ( at least from what I gathered, that all future xbox consoles are backward compatible with each other)

I don't want just PS Neo to be backward compatible. I want the PS5 to be as well. same goes for Xbox etc.
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The move to x86 was to not only ensure easier development across consoles and pc, but ensure backwards compatibility going forward. So you're pretty much wrong .
 
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icespide

Banned
etta said:
They have to clear the air at E3. There can't be any confusion or unclear statements, can't repeat the Xbox One reveal.
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they're gonna go in hard on the Xbox + Win10 platform stuff, but I bet new more powerful xbox hardware will not show up. same for ps4 neo. people will be pissed
 
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bill0527

Member
So kinda sorta..in a round about way, we've come back to Xbox being a Windows PC in the living room. Which we've uhhh..kinda had the ability to do already the last 10 years or so.
 
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