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Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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tokyocrusher
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Me seeing this is from polygon just makes me think this is fake
vpance
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As long as MS continues to be a non-factor in 2/3 of the world. due to reasons apart from power, they have no first mover advantage any way you split the timeframe of "gens".
justsomeguy
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Look at what I quoted for context on my message.
And who cares about Sony, the gaming public (at least those who are vocal on gaf) have *clearly* said trololol 900p box to Xbox for a significant proportion.
So you end up with this weird old situation where the scorpion<->neo gap is bigger than the ps4<->xbone gap. Assuming everything runs at 1080p that could be the difference between a 40ish fps game on neo and a 60 on scorpion. Would be huge.
Power is simply one factor among many as to why the PS4 is leading.
Barring any large-scale disasters like the PS3 launch, the current trends in market-share will remain relatively unchanged.
But the majority of Neo sales will come from the Holiday 2017 season, when the Scorpio comes out.
Only the most hardcore will get it this November, casuals will probably go for the even cheaper PS4. Spring 2017 will probably have very, very little steam for a full launch priced console, and by summer Scorpio will have been announced and people will wait for holiday deals and bundles.
justsomeguy
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Some truth there no doubt. But Ms were neck andneck (ish) with Sony end of last gen and ahead for a chunk of it so the customer base is clearly there if they get the rest right. And Imo being the best console to play gta6, rdr2, cod 8447833 is a the best starting point.
Not necessarily. Yes the power angle was a factor, but people mistake the PS4 winning solely due to a difference in power when really the gap isn't that huge. It was a variety of factors that contributed to Xbone's downfall, but being weaker was not the end all be all. Now you'll have the Scorpio be stronger than the PS4K. Sony has been here before. The PS2 should give them all help they need to deal with a stronger console coming out after theirs and it'll come down to keeping the PS4/K the best place to play all the hot games.
It all comes down to software and if you can capitalize on that advantage. If they got exclusive games out of that then they might grow outside of the US and get back to 360 levels of success in continental Europe. I don't ever see them grow beyond that and even that would be hard considering how third parties operate.
DustyVonEric
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Seriously. I was always going to get a PS4 first eventually, even though early leaks showed Durango to be more powerful than Orbis.
The reason I was going to choose the underpowered console anyways was the exclusives that I saw Sony pumping out for PS3 late gen while 360's seemed to dwindle as the Gen went on. I knew ps4 was going to continue getting support.
Xbox has to deal with that showing, plus they're brand isn't as strong as Sony's worldwide anyways. Those Europe / Japan sales charts aren't pretty for the One.
I don't think more power is the answer here. Couldn't hurt, I guess. But then, let's see the price.
If it launches this Fall then it can definitely be a success if priced right, especially if they provide a premium bundle with PSVR, or even straight up marketing/bundles with the AAA games to be released later this year. Even in that scenario I'd still expect vanilla PS4 to be the leading sales SKU this year.
A Spring launch is unheard of, but a good line-up to showcase NEO's capabilities, coupled with a compelling price and/or PSVR will make waves.
This is all speculation, of course. Besides, Sony has that mindshare factor going for it since the beginning of this gen, along with their status as the de facto premiere global console brand. MS simply can't compete with that via a power bump.
IAmAnAgnostic
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Wouldn't surprise me. Microsoft doesn't want to end up with the weaker console again. However I will be getting neither one of the systems.
Black Republican
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so the new xbox might be BC as well? nice
Iriscomeback
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Wow...
How many bits is that?
How many bits is that?
Sony can get away with their numerical branding:
PS4, PS4.5, PS5, PS5.5, and etc. This would be similar to the iPhone lineup that has the base model and the S model.
The one thing I'm happy about is Microsoft's commitment to PC. I can essentially just upgrade to a GTX 1070 and essentially have an unofficial Xbox.
OH YOU!
OH YOU!
Same.
If they can get Scalebound on PC, then I'll be absolutely thrilled.
Edit: holy shit, it's nearly 2:30AM. Good night, y'all.
formasymphonic
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I find it really hard to believe Scorpio will be mentioned in any real detail at E3 if it isn't shipping until the end of 2017.
Is there really that much value in upstaging PS4K that it's worth osbourning their sales from now until then?
Or is it that MS has truly shifted to "we don't care about Xbox hardware anymore, Xbox-as-a-service or bust" on a faster schedule than people were expecting?
Is there really that much value in upstaging PS4K that it's worth osbourning their sales from now until then?
Or is it that MS has truly shifted to "we don't care about Xbox hardware anymore, Xbox-as-a-service or bust" on a faster schedule than people were expecting?
Better hope they price their Windows games more reasonably than they did with Quantum Break. 70 for a digital game license is ridiculous on PC.
Stare-Bear
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But will they implement their draconian plan they had originally for the Xbox one?
RedAssedApe
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Going to be rough for MS if Sony has a year head start in sales and mindshare even if its noticeable more powerful:
also...if we're looking at a cross-play future between all platforms (like MS was trumpeting)...why would you switch ecosystems if you could already play most games with friends. of course that's a big IF.
- rise of digital. with backwards compatibility, people will want to stick to the same ecosystem. same reason a lot of people don't want to switch between something like ios and android.
- backwards compatibility. if newer games don't require you to upgrade. many people will just wait until they actually need to upgrade (i.e. what a lot of people do with phones, hang on as long as they can until they absolutely need to)
- less and less people buying multiple consoles due to first party titles becoming less and less important as system sellers
- a lot of people already made a mass exodus to sony this gen along with their friends. i don't see that being something that happens as easily again.
also...if we're looking at a cross-play future between all platforms (like MS was trumpeting)...why would you switch ecosystems if you could already play most games with friends. of course that's a big IF.
MatthewTrujillo
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I could see this easily backfiring.... Neo is already a iffy thing but if the price is what PS4 launched with and it does come out this year. It only puts Sony in a better position... Hear me out PS4K in 2016 $399 people buy it with a year advantage over Microsoft. Microsoft announces new Xbox 6 times more powerful most likely around $499 price tag with those specs (great) the problem is it'll leave them in a weird spot. Sony's new hardware has a year advantage on the market and then they have the advantage of releasing a PS5 more powerful than the new Xbox at the same price or cheaper in a possible 2017 or 2018 release. So from the time the new Xbox is out Sony will have the advantage of new hardware a year early and the advantage of announcing PS5 while the new Xbox is hitting.
MilkyJoe
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You think they found out about Neo a couple of weeks ago and have knocked up a console plan over night for a release next year?
You edited before I realised.
RedAssedApe
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number they heard from the source.
Thanks ! So more like 4.5x then.
MilkyJoe
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Did you forget being a kid?
The Amiga vs Atari ST power struggle at my school was dividing. No one except parents gave a shit about price.
Maximilian Kolbe
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First of all if Xbox Scorpio is 2017 fall i don't see it will be $499, they can even depends the price on PS4 neo's price.
Second if PS5 release at 2017 or 2018 i think it's more backfire for Sony.
Alx
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But they're the ones making the decision and the purchase in the end, so it's no minor thing that they care about the price.
It's releasing a year later. The 30% power increase seems to be in line with normal GPU advancement.
Obscuritas
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This has to be a meme by now.
pixelation
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This... and if it really is more powerful than PS4K... at what cost?, that for sure will end up making it more expensive so people will still gravitate towards the PS4K over the XBO.2 IMO.
Not in 2017
Ms is going all in to compete against Google, Apple and Sony at the same time. This is why they have been so aggressive with the Windows 10 updates and giving it out for free. Windows 10 is the foundation for all the new hardware and UWP is the foundation for games for all the hardware. Is a huge puzzle and it needs to go smooth from the get go if they want to compete against well established hardware/software from the competing companies. It will be very exciting to follow MS the next years, if they can pull it off they need to be better and offer more to move consumers over to their hardware/eco-system.
It would be total idiocy from MS's part if they come at their E3 conference and announce XBOX Scorpio 1 year prior to its release for public...
Think about it...business wise, that would be stupid as hell... if they do this, who is going to buy XBOX One's for 1 year?? They will destroy their user base.
This is just wrong. I am willing to bet, that just like Neo, Scorpio will be announced when it will be very close to release on the market. Anything other than that is just suicide business wise.
Now as for the new consoles altogether, both Neo and Scorpio -like I have said before- are going to be wasted potential if we assume that Sony and MS dont want to divide their existing PS4 and XBOX One user bases.
If games have to share same features in all 4 consoles, that simply means that the games will be design with PS4/XB1 in mind, which means geometry and assets designed for PS4/XB1 in mind and then they will add better res, shadows, a couple of effects and maybe framerate to seal the deal for Neo/Scorpio.
And thats is just wrong imo because if we want to see the true potential of these machines, games have to be designed fully on them, with higher polycount, visual fidelity and such.
The die shrinks make this a fun game. Still a relatively immature node to make big chips from - whoever is later to market will get an advantage in maturity and therefore ability to make a larger die for a similar cost.
PS4 APU is about 320sq mm which is about the size of the upcoming GTX1080. If AMD could produce something around 300sqmm as an APU (a big if) then 6TF is readily doable.
Hmm, interesting. Although I don't know how much it would matter - Xbox is so far behind in brand value and market share it'll take a long burn to overtake PlayStation. MS Might be willing to play the long game, but they tend to redo their strategies regularly so who knows. Also because I don't think there are any quick wins, Sony could ride out a lower powered PS4k and come back with a strong PS5
Tbh if they go incremental they might deliberately try and avoid launching directly opposite each other. You'd end up with a blurring of the lines which can end with consumers just sticking with what they have - Xbox 2 is more powerful but PS5 will be out soon so that'll be even more powerful. Incremental updates secures existing users through BC, and staggered releases mitigates any difference in power
I find it a bit funny how after a pretty solid period of "power for third party games matter" in 2013-2014 alongside states that show that people are buying console mainly for third party titles that power apparently won't help.
I agree that power isn't the end all be all and that other factors like price and game support matter more but I couldn't see how more power wouldn't help in any way -- especially if instead of this system being called/presented as an "Xbox One II", Microsoft presents it and advertises it as simply a next gen Xbox with Xbox One backwards compatibility. The only difference is that games in stores wouldn't be "Xbox One" and "Xbox New" -- things will seemingly just be "Xbox", working on both systems but looking like next gen improvements on the Scorpio.
If they do that then I think the Xbox brand will get a bit of a boost in the places in which the brand is relevant in (America and UK), thus helping its position in overall/worldwide sales. I don't think the Xbox brand will ever overtake PlayStation in this but I definitely don't think things will simply remain the same as they are now.
I agree that power isn't the end all be all and that other factors like price and game support matter more but I couldn't see how more power wouldn't help in any way -- especially if instead of this system being called/presented as an "Xbox One II", Microsoft presents it and advertises it as simply a next gen Xbox with Xbox One backwards compatibility. The only difference is that games in stores wouldn't be "Xbox One" and "Xbox New" -- things will seemingly just be "Xbox", working on both systems but looking like next gen improvements on the Scorpio.
If they do that then I think the Xbox brand will get a bit of a boost in the places in which the brand is relevant in (America and UK), thus helping its position in overall/worldwide sales. I don't think the Xbox brand will ever overtake PlayStation in this but I definitely don't think things will simply remain the same as they are now.
The big new expensive console launches will always be for early adopters. Those have already voted for PS4 so are more likely to stick with PS4k for continuity of their library. They are perhaps more willing to switch sides to follow the technology but I don't see that happening in huge numbers.
The mass market aren't buying either machine at launch - they'll be jumping on the price reduced PS4/XB1. And there the price will be most important,but also the network effect of what their friends use
Well actually there was chatter about a hdd tray in the slim.