Outrun
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Yep,
I don't care for Locke or any other chump.
John needs to go King Arthur route. MIA but will return when the galaxy needs him the most.
Edit: Changed a typo.
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4chan: Alleged former 343 employee shares studio details on Halo reception & develop.
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Yep,
I don't care for Locke or any other chump.
John needs to go King Arthur route. MIA but will return when the galaxy needs him the most.
Edit: Changed a typo.
This is a really unfortunate typo, correct?
Garrett 2U
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luckygodzilla
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Two of the best campaigns in the series (ODST and Reach) had Chief show up as little more than a cameo. The halo universe is wide and deep enough to support engaging campaigns without the Master Chief, but that implies the stories themselves be told in a competent fashion.
Vire
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U is right next to I..
Lucky Seven
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It's fake, so does that mean 343 actually was working on Banjo Kazooie? 
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
Makes a lot of sense. You could feel like that the game changed drasticly. Campaign felt very rushed and without a focus.
It's fake, so does that mean 343 actually was working on Banjo Kazooie?
Kind of. It's a game called Young Banjo.
He's emblematic of Halo and is actually a character with some depth if you're into the expanded universe. He's the most badass guy in the entire extended fiction bar none and almost absolutely no one could keep up with him.
Noble 6 was great because we knew that the SIIIs were well trained and capable of awesome shit. The notion that the character was a "hyper-lethal vector" that performed black ops for Ackerson was a neat idea, even if the character themselves purposefully lacked depth. They made up for it with Reach's ending, which was awesome. ODST has Buck, who continues to be Nathan Fillion, which is always acceptable.
The introduction of Locke as an alternative to Chief is somewhat problematic because the original narrative of his reveal is oppositional which directly generates an analogous opposition between 343's new lore (which hasn't exactly been well received, though certainly not absolutely panned) versus Bungie's old lore, which was more classic sci-fi. Outright replacing Chief with Locke evokes a sort of "OUR MASTER CHIEF IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN THIS OTHER DUMB MASTER CHIEF" feeling. Instead of Locke merely being a character that the players could have some interest in, his character is actively built in opposition to that of the Chief's. It's made even worse with the fact that Nightfall was poorly written and, instead of establishing Locke as an interesting character that's capable of feats of badassery that could rival the Master Chief, established him as an incompetent leader that lost almost his entire team on what should have been a simple mission.
For what it's worth the Gamestop trailer actually did a way better job of making Locke a badass. He looked like he was in fucking Vanquish or something.
I mean, really this analysis could go towards any of 343i's newer characters. Sarah Palmer? Kind of an asshole, actually antagonistic, somewhat incompetent. She didn't get fleshed out until she got her own spinoffs and comics, and at that point everyone was mortified that they were going to try and replace the Chief with her. Thorne and the rest of Majestic weren't even real people. You could give them any other faces, names, armor, and series of character traits and they would be wholly indistinguishable from what we got. The SIVs, the new generation that's supposedly much more advanced than the SIIIs and SIIs with their new armor compensating for their relatively weaker augmentations gave birth to a generation of dude-bro super soldiers that lack discipline and character as a whole.
It's probably harder to capture that SII and SIII lightning in a bottle again, though. SIIs are a group of super soliders raised since childhood to be the most advanced combat unit in the history of humanity. The books provide ample examples to show their cunning, discipline, and character depth through their interactions within their tiny family. The SIIIs do as well, but to a slightly lesser extent. The SIVs unfortunately have no such story. Helljumper, maybe, but it's mostly about Buck, who was already pretty much one of the best soldiers in the UNSC.
Yeah, I figured the story issues were probably due to the squad system.
If I'm not taking this 4chan dude with a huge grain of salt.
If I'm not taking this 4chan dude with a huge grain of salt.
Chimp?
On topic though, I think the "Chief is just quiet guy in armor" impression is frankly out-of-date. Halo 4 and 5 have him as a character that contributes more than just actions, and one that has a dramatic "oh" moment in each of those games.
Even in 4 and 5 he doesn't talk a huge amount. His main character trait is "man of few words". 4 made it "man of few words that's emotionally scarred"
It's an obvious typo.
Imp the Dimp
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Sounds realistic enough to not be fake but it probably is.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Pretty much this. Yeah.
Movalpolos
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This makes me sad since ODST is the best Halo game I've played.
RichiRamjag
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Where I stand. Terrible characters. Locke is so wooden.
Outrun
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NobleGundam
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Why 4chan? I'm calling fake.
Honestly the next main characters should be Seargent Johnson's son and the Arbiter.
or Johnson's son and the Arbiter's son.
NobleGundam
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But Bloodborne wasn't even a big IP at the time. Halo on the other hand is another story.
Sorcerer Supreme
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this doesnt make any sense ???
They really messed up with the Halo 5 campaign. There was room there to build up Locke as the replacement protagonist for Master Chief, but they just kinda didn't. He's just as one-note and boring as MC is, but without the decent voice work and neat backstory. If they had given him some shred of a personality I think people would've been much more open to the idea of him being the new series lead. But instead they just kinda made him play second fiddle to Master Chief. Ah well.
That makes no sense, a lot of 4chan leaks have panned out over the years.
Vire
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What's strange to me is why did Halo 5's campaign feel so scattered and rushed? I mean, Halo 4 was what 2012? And then Halo 5 was 2015? Isn't a three year dev cycle typical for these kinds of games?
I definitely still enjoyed large parts of my time with the game, but it seems pretty obvious after playing a few times through that some corners were cut.
Maybe they would have been better off holding it for 2016 instead.
I definitely still enjoyed large parts of my time with the game, but it seems pretty obvious after playing a few times through that some corners were cut.
Maybe they would have been better off holding it for 2016 instead.
Outrun
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Comfort Jones
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Those were screen shots, not just text from a completely unverifiable source.
Outrun
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Well, he did save Blue Team..
FataIChoice
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How is that anymore reliable when people have have frequently made and released fake images of Smash Bros to even the fake NX controllers on "more reputable" websites to leak to.
curiouscharles
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"...a less story-in-your-face approach to experiencing the levels, possibly akin to Combat Evolved."
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES.
wonder how much of this is true, it's incredibly candid if so.
and if it is true, there is A LOT to be excited about moving forward...
i think many of us assumed they'd continue the story with a second H5: subtitled game, while keeping the amazing MP they created in-tact.
will hold out hope for that still, or at least for them preserving the MP if they do just move straight on to H6.
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES.
wonder how much of this is true, it's incredibly candid if so.
and if it is true, there is A LOT to be excited about moving forward...
i think many of us assumed they'd continue the story with a second H5: subtitled game, while keeping the amazing MP they created in-tact.
will hold out hope for that still, or at least for them preserving the MP if they do just move straight on to H6.
That's a shame if the whole thing is BS. A lot of that stuff was pretty mild and just seemed to indicate that good steps were being taken to make 6 better, mostly reassuring stuff.
Frankie, finally getting Blue Team in a mainline Halo game and having them and Chief sidelined to near background characters is the biggest disappointment honestly. Bongo pls fix.
BreezyLimbo
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Pretty much.
Comfort Jones
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There were multiple never before seen assets there and later the actual trailer leaked as wel, and then eventually the legitimate announcement.
There's no way this will ever be confirmed and there's not even a shred of anything that makes it look like it could be real.
Apollo Cree
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Master Chief's gotta die. It's the only ending for him.I hope they dont kill off MC just to write him out of the story. Give him a nice retirement on Spartan Island or something
"What is the craziest co-worker/corporate/office story you have working there?
The guy whose job I essentially took had tons of expiramental codes built into the Reach Title Update. Wierd stuff like when you get hit, your spartan's body expands quickly to fill up the size of the entire rendered map before vanishing. On his last day he activated one of them for the Rumble Pit Playlist. It was up for about an hour. My supervisor came sprinting into the main office and screamed "WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH REACH?!" I had to clean up the mess but everybody just started hysterically laughing even though most of them hadn't done anything with Reach in over a year."
lol fake as fuck
The guy whose job I essentially took had tons of expiramental codes built into the Reach Title Update. Wierd stuff like when you get hit, your spartan's body expands quickly to fill up the size of the entire rendered map before vanishing. On his last day he activated one of them for the Rumble Pit Playlist. It was up for about an hour. My supervisor came sprinting into the main office and screamed "WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH REACH?!" I had to clean up the mess but everybody just started hysterically laughing even though most of them hadn't done anything with Reach in over a year."
lol fake as fuck
Missed this. To be clear, I sure as hell don't want locke to be the next main character. Just have someone like Noble 6, or the rook from ODST. John is fine in the books, I just wish they would've let him die in 4 or left him in stasis going from 3 to 4. They've made him way too important.
Right, there's no way that he'd be posting shit like that if this were real considering how easily identifiable that piece of info would make him.
StalkerUKCG
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Well we do have one thing that could lend credibility to it.
He mentions how Thorne was going to have a role in H5.
This is from Jeff Christys portfolio. The guy is a 343i Graphic artist. Thorne was later replaced by Nathan Fillions character Buck.
1. What's wrong with Locke? He was actually one of the best parts of 5. I mostly agree with this blogger on what he wrote about him and Osiris: https://haruspis.wordpress.com/2015/12/19/what-i-liked-about-halo-5/
2. I highly doubt once this story arc ends that Locke will find a role in his own game.
343i themselves mentioned this in The Sprint IIRC. It's in the art book too. You don't have to be an employee know this.
Well we do have one thing that could lend credibility to it.
He mentions how Thorne was going to have a role in H5.
This is from Jeff Christys portfolio. The guy is a 343i Graphic artist. Thorne was later replaced by Nathan Fillions character Buck.
They already confirmed in interviews pre-launch that Buck replaced Thorne. Public knowledge. Even the art book for Halo 5 has Thorne on it.
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