No point having 6TF GPU and 320GB/s bandwidth if a lightweight Jaguar CPU is feeding them.
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Digital Foundry: Spec Analysis: Xbox Project Scorpio
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Very wrong. Xbox division is actually enlarging their target audience with the PC audience by this move. Income comes mostly from software than hardware.
So let them go full PC. It's all about the software.
AMD at Computer already said they have a Zen based APU in the works for 2017. This looks like it is just that.
In Service
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Lovely Salsa
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It will basically be a xbox one game with better res and framerate. The graphics will stay the same
How did Rise of the Tomb Raider do on PC?
Are PC enthusiasts really going to embrace the Windows Store and UWP apps console like restrictions?
I'm not so sure.
What VR are you including in that price ? google cardboards ?
lightchris
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If they just want to render games at higher resolutions (without drawing more objects etc.) then the CPU doesn't need to do any more feeding than it is now.
Of course that's probably not what many developers will want to do.. but, we'll see.
I think we could be looking at slightly upgraded Jaguar cores (Puma..) at higher clock speeds.
opticalmace
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Vega isn't expected to be released to consumers until ~Q4 2016.
CassidyIzABeast
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Scorpio is for the PS4/X1 grass difference is huge and meme worthy while the difference between PC and PS4 is meh crowd.
with over 4 times the performance on gpu alone ? i highly doubt it
martino
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can't speak for everyone but if there are games i want and they don't come in another form after 1-2 years i will at some point.
it's like asking why i buy ps4 or use origin.
It's because the CPU will bottleneck it if it's still using jaguar.
MaulerX
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Yea Vega seems to be it. I can't imagine it using a Jaguar CPU though. Almost makes zero sense.
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I wonder how loud this will be if they actually render games at 4k. Every time I play at that res with my 980ti the volume spikes considerably, and my computer case is already quite isolated when it comes to sound (R4).
There will obviously be newer and more energy efficient hardware in the Scorpio console by the time it releases, maybe that's already enough.
There will obviously be newer and more energy efficient hardware in the Scorpio console by the time it releases, maybe that's already enough.
opticalmace
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Well, DF presented their reasoning in the article as to why they think it's Jaguar. Not really any more to go on at the moment.
why would it use jaguar tho ? goes against everything they said about it yesterday. they wont put in 12 gigs of gddr5 a 6tf gpu and bottleneck it with a current gen cpu i dont believe that for a second
especially since its coming q4 2017
KillerMan91
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Doesn't really matter if the games are not made that GPU in mind. PC GPUs already have over 4 times the performance of PS4 or Xbox One and yet the biggest differences in multiplatform games are resolution, AA and framerate. The base game is still relatively same.
pottymouth
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This console spec war makes me even more grateful for my PC.
Considering I already have a PC more powerful than Xbox Scorpio..I don't really care.
Yes UWP is limited but so is a console no? In which case why should I ever go for the inferior one when I already have a superior machine?
In Service
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Haha.
None.
I said $600 plus VR meaning - plus the price of VR kit whatever that might be.
opticalmace
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Considering they said "best quality pixels" afterward (or was it "highest quality pixels"?), I doubt it.
If Scorpio turns out as powerful as it's slated to be, I'll probably buy one. I've been a PC/PS4 gamer until now.
Glad other people noticed they referred to both SoC and GPU when mentioning 6TF. Still waiting for MS statement to see what they actually meant.
Personally you don't generally mistakenly say SoC when you mean GPU
Not read the article yet, hate to give credence to speculation especially coming from an outfit like DF. From my own thoughts the memory bandwidth seems to means GDDRx5 on a 256bit bus.
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Personally you don't generally mistakenly say SoC when you mean GPU
Not read the article yet, hate to give credence to speculation especially coming from an outfit like DF. From my own thoughts the memory bandwidth seems to means GDDRx5 on a 256bit bus.
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It doesn't really matter. The CPU is insignificant in this calculation.
If the choice is between buying on Steam or buying on Windows Store most will choose Steam. But here we're talking about games not present on PC before, I think most will accept this compromise if they're interested in the games.
Even if they partner with Oculus or at a stretch the Vive the total price would be well over $1k at current head set prices. Its nuts.
The Citizen Kane of Games
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Ah, Grassflops... something I can wrap my head around!
Scorpio is for the PS4/X1 grass difference is huge and meme worthy while the difference between PC and PS4 is meh crowd.
In Service
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Yep, I agree. I also need an UHD Tv too so.....
hemo memo
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I truly think Microsoft is turning this around with play anywhere games and clearly they have a clear vision and learned from the first reveal. The conference was the best by far and Sony's one was middcore and with first titles with release date announce mostly getting delayed as usual and with the Crash remaster troll made everything worse.
Not just about power but there's a clear vision.
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JumPeRJumPzZ
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Doesnt make sense.
This is more like a PC situation from Low to Ultra Settings or something and with that more besides Resolution and Framerate will change.
Damn. Difficult spot for Sony now.
wesleyshark
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Yep
dr_rus
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No need to believe, I'm pretty sure that this is exactly how it will be.
CPUs are increasingly less important in graphics so if this upgrade is mostly for graphics while they plan to retain the compatibility with XBO/XBOS then it makes sense to not upgrade the CPU by a lot.
Opus Angelorum
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They said developers can choose how to use the power.
This is the vision of Nadella and Spencer finally setting their own stamp on things. Last years it was more damage control and work with what you got.
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Thanks for showing up to Scorpio hardware speculation guys. This doesn't seem like concern at all. It's all about the games now. Earlier it was about which console could play those third party games better, but not anymore.
Extremely Trump. Because comparing consoles to racist right wing tools is appropriate.
You guys are killing me.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I need those uncompressed pixels!
Seriously though, I think this announcement a little odd coming this early. They pretty much are killing sales of the S before it is released.
Seriously though, I think this announcement a little odd coming this early. They pretty much are killing sales of the S before it is released.
justsomeguy
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Phil Spencer said "6TF of GPU power" on a couple of occasions. Surprised me, which is why it stood out so much. So on the face of it it's 6TF GPU *plus* CPU.
dead monkey uk
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I am thinking $500 for the console alone, no way you are getting console + VR for $600.
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Uncompressed pixels mean pixels that aren't upscaled right? I think he means native 4k..not Not that I agree we'll get that with much regularity.