Morrigan Stark
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But surely this can't be true! I'm told women are not more valued for their appearances than men, and that they're about the same.
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Overwatch's Laughably Convenient Ageism / Sexism
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LQX
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Either-way, neither are black women.
GlenChivas
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What A Time To Be Alive
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Girls gotta be 35 or under or I ain't playin'.
Abstrusity
Member
tfw no domineering cougars
I mean, Mercy sort of works, only because I know deep down she's either straight sadistic or is a heartbeat away from losing it because everyone around her dies and her best efforts aren't good enough.
Sombra is totally Ana Amari, though.
I notice the same characteristic differences between Tracer and Mercy as you did.
I think you're onto something. Narrow eyes and sharp features does appear to be the go to animation for more mature characters. For what it's worth, I have to say the only true aging process I can recall on a female character was Chichi in DBZ years ago. She didn't start to truly look older until she was depicted growing heavier and they added wrinkles to her eyes iirc.
Discussion on how animators/devs depict characters between the ages of 35 - 40 could be an intriguing one. As of now, people either argue they are too young looking or look too old. It would be something I wouldn't mind participating in.
There are black Egyptians, there are non-black Egyptians.
It would depend on many factors.
If she is of Berber descent (originating from people who invaded the Iberian peninsula) or a native African
Also, given that race is a social construct, it would also depend on what she saw herself as and identified with.
It was also depend on what people of her ethnicity saw themselves as and identified with.
Its not that easy as an answer.
I promise if she had an afro, more people would assume that she was black.
LQX
Member
Give me a break.
All females.
Both Brood and Wyvern have an old woman's voice. Puck is definitely voiced by a female actor, but is referred to as an it in its description. The same can be said with phoenix and IO which we can assume are both genderless heroes.
You also have Spectre which is a female.
Then again basically all the characters from Dota 2 have drawn inspiration from the Warcraft universe, because Dota 1 originally was a custom map in Warcraft 3. So I think it's worth mentioning since this fittingly enough started as a thread about a blizzard game.
The Omega Man
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God Dayumm
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And that despite our favorable portrayal in media and games. Just think of it as affirmative action and maybe it will be more palatable to you.
And next time you can address me within the same thread.
I'm pretty sure they haven't forgotten black women. If you look at the Winston trailer, when he reactivates Overwatch or whatever, there's at least one black woman; in fact there are several darkskinned characters.
I'm personally not peeved by the lack of a specific ethnic group in the cast because outside of a fighting game this is probably the most diverse cast in recent memory in gaming right now, there's clear (and likely) room for growth, and there are increasingly more games with women and minorities as supporting characters or even main characters(with admittedly mixed results). The age and body type diversity in women, however, has seen much less growth. This issue with Overwatch reflects an overarching dilemma in nearly all games.
This is just as big an issue in Hollywood where most male leads are romancing women 10+ years their junior.
Also this:
https://youtu.be/XPpsI8mWKmg
Also this:
https://youtu.be/XPpsI8mWKmg
Are people counting that Tauren one as an example of "babe-ification"? i mean, she looks cuter than the male one, but still looks positively beastial and very cow like, and the male one might have a bulkier frame, but she's still huge, burly and not a human like barbie doll, if anything that's good design, alpha one literally looked like a male with boobs slapped on them.
The troll one tho, yeah that's bullshit, female alpha troll looks way more interesting.
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Mercy reminds me of Heidi Klum who's still incredibly attractive at 43.
Saucycarpdog
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Jim sterling mentioned this in one of his Jimquisitions once.
We have old grizzled heroes like Marcus Fenix or Solid Snake. But I can't think of a single old grizzled women hero in a game.
We have old grizzled heroes like Marcus Fenix or Solid Snake. But I can't think of a single old grizzled women hero in a game.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
What I've learned from browsing outrage threads on NeoGAF is that developers can do a hundred things right but the focus will always be on what they didn't do right, always something negative.
If Blizzard didn't include female characters there would have been an outrage. They included a variety of female characters so now there's outrage about no old characters or the weird excuses for not having them.
If there were old female characters then there would have been outrage for depicting female characters as old, frail, weak, or unattractive.
If Blizzard didn't include female characters there would have been an outrage. They included a variety of female characters so now there's outrage about no old characters or the weird excuses for not having them.
If there were old female characters then there would have been outrage for depicting female characters as old, frail, weak, or unattractive.
The Boss?
Of course they aren't being literally forced to do anything, but even saying "well these characters should have been designed differently by Blizzard from the start" is certainly calling for such. Unfortunately that is such a non-solution that I don't think it is applicable to the current cast at all.
We should be looking ahead instead. Luckily the character rumored to be coming next seems to be exactly what people are looking for here, as well as possibly Athena and Doomfist further down the line.
"Old!" She was in her early 40s!
Pffft, wut?
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Uriko's mom in the original Bloody Roar, she turned into a bear, but her human form was already pretty grizzled and burly.
I guess Flurrie from Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door kind of counts? also much like her but lamer, Sushie from the original Paper Mario.
To be fair, that's a picture of a Human-Orc Hybrid, the female pure orcs look more monstrous.
Went from looking like a "Troll, Female" (alpha) to a human woman painted blue.
Humanoid race design 101
I was gonna post this week's oglaf, but it was a little bit too NSFW. But yes.
I'll just link it. NSFW
It's pretty clear they give female versions of the race more human features than the males...
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
People sure like to complain about the dumbest shit when in regards to Overwatch.
People always have something negative to say about anything, even you. This is the internet. This is people.
Yeah, but it's ABSURD that 50% orc monstrocity only translates to green skin, tiny fangs.
God Dayumm
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There are none, only obscure side characters or NPCs. You can't write an older lady as a Mary Sue, that's why
She is white/more pure/ a Disney princess in comparison.
Except people only make this argument when it's about diversity/sexualization etc. You don't see people screaming censorship or crying about some uninformed concept of creative vision when it comes to people criticizing map design or how the combat feels.
Old characters don't need to be depicted as frail, weak or unattractive.
The Omega Man
Member
It can be done.
Good examples, great designs
yanipheonu
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It's what I'm kind of coming out of this thread with. Overwatch is plethora of diversity that most games could learn from, but oh no, this one thing up doesn't align with some ideal, outrage ensues.
I appreciate being informed about it, hadn't thought about that. But I reject the notion this is some sort of conspiracy.
I dunno, take the smaller victories? I'm happy with my body type varied, multi ethnic, differently abled cast. I can live if it just happens to not include a woman over 40. Hell, we might just see one in future hero updates.
We can only be so diverse sometimes.
universal rule of scifi and fantasy: Human Genes are more dominant than whaveter else they mate with! All of the advantages! non of the dowsides!
I always found funny how in fantasy and sci fi other races have all this weird ass powers, and humans kinda look lame until you realize the human super power is to mate with all these aliens/monsters successfully to produce an offspring superior to bot parents.