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[DooMAGE]

as you can see

 

[mugurumakensei]

five

fucking

fun

guys

but it's mushrooms and fuve guys were arested lol!!!

you are looking at the wrong way. all the language chosen by gamergate was for a reason.
five guys refers to the five guys who got arrested leading into the unearthing of the Watergate scandal.
five guys is supposedly the number of guys Zoe slept with leading to Gamergate.( this is an intentional reference by gg to Watergate. thus any reference to 5 guys must now refer to GG by law of most recent or whatever reason you'll reply with)
there was no GamerGate exposed
there was a book called "Watergate: Exposed" though.
career-ending: I don't think Zoe's career was ended. Nixon's was though. I mean Zoe's still constantly harassed so I'll say both here.


3/4 refer to GamerGate.
4/4 refer to Watergate.

 

[Cromwell]

Even people who are convinced it's a GG thing have to admit it's just as easily applicable to Watergate. Taking that into consideration with the recent Alison Rapp shitshow, how on EARTH does it make any sense for Nintendo to willingly make a GG joke?

The mental gymnastics are too much, and if Quinn doesn't backpedal off this and Nintendo fires someone as a result...

 

[tim.mbp]

I can't imagine it referencing this specific book. It's just a coincidence. It's not like it's All the President's Men or something famous. "____ exposed" is a pretty common headline when writing about a scam, fraud, etc.

 

[Thrashinuva]

Jesus, I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing this.

It's one thing to say that it probably isn't directed at Quinn, it's another thing entirely to add "not everything is about you" to your post. And there are a lot of these posts. I get the sense that a lot of people are coming out of the woodwork to finally take a shot at Quinn in a safe way that they couldn't before.

I don't even know anything about her, not even what she looks like.

When I say "not everything is about you", I'm referring to literally anyone who has ever said that something happened in entertainment media was because of them.

Unless it's on South Park, or you're someone incredibly famous, i.g Arnold Schwarzenegger or Donald Trump, it isn't about you.

 

[lifa-cobex]

Even Fry knows?

Fry>GAF

You said it.
Not me.

 

[notworksafe]

GAF is better at empathy than 99% of other forums.

Empathy? Sure. Critical thinking and historical context? Ehh.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

it's obviously 100% a coincidence but they should change it just because it makes gamergate people happy and they don't deserve that

yes, artists should edit their medium because a person was offended at a pure coincidence

bullshit

 

[chrominance]

or the Fun Guy Quintet

"Fun Guy Five" would more directly reference the "Watergate Seven" brought up earlier in the thread too.

 

[Altered Juice]

Yoooooooo!

 

[TheRealTalker]

I can't imagine it referencing this specific book. It's just a coincidence. It's not like it's All the President's Men or something famous. "____ exposed" is a pretty common headline when writing about a scam, fraud, etc.

but then all this adds up

Isn't it a Watergate reference? The "-gate" suffix has been lampooned for years now, anyway.

Look guys
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal
Water gate had five dudes being arrested

Five men were discovered inside the DNC office and arrested. They were Virgilio González, Bernard Barker, James McCord, Eugenio Martínez, and Frank Sturgis, who were charged with attempted burglary and attempted interception of telephone and other communications.

Nixon covered some stuff up due to it

Within hours of the burglars' arrest, the FBI discovered the name of E. Howard Hunt in the address books of Barker and Martínez. Nixon administration officials were concerned because Hunt and Liddy were also involved in a separate secret activity known as the White House Plumbers , which was set up to stop security "leaks" and to investigate other sensitive security matters. Dean would later testify he was ordered by top Nixon aide John Ehrlichman to "deep six" the contents of Howard Hunt's White House safe. Ehrlichman subsequently denied that. In the end, the evidence from Hunt's safe was destroyed (in separate operations) by Dean and the FBI's Acting Director, L. Patrick Gray.

title for the activity known as Plumbers hence using Watergate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Plumbers

The White House Plumbers, sometimes simply called the Plumbers, were a covert White House Special Investigations Unit, established July 24, 1971, during the presidency of Richard Nixon. Its task was to stop the leaking of classified information, such as the Pentagon Papers, to the news media. Its members branched into illegal activities while working for the Committee to Re-elect the President, including the Watergate break-in and the ensuing Watergate scandal.[1]

hence using this scenario since Mario is a plumber

and it was Career ruining

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s

TOTALLY a gamergate joke hurr

some of you are being dense as fuck

 

[udivision]

You can say someone is wrong without personally attacking them you know. Zoe is wrong but I don't blame her for thinking it.

I'm willing to bet her original post (the thread title) set the tone for "being mad at other's potential mistakes".

If the post was "lol is this a reference to me? Not cool Nintendo"... well the thread probably wouldn't be much different but people would be maybe a little less heated.

 

[Lanrutcon]

Obvious Watergate reference.

Zoe has every right to be touchy, but in this case she's mistaken.

 

[Kusagari]

Jesus, I didn't even see the other references.

Watergate: Exposed while a visible bucket is at the forefront of the screen.

 

[SneakersSO]

they're hiring alison rapp just to fire her again right now

This just damn SLAYED me. Bravo sir.

 

[vulva]

Historical events that most people outside of the US, and most people who will even play the game, will understand. Like I said even if it is unintentional, they really should have picked up on it, no? Ganergate is too fresh in the minds of many, so stop being a turd and have some empathy.

Canadian here. Familiar with Watergate because it was a massively publicized and historically referenced scandal that's been mentioned in numerous forms of media over the years.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Has there ever been a Watergate related joke like this in gaming? As in where the character says "-gate".

 

[diaspora]

People keep saying that it's a Watergate reference

Is there anything in the context of the scene that could possibly associate with Watergate besides the gate suffix?

Yes.

Five burglars, thieves, if you will, under the employ of a corrupt Nixon. Those five toads are involved in a money con. They are burglars, thieves if you will, under the employ of a corrupt Toadxon.

Five toads pulled a con and got exposed- similarly five people broke into the watergate hotel. The "scandal" being "exposed" ruined the career of the mastermind, Nixon/Yellow Toad.

 

[VexMythoclast]

You are so goddamn dense, it's blowing my fucking mind.

What do you expect to get out of this conversation when you resort to insulting his/her's intellectual fortitude. I didn't even take AP (advanced placement) government in high school and knew about the 5 Guys reference via Watergate. Why should Nintendo be punished/vilified for making a joke of a well deserved government scandal that happened decades ago in fear of being linked to a hate group that doesn't deserve the time of day?

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

People think ultra conservative Nintendo would make GG joke?

Really?

Nintendo being "ultra conservative" is exactly the reason I'd expect them to make a pro-GG statement like this.

 

[Vampirolol]

The fact that the joke works equally well for both Gamergate and Watergate doesn't look good. The problem is that both are equally valid interpretations of the joke, which makes Zoe Quin's interpretation just as valid as those people who are interpreting it as a Watergate scandal joke. Now, this joke has to have been seen by a fair number of people at Nintendo of America, which means that in the best case scenario, no one there was able to make the connection between this joke and all of the gamergate controversy that has very recently affected the company. Worst case scenario is that someone at Nintendo thought that the gamergate reference was funny and intentionally made the joke with that intention. Middle of the road (but still bad) is the possibility that the joke was written as a Watergate reference, but someone at Nintendo both realized the gamergate interpretation and decided to leave it in.

There is no way that this joke is making it to final release considering how bad it looks in light of recent events. It is either going to be modified significantly, or replaced by a different joke.

Honestly I think they won't do anything and they actually shouldn't. If people keep browsing internet, searching for anything to overreact, there's really nothing you can do.

 

[nhlducks35]

People keep saying that it's a Watergate reference

Is there anything in the context of the scene that could possibly associate with Watergate besides the gate suffix?

Five guys broke in to Watergate

Nixon's career and dozens of others were ruined

Watergate Exposed is a novel about the scandal

 

[weekev]

Jeez this thread is horrible. Let's make something clear no-one is saying gamergate invented the -gate suffix, accusing people of this is showing your own stupidity for not reading the thread.

#fiveguys was the twitter handle of gamergate before they became gamergate, coupled with the gate suffix joined with the ruined career, all adds up to an incredibly unlikely coincidence.

Tbh I'm disappointed in Nintendo.

 

[Odrion]

is the "this book and sentence both have expose" suppose to be a real piece of evidence or are you guys being ironic

 

[Hoje0308]

Do you guys REALLY think that the writers sat down and were like:

"Oh, there were five men arrested during the Watergate scandal, right? Everyone knows that."

No way. The audience (i.e. NeoGAF) is much much more familiar with Five Guys in reference to GamerGate than they are to Nixon's goons. It would have been written with this in mind.

Totally. A Nintendo game with a reference to one of the most well known scandals in the world is much less likely than one with a reference only a statistically insignificant clutch of people on the internet may be even casually aware of. That absolutely sounds like something a family friendly company that strongly appeals to the casual market would do.

 

[_DrMario_]

You can have an emotional response to something without trying to start an internet witch hunt on twitter.

 

[Raticus79]

Here is the link if you want to watch the whole thing instead of two images

https://youtu.be/lh16YgtySJI?t=956

Considering the scene is about the character being caught cheating, I'm satisfied that it's a Watergate reference.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

I can't imagine it referencing this specific book. It's just a coincidence. It's not like it's All the President's Men or something famous. "____ exposed" is a pretty common headline when writing about a scam, fraud, etc.

Yeah, it's kind of like how GG is always referred to as "Gamergate: EXPOSED"




oh wait

 

[Kintaco]

The video should really be added to the OP.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

Thanks. I was looking for that screenshot. Treehouse loves making references to internet shit. Isn't that an on-going thing, in fact, that people are annoyed at them overusing memes?

Well at least their treatment of people who identify as sex positive feminists has been flawless over the last year.

I honestly think it was a shitty coincidence, but the amount of people here pointing out how obvious it's a Watergate reference and how people are idiots for thinking otherwise whilst being ignorant of the five guys reference and the history of Treehouse/NoA is tedious.

 

[Vitacat]

The use of "gate" as a suffix indicating a scandal is many decades old. It did not begin with Zoe Quinn and "Gamergate," and I don't believe the game is referencing her in particular.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

She has a point

I didn't read the whole 23 pages but she can't be serious right? Maybe I'm seriously missing something. -gate has always been a thing since watergate happened. Huge stretch to talk about fun guys.

Like I'm literally blown away right now. I hope I'm missing something.

 

[hobblygobbly]

Some people are still missing the core part of "FIVE GUYS".

With Watergate, they were never known as "Five guys", it was "Five burglars".

A core part of the GamerGate controversy was specifically "Five Guys" usage, it was used in the hashtag, it was a hashtag itself, if you even google "gamergate five guys" or "zoe quinn five guys" you will find tons of evidence of this.

Yes the the five fun guys etc is a fungi pun. We get it, that doesn't change anything. I'll refer to that in a bit

Why do some people think the person doing this for Nintendo would use "Five Fun Guys" when it was "Five burglars", when GamerGate controversy had specifically "Five Guys", which is much, much, much, MUCH, less obscure to gamers than trying to use "Five burglars" and trying to turn that into a pun just because the "five burglars" were men and thus "guys".

This was taking advantage of the parallels of the two, but what really makes this obvious that it was hinting towards GamerGate and Quinn is the "Five Fun Guys". I'm sorry but trying to say that is a reference to Watergate is perhaps one of the most obscure references you can get when "FIVE GUYS" regarding GAMERGATE that more gamers would know about is MUCH LESS OBSCURE than when "five burglars" were used in Watergate which were "guys". That is an insane leap to try and make a pun and say Watergate was its context, the pun was made in context of "five guys" in relation to GamerGate. Come on.

 

[Marcus]

shes definitely reaching a bit here

 

[BrianRoyale]

Looks like Watergate to me, but I know way more about that than Gamergate. The only thing I'd say they could do to clear it up is maybe have the toad that got caught scream "I'm not a crook!" or something.

 

[Meier]

Ask a dude about GamerGate and they'll know that the "Five Guys" thing is basically what started it all.

No they won't. If you asked 10,000 people, 9,999 would not make this connection. If you asked 100,000 people, 5 might.

What you should say is, "Ask a person who is intimately aware about GamerGate and they'll know about the "Five Guys" thing is basically what started it all."

Bu guess what, most people aren't aware about GamerGate. It means nothing to an unbelievable majority of people. An overwhelming majority of people. Quite literally something like 99.999999999% of people on earth would not make this connection. They would only make a connection to Watergate which is probably the most famous scandal of all time.

 

[Rabid Dwarf 76]

This is the fastest moving thread I've seen on GAF.

 

[MrChocolate]

GAF is better at empathy than 99% of other forums.

But that's only because if you act differently you get banned, so I bet that "empathy" is a forced one in many cases.

 

[Inferno313]

I can't imagine it referencing this specific book. It's just a coincidence. It's not like it's All the President's Men or something famous. "____ exposed" is a pretty common headline when writing about a scam, fraud, etc.

Yeah. When you search Watergate on Amazon books, it doesn't even show up in the first two pages. This is not a widely known book.

 

[A Link to the Past]

yes, artists should edit their medium because a person was offended at a pure coincidence

bullshit

It's not as though there aren't situations where that has happened. For instance, Mario Party 8 I believe was recalled in the UK because it used the word "spastic", which was IIRC a slur often used for mentally handicapped people there. Not the same thing of course, but it's not as if there's an absolute shield around that kind of stuff.

 

[Prisoner KSC2-303]

Dude, I'm French and I know about it. Everybody does.

Unlike video game drama.


Requoted.

Everyone knows about it, I was querying whether it had been taught in most other countries at a universal level though. I'd surmise from this thread that the answer is generally not.

 

[konjak]

No matter the arguments in here, someone at Nintendo is really dense to be making any -gate joke within a video game, and especially from them, at the time being. Regardless of intent.

 

[entremet]

Nintendo being "ultra conservative" is exactly the reason I'd expect them to make a pro-GG statement like this.

I don't think you understand my use of conservative in that context.

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

Since it got buried before...

She said "Seeing my ex's shit in a Mario game was fucked up enough." What does she mean by that? Did her ex personally write this dialogue?

 

[Gattsu25]

People keep saying that it's a Watergate reference

Is there anything in the context of the scene that could possibly associate with Watergate besides the gate suffix?

These three posts:

I'd like to take a step back for one moment here. Pretend I've never heard of Watergate or GamerGate. What's even the joke here? I don't get it.

Taken as a whole, you have a squad of performers who are basically pulling a con, Mario catches them out, the toad says his career is over if this is exposed (shufflegate), so gives Mario the key to shut up.

Look guys
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal
Water gate had five dudes being arrested

Five men were discovered inside the DNC office and arrested. They were Virgilio González, Bernard Barker, James McCord, Eugenio Martínez, and Frank Sturgis, who were charged with attempted burglary and attempted interception of telephone and other communications.

Nixon covered some stuff up due to it

Within hours of the burglars' arrest, the FBI discovered the name of E. Howard Hunt in the address books of Barker and Martínez. Nixon administration officials were concerned because Hunt and Liddy were also involved in a separate secret activity known as the White House Plumbers , which was set up to stop security "leaks" and to investigate other sensitive security matters. Dean would later testify he was ordered by top Nixon aide John Ehrlichman to "deep six" the contents of Howard Hunt's White House safe. Ehrlichman subsequently denied that. In the end, the evidence from Hunt's safe was destroyed (in separate operations) by Dean and the FBI's Acting Director, L. Patrick Gray.

title for the activity known as Plumbers hence using Watergate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Plumbers

The White House Plumbers, sometimes simply called the Plumbers, were a covert White House Special Investigations Unit, established July 24, 1971, during the presidency of Richard Nixon. Its task was to stop the leaking of classified information, such as the Pentagon Papers, to the news media. Its members branched into illegal activities while working for the Committee to Re-elect the President, including the Watergate break-in and the ensuing Watergate scandal.[1]

hence using this scenario since Mario is a plumber

and it was Career ruining

[IMG]http://comicsbook.be/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Hcomics-1.png[/IMG]

 

[Olly88]

Nintendo themselves have used a similar pun before. In Mario Party 8 (released in 2007), if you pair Mario and Toad together the team is called "Fungi Fun Guys".

 

[SinCityAssassin]

One might think the people who started GG would pick out the FiveGuys thing for the other reason of making the notion of Five People in the start of a scandal synonymous with them.

Since it got buried before...

She said "Seeing my ex's shit in a Mario game was fucked up enough." What does she mean by that? Did her ex personally write this dialogue?

Her ex-boyfriend basically sparked GG and is one of the five guys I think.

 

[Xav]

I grow bored of people always looking to find something to be offended about.

 

[Joey Ravn]

Why isn't the video with the whole scene posted in the OP yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=956

The two images shown by Zoe Quinn do not happen one right after the other, and there's the whole thing with the yellow Toad trying to con Mario with his shuffle minigame that is not mentioned in the OP. You can draw your own conclusions and support whichever interpretation you want, but at least do it with the whole context.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

This is the fastest moving thread I've seen on GAF.

It's the closing ceremony of E3 here!