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Some people are still missing the core part of "FIVE GUYS".

With Watergate, they were never known as "Five guys", it was "Five burglars".

A core part of the GamerGate controversy was specifically "Five Guys" usage, it was used in the hashtag, it was a hashtag itself, if you even google "gamergate five guys" or "zoe quinn five guys" you will find tons of evidence of this.

Yes the the five fun guys etc is a fungi pun. We get it, that doesn't change anything. I'll refer to that in a bit

Why do some people think the person doing this for Nintendo would use "Five Fun Guys" when it was "Five burglars", when GamerGate controversy had specifically "Five Guys", which is much, much, much, MUCH, less obscure to gamers than trying to use "Five burglars" and trying to turn that into a pun just because the "five burglars" were men and thus "guys".

This was taking advantage of the parallels of the two, but what really makes this obvious that it was hinting towards GamerGate and Quinn is the "Five Fun Guys". I'm sorry but trying to say that is a reference to Watergate is perhaps one of the most obscure references you can get when "FIVE GUYS" regarding GAMERGATE that more gamers would know about is MUCH LESS OBSCURE than when "five burglars" were used in Watergate which were "guys". That is an insane leap to try and make a pun, the pun was made in context of "five guys" in relation to GamerGate.

One question.

Is your analysis based on the photo in the OP

or is it based on having seen that particular scene?

I'd love to hear your response

 

[Kyou]

yes, artists should edit their medium because a person was offended at a pure coincidence

bullshit

I'm sure the treehouse localizer would not call what they do art

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Jeez this thread is horrible. Let's make something clear no-one is saying gamergate invented the -gate suffix, accusing people of this is showing your own stupidity for not reading the thread.

#fiveguys was the twitter handle of gamergate before they became gamergate, coupled with the gate suffix joined with the ruined career, all adds up to an incredibly unlikely coincidence.

Tbh I'm disappointed in Nintendo.

Parody post???

 

[Sandfox]

Ask a non american about watergate, and they would told you about Deepthorat, the 2 Washington Post journalist,... but not the 5 guys who were arrested.

Hell, I watched All the President's Men and never made the connection.

Ask a dude about GamerGate and they'll know that the "Five Guys" thing is basically what started it all.

This is a company that makes translations based on memes, I'll give more credibility to the GamerGate intentionality that the other way around.



And they didn't really do anything about it.

Well, they actually did something, they legitimated the movement.

C'mon now.

Some people are still missing the core part of "FIVE GUYS".

With Watergate, they were never known as "Five guys", it was "Five burglars".

A core part of the GamerGate controversy was specifically "Five Guys" usage, it was used in the hashtag, it was a hashtag itself, if you even google "gamergate five guys" or "zoe quinn five guys" you will find tons of evidence of this.

Yes the the five fun guys etc is a fungi pun. We get it, that doesn't change anything. I'll refer to that in a bit

Why do some people think the person doing this for Nintendo would use "Five Fun Guys" when it was "Five burglars", when GamerGate controversy had specifically "Five Guys", which is much, much, much, MUCH, less obscure to gamers than trying to use "Five burglars" and trying to turn that into a pun just because the "five burglars" were men and thus "guys".

This was taking advantage of the parallels of the two, but what really makes this obvious that it was hinting towards GamerGate and Quinn is the "Five Fun Guys". I'm sorry but trying to say that is a reference to Watergate is perhaps one of the most obscure references you can get when "FIVE GUYS" regarding GAMERGATE that more gamers would know about is MUCH LESS OBSCURE than when "five burglars" were used in Watergate which were "guys". That is an insane leap to try and make a pun and say Watergate was its context, the pun was made in context of "five guys" in relation to GamerGate. Come on.

They obviously did it for the pun.

 

[HIGH DEF JEFF]

Always sided with Quinn..not this time.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Some people are still missing the core part of "FIVE GUYS".

With Watergate, they were never known as "Five guys", it was "Five burglars".

A core part of the GamerGate controversy was specifically "Five Guys" usage, it was used in the hashtag, it was a hashtag itself, if you even google "gamergate five guys" or "zoe quinn five guys" you will find tons of evidence of this.

Yes the the five fun guys etc is a fungi pun. We get it, that doesn't change anything. I'll refer to that in a bit

Why do some people think the person doing this for Nintendo would use "Five Fun Guys" when it was "Five burglars", when GamerGate controversy had specifically "Five Guys", which is much, much, much, MUCH, less obscure to gamers than trying to use "Five burglars" and trying to turn that into a pun just because the "five burglars" were men and thus "guys".

This was taking advantage of the parallels of the two, but what really makes this obvious that it was hinting towards GamerGate and Quinn is the "Five Fun Guys". I'm sorry but trying to say that is a reference to Watergate is perhaps one of the most obscure references you can get when "FIVE GUYS" regarding GAMERGATE that more gamers would know about is MUCH LESS OBSCURE than when "five burglars" were used in Watergate which were "guys". That is an insane leap to try and make a pun, the pun was made in context of "five guys" in relation to GamerGate.

The reason they used "guys" was most likely to get the fungi pun off. Honestly, I'm not sure I believe that line was related to either gate

 

[Salty Rice]

Always sided with Quinn..not this time.

Nobody in the world knows who this Nixon guy was.

On the other hand 99,9% of the population in the world knows who Zoe Quinn is.

Seriously people still thinking this isnt about watergate are just not wanting to hear the truth.

 

[Vimes]

The fact that the joke works equally well for both Gamergate and Watergate doesn't look good. The problem is that both are equally valid interpretations of the joke, which makes Zoe Quin's interpretation just as valid as those people who are interpreting it as a Watergate scandal joke.

This. If some edgelord at NoA snuck it in they would only be able to do so if they had plausible deniability. The fact that it can be interpreted multiple ways gives them that cover.

 

[Hypron]

yes, artists should edit their medium because a person was offended at a pure coincidence

bullshit

That's probably something added by the localisation team that wasn't in the original version so you're a bit reaching here.

 

[Lime]

regardless of how people read this, the fact remains that Nintendo is completely tone-deaf. It shows that no one at Nintendo is watching or are informed enough to care irrespective of what thing they tried to reference.

 

[SneakersSO]

Nintendo being "ultra conservative" is exactly the reason I'd expect them to make a pro-GG statement like this.

What exactly is pro-gg about this Watergate reference? If referencing five guys & ending something in gate now makes you pro-GG, then all discourse has been shattered forever.

 

[Thrashinuva]

With Watergate, they were never known as "Five guys", it was "Five burglars".

ctrl+f five

"He returned an hour later and, having discovered that someone had retaped the locks, Wills called the police. Five men were discovered inside the DNC office and arrested.[17] They were Virgilio González, Bernard Barker, James McCord, Eugenio Martínez, and Frank Sturgis, who were charged with attempted burglary and attempted interception of telephone and other communications."

 

[notworksafe]

Nintendo being "ultra conservative" is exactly the reason I'd expect them to make a pro-GG statement like this.

Do you understand that there are multiple meanings to the word "conservative"?

 

[GinoFelino]

No matter the arguments in here, someone at Nintendo is really dense to be making any -gate joke within a video game, and especially from them, at the time being. Regardless of intent.

Yep. The ease with which you can misinterpret the joke is the main issue.

 

[Ponn]

Is twitter the way we handle things now? Even professionally?

 

[Chaos17]

but then all this adds up

This should be put in the OP for foreigners who don't know america history.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Always sided with Quinn..not this time.

To be fair, those people aren't mushrooms

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

Nintendo being "ultra conservative" is exactly the reason I'd expect them to make a pro-GG statement like this.

They're not that kind of ultra-conservative, they're the kind that plays it ridiculously safe.

 

[Kinyou]

I can understand that Quinn would be pretty emotional about this and feel attacked, but why do some people her keep thinking that it was intentional? That it was a Watergate reference is more than clear now

 

[jmizzal]

Of course it isn't. -gate existed before gamergate and believe it or not, most people would match -gate with a million other things before gamer-.

Yup the gate thing been going on for over 40 years

 

[partyphone]

yes, artists should edit their medium because a person was offended at a pure coincidence

bullshit

lol. are we going to get into a censorship argument over something that is an English pun and therefore not a literal translation?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

After just looking at the images I thought she mightve been right.

But after watching the video where the images came from, I don't think it's a reference to gamergate at all(especially with 5 guys being involved with watergate). Did someone send her those images or did she watch the video and still felt it was about her?

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

Some people are still missing the core part of "FIVE GUYS".

With Watergate, they were never known as "Five guys", it was "Five burglars".

A core part of the GamerGate controversy was specifically "Five Guys" usage, it was used in the hashtag, it was a hashtag itself, if you even google "gamergate five guys" or "zoe quinn five guys" you will find tons of evidence of this.

Yes the the five fun guys etc is a fungi pun. We get it, that doesn't change anything. I'll refer to that in a bit

Why do some people think the person doing this for Nintendo would use "Five Fun Guys" when it was "Five burglars", when GamerGate controversy had specifically "Five Guys", which is much, much, much, MUCH, less obscure to gamers than trying to use "Five burglars" and trying to turn that into a pun just because the "five burglars" were men and thus "guys".

This was taking advantage of the parallels of the two, but what really makes this obvious that it was hinting towards GamerGate and Quinn is the "Five Fun Guys". I'm sorry but trying to say that is a reference to Watergate is perhaps one of the most obscure references you can get when "FIVE GUYS" regarding GAMERGATE that more gamers would know about is MUCH LESS OBSCURE than when "five burglars" were used in Watergate which were "guys". That is an insane leap to try and make a pun and say Watergate was its context, the pun was made in context of "five guys" in relation to GamerGate. Come on.

The amount of reaching here, jesus

 

[Mit-]

This is getting pretty insane :|

Bunch of nonsense at this point. Get the person who wrote the localized script to comment on it.

 

[KLoWn]

I'm on her side in the sense that i can't blame her for seeing a coincidental connection and being irked, considering her entire life has been consumed by this bullshit for years now. I would probably do the same thing in her shoes.

But yes it's pathetic how people are refusing to accept the truth and not seeing the clear connection to the historical event.

I would be cool with her mistake if she just tapped out and went "I'm sorry, I fucked up", but she's not. She's being a real asshole about this, not accepting anything but her own truth. Just read her twitter.


I'll just help the sane people out by re-posting this too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=23m09s

TOTALLY a gamergate joke hurr

some of you are being dense as fuck

 

[Wanderer5]

Well this thread is something.

Zoe Quinn took it a bit badly, but it understandable why she could think of it that way. Still it definitely looks like a watergate joke, and I really doubt Nintendo would be that stupid to joke her like that. Not to mention that she also took it bit out of context too, when in the full scene it makes it more like a watergate joke.

 

[Modest Mauser]

I'm convinced it's a just weird dated Watergate joke, but I can see how it would be interpreted the other way, especially by someone whose life has been turned upside down by that group for years now.

 

[truestatic]

I don't want to believe this was intentional. It seems impossible that anyone at Treehouse could do something so unbelievably tasteless. But I don't know how else to interpret this. It's too spot on. The only thing that even gives me pause is my own incredulity.

 

[Calm Mind]

The reach on this woman will aid her in her old age.

 

[Chao]

This is the kind of shit that was probably just a coincidence, but ultimately will force Nintendo to change it anyway, expect that text to be removed in the final version

 

[Iva Demilcol]

This is extremely naive, especially regarding Nintendo and the Treehouse

I'm not talking about Nintendo exclusively. I seriously doubt that Japanese developers are even aware about GG. And I seriously doubt the guys of Treehouse wrote this and thought "hopefully nobody will take this as a GG reference", as it's been suggested by some people.

 

[PapaEmeritus]

this is still going on....................

 

[MrBadger]

I honestly don't think Nintendo would sneak a GamerGate reference disguised as a Watergate reference in their game, because that would imply that they know full well that it'd be the wrong thing to do, and I'd like to think a company of professionals are above that.

A poorly thought out jab is a believable fuck up. But the "five fun guys" line is fairly far away from the "shufflegate" line and the word "exposed" ties it more to Watergate than Gamergate. So either it's a coincidence or they were fully aware they fucked up. And I think the former is more believable, especially considering how common the term [scandal]gate is.

I can totally understand Quinn for being sensitive about this though, all things considered.

 

[stufte]

Gamergate is in and of itself a reference to Watergate. Watergate is the Prime -gate. It's the -gate that started every -gate after it (for which there have been DOZENS). She needs to step away from the internet drama for a while and collect her thoughts.

 

[Thrashinuva]

To be fair, those people aren't mushrooms

They're just five fun guys.

 

[Storm Raider]

Why is this moving so fast lol

 

[tolkir]

This is legit the saddest thread since "Let's talk about the rape in Bayonetta"

I was thinking the same.

 

[Eliseo]

You're wrong, it's about Pemexgate!!!

 

[LordJim]

regardless of how people read this, the fact remains that Nintendo is completely tone-deaf. It shows that no one at Nintendo is watching or are informed enough to care.

"Cut it out with referencing political scandals known all around the globe guys, social media drama with -gate has been around'.
Nintendo is so out of touch.

 

[Kouriozan]

This is the fastest moving thread I've seen on GAF.

Bayonetta 2 comes to mind.

 

[Suzushiiro]

I mean, I can understand someone who was at the center of the whole shitstorm jumping to that conclusion, but... yeah, I highly doubt that was the intended reference. If this was a franchise/publisher that was more well known for making obscure internet culture references and targeting the audience that would understand them (such as Neptunia, which *has* made a GG reference before) I'd be more inclined to think that was the intent, but this is a game whose target audience is children. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed, mind you, but it clearly wasn't intending to be a GG reference.

People here need to remember that most people outside of the Reddit-*chan-GAF-Twitter gaming bubble don't even know/remember what the fuck Gamergate is, especially nearly two years after the fact and now that it's shrunk down to a relative handful of people who have nothing better to do than hang out on 8chan/KotakuInAction and/or milk those people and the things they're angry about for e-fame.

 

[Memory]

This is beyond dumb:

1. Pretty sure Treehouse localised this title
2. Treehouse were harassed by GG during the whole A.R episode

Unless

3. It was farmed out for localisation like some games are, in which case...
4. Its not Nintendo, they don't even know who Z.Q is.
5. Why make a big deal about it and reignite the same shit that contributed to your suffering in the first place?

Edit: Someone already posted Watergate reference stuff. What a big fucking non issue. People have got to stop being so fucking reactionary and quick to fire off shots.

 

[A Link to the Past]

What exactly is pro-gg about this Watergate reference? If referencing five guys & ending something in gate now makes you pro-GG, then all discourse has been shattered forever.

Yeah. Even if it was intentional, I wouldn't think of it as pro-GG, just making a reference in poor taste.

 

[k1t4j]

Dude no, no one knows about that Nixon thing that happened

get out of here with your sense. This is all about a conservative company, and their attempt to stay relevant by making a pun to some shady internet/gaming industry shit show and not about an history event that clearly no one ever heard about.

Also the text read Five FUN guys

not Five Guys

FIVE FUN GUYS

FUN

GUYS.

 

[HawthorneKitty]

Always sided with Quinn..not this time.

quote

 

[Puck Beaverton]

Nintendo, a company that changes things in their Western releases because they're so scared of criticism, would make a subtle GG joke. This company has never been subtle when they hammer their memes in there.

Is it possible someone snuck it in there? Yeah but it's extremely unlikely. People need to stop being dicks in this thread it's embarrassing.

 

[MUnited83]

Totally. A Nintendo game with a reference to one of the most well known scandals in the world is much less likely than one with a reference only a statistically insignificant clutch of people on the internet may be even casually aware of. That absolutely sounds like something a family friendly company that strongly appeals to the casual market would do.

I mean, I think it's a coincidence as well, but you are aware that Nintendo games have a fuckload of internet memes references, right?

The use of "gate" as a suffix indicating a scandal is many decades old. It did not begin with Zoe Quinn and "Gamergate," and I don't believe the game is referencing her in particular.

Thanks for relaying that very important information that everybody already knew. Quite helpful.

 

[low-G]

Y'all are being absolute TRASH

regardless of whether or not it's intentional or anything, can you really blame a person who has had her life ruined and is the subject of constant harassment for getting upset over something like this?

It could (and very well might be) just an awful coincidence. But imagine if it were you who had been on the end of the Internet hate machine for the past two years, and then saw this. I doubt you would take it calmly and gracefully.

Makes me wonder if Gamergate had a little more thought put into its name than I previously thought.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Can someone explain to me how having five (5) guys make it a gamergate reference?

Edit: Thanks! Just caught up with the thread. Moves fast!

 

[ScientificPizza]

To be fair, those people aren't mushrooms

and games journalists DO resemble fungus...