What happens if you go to the store and look for updates? Does Forza pop up as one? Just curious to know if the modded files kick off what it thinks would be a change from the latest on their servers.
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Forza Motorsport 6: Apex open beta arrives May 5 on Windows 10, system reqs revealed
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What happens if you go to the store and look for updates? Does Forza pop up as one? Just curious to know if the modded files kick off what it thinks would be a change from the latest on their servers.
I was still getting some pretty awful stuttering after latest patch, but I seemed to have fixed it with some strange tinkering.
The game seems to have shoddy g-sync support or something b/c the game has obvious micro stutter above 100fps w/ g-sync enabled.
Here's the crazy shit I had to do to eliminate the stutter. This is with a 144hz g-sync monitor / 980 Ti / i7 3770 / Installed on HDD
Nvidia Control Panel:
In-game video settings:
Hope this helps. Still tinkering, but stutter seems to be 99% eliminated.
tag: stutter
The game seems to have shoddy g-sync support or something b/c the game has obvious micro stutter above 100fps w/ g-sync enabled.
Here's the crazy shit I had to do to eliminate the stutter. This is with a 144hz g-sync monitor / 980 Ti / i7 3770 / Installed on HDD
Nvidia Control Panel:
Change resolution:
Refresh rate: 60hz
Manage 3D Settings:
Monitor technology: Fixed Refresh
Power management: Prefer max performance
Preferred refresh rate: Application-controlled
Vertical sync: Use the 3d application setting
Shader cache: Off
Max pre-rendered frames: 1
In-game video settings:
Force resolution: off
Performance target: 60fps (v-sync)
Hope this helps. Still tinkering, but stutter seems to be 99% eliminated.
tag: stutter
TheAdmiester
Member
I would if I had any idea what to say lol. I don't mind someone quoting that post in a new thread if they want to kick it off.
As far as I know Windows 10 apps check for updates every time I boot the computer. Forza has updated itself previously with absolutely no input for me, I started the game one time and suddenly the 60fps cap was gone as part of an update.
Modding the game alone doesn't seem to mark the files as needing to be updated, so I don't think it's constantly checking for deltas but rather just being told what to download when it's time because my modded files have survived said update mentioned above. I imagine they haven't changed the renderscenarios files so that's why mine were never overwritten.
Interesting, thanks.
Windows 10 will check for updates roughly once per day on a slightly randomized schedule, and the update infrastructure does indeed work by checking what's on disk vs. what's on the server. However, that behavior could change slightly depending on specifically what files you modify.
TheAdmiester
Member
I assume that whatever I've screwed with with the folder permissions has maybe stopped it from doing those checks? Not sure, I did a lot of fiddling to even be able to access it.
Also, you guys don't mind us doing all of this fiddling, right? Lol.
Does SLI support come with it too?
I'm not going to tell you not to do something, I just hope you're not surprised if something ends up broken
TheAdmiester
Member
I'm not going to tell you not to do something, I just hope you're not surprised if something ends up broken
You're not learning if you haven't broken something lol. The game's been working fine so far, just wish we had access to more stuff than these XML files but obviously that isn't your decision to make either lol.
Blam
Member
Best way of checking if anything works is swapping the files for the cars.
I did that when I had early access to the beta and with KI.
Also modding UWP is easy as fuck lmao.
Prophecy650
Member
21:9 support please!!
TheAdmiester
Member
I already did my own easy test on Forza, the credits are plaintext so if you edit the first line you'll immediately see what changed.
Also interesting.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
Saw thread bumped, hoping for DirectInput wheel support
Blam
Member
Yeah I modded Dead Rising 4 and Killer Instinct like that.
deadscreensky
Member
I think the implication is that next year's Forza 7 will be the real deal on PC. (And Horizon 3, of course.) At best Apex seems like a sizable testbed.
I'd be thrilled if they could just fix the memory leaks and framerate hitching. I'd love to really master the content in here, but currently the framerate is so unreliable and bad that I can't get through that. It's seriously hindering my own performance.
(It's not my reasonably fast hardware, though upgrading to 16 gigs of RAM in the next couple months will probably help.)
I'd be thrilled if they could just fix the memory leaks and framerate hitching. I'd love to really master the content in here, but currently the framerate is so unreliable and bad that I can't get through that. It's seriously hindering my own performance.
(It's not my reasonably fast hardware, though upgrading to 16 gigs of RAM in the next couple months will probably help.)
Marko_Baomoro
Member
I've a 780ti still not saving graphics setting.
Till launch of course.
Everytime i wanna play, i have to change values, and there are many... So annoying...
Any patch or tip?
Till launch of course.
Everytime i wanna play, i have to change values, and there are many... So annoying...
Any patch or tip?
deadscreensky
Member
I think it checks for an update every day. Otherwise you could manually check for updates in the Windows Store program.
My hope is that they waiting for general improvements with the big anniversary update around a month from now and that will fix it. It's also possible part of it is a driver issue that's out of their hands -- I haven't tested it yet with the Nvidia drivers just released. (They don't mention a fix, but that doesn't mean anything.)
There's definitely some sort of bug going on, because performance gets progressively worse until you restart the game. Then it's better for a while before getting progressively worse again. Even restarting the same race seems to kill performance.
I was quite impressed, but I am running it with a high end rig. It was a good move by Microsoft giving us PC users a taster version, and has lead me to consider to purchase Forza Horizon 3. I seem to get slight stuttering on both 1080 and 4K did'nt test 1440 as it did'nt bother me that much as I finished the career (al medals)and have little desire to play more just to unlock more cars,
Microsoft need to improve windows store and such if it going to compete/
Microsoft need to improve windows store and such if it going to compete/
Who would have guessed that a beta doesn't run perfectly?
If Forza Apex not running perfectly on PC on some setups keeps you away from PC gaming you probably weren't that serious about it in the first place.
imo
You're probably right.
Sounds like Turn 10 and MS weren't really serious about it either.
If Forza Apex not running perfectly on PC on some setups keeps you away from PC gaming you probably weren't that serious about it in the first place.
imo
A cut down version of a year old Xbox one game, published by the platform holder of both the Xbox one and the PC windows platform has no excuse not to run well on high end PCs
Diablohead
Member
This game still stutters for me randomly in random places at random times, this also means gear changes are ignored around that time so every race or two I am missing a gear shift because of it.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Indeed, but that's like saying "the console dream isn't being sold to me" when you judge ONE title that doesn't run well on the system.
The narrative that he may not have been interested to begin with makes sense.
'He' is very interested in moving to PC gaming, but 'he' keeps getting put off by threads like this. Those are the simple facts.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Don't know what to tell 'you'.
No matter what PC you have you will always have some problems on some games, I have been a pc gamer for over 20 years and have learned never get you hopes up, or you get obessed over the slightest thing, thats' why generally I switch off the FPS counter in games
Current Spec i7 6700K (o/c to 4.6hz) Asus Maximum Ranger M/B, Evga 1080 SC, 32mb Ram & 500gb SSD. I am running a 4K monitor rather than a 144hz one. I know certain games wont be as well optimized (Quantum Break) and that has always been the case. IMO Forza runs pretty well, but as soon as you get OCD over stuff then you will end up being disappointed with PC gaming as keeping up with high standards ends up being pricey. (I wont be upgrading for a least 3 to 5 years)
At the end of the day I think this was a tester to see how well they game would run on pc's. If you want to play multi format AAA games at reasonable specs on PC you need need upgrade you graphics card every 2-4 years depends on the card you choose.. This has always been the case.
Current Spec i7 6700K (o/c to 4.6hz) Asus Maximum Ranger M/B, Evga 1080 SC, 32mb Ram & 500gb SSD. I am running a 4K monitor rather than a 144hz one. I know certain games wont be as well optimized (Quantum Break) and that has always been the case. IMO Forza runs pretty well, but as soon as you get OCD over stuff then you will end up being disappointed with PC gaming as keeping up with high standards ends up being pricey. (I wont be upgrading for a least 3 to 5 years)
At the end of the day I think this was a tester to see how well they game would run on pc's. If you want to play multi format AAA games at reasonable specs on PC you need need upgrade you graphics card every 2-4 years depends on the card you choose.. This has always been the case.
Recent patch made it possible for me to unlock the framerate now (wouldn't work unless I unplugged my second monitor when it first came out) - and G-Sync works. I'm really happy with it, it plays, looks and runs so well the game is often 90-100fps, maxed out at 2560x1440 (8xMSAA).
How well this turned out makes me so, so excited for Horizon 3 and Forza 7.
How well this turned out makes me so, so excited for Horizon 3 and Forza 7.
You either jump in and accept that there will be lows that are greatly outshadowed by the highs or you don't. It will be a while, or possibly never, before PC games are perfect all the time.
Ah, that old excuse...
If advertising software as unfinished and still under development doesn't constitute an acceptable excuse to you, I have absolutely no idea what would.
deadscreensky
Member
Yeah, it bugs me personally just because I'd like to experience it better, but Turn 10 was very clear that Apex (at least at the start) was a release deliberately intended to work out a lot of existing UWP kinks. They haven't finished that process yet, clearly. Comparing it to the experience of a released retail game would be silly.
Pjsprojects
Member
For me the game has run fine from day one and looks nice enough at 1080 with max settings.
Just hope Horizon 3 runs as well.
Just hope Horizon 3 runs as well.
I think it's all the faffing about that puts me off. PC threads still seem to be full of people playing with settings instead of playing the games, and being disappointed that they can't get the performance that their hardware should be capable of. Ok, Apex is a beta but pick any other thread and it's a similar story. Why is this still a thing in 2016?
deadscreensky
Member
I'm not personally convinced this is a problem, but if you are correct it would be better argued in a thread for a game that wasn't expected and intended to have issues, right?
You will not find a place with more audio, cables,... problems than a high end audiophiles forum. They are using the most expensive shit in audio market but they are the most fussy people in audio quality too.
I mean, if you like perfect IQ and framerates you can only go to pc. If you like messing with settings, you have to go to pc. If you like to mod... You will not find a thread about settings in a console game mainly because is not possible to change settings, right?
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
That's what PC gamers on NeoGAF like to talk about in a beta thread. I don't really do that, I just play the games, personally. But GAF has always been a technical discussion board, especially with games where that seems to be something of note. Even console games have threads full of people bitching about a 30 fps lock when it doesn't seem necessary.
If you want GAF to sell you on PC, go read the Steam thread or something.
frontieruk
Member
Mostly because people think because they have PC they should be able to run everything at max, its not the case. There are so many variables that affect a PC from the components through to the software running such as the OS antivirus etc that performance would be different on identical hardware due to software and OS choices.
Consoles only have one hardware, one os and is so curated performance hogging apps won't make it to the store.
People talk about different settings because there are so many options available on PC. Just like people talking about FFB or car setup options when discussing pcars or something. You don't have to spend a lot of time tweaking stuff if you don't want to but you can if you want.
jediyoshi
Member
Consoles are closed platform. PCs are not.
Thanks for the insight, chaps. This is something that I've been wrestling with for quite some time. I know PC gaming isn't likely to ever be as 'fire and forget' as console gaming, but the audiophile analogy is an interesting one. Food for thought, certainly.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Very much this.
SkinnerSw33t
Member
Is there a way to force Apex to run on a secondary monitor? I'm using Win 10 and have a 1070.
Make the secondary monitor your primary monitor?
SkinnerSw33t
Member
OK. That's what I'm doing. I was hoping maybe there was a slicker way. Thanks.