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Shawshank Redemption Theory: Andy Dufrense was actually guilty and did kill his wife

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Arnie7

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Saw an interesting theories about this.

Article: http://moviepilot.com/posts/2641122

Another from Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/2rhbgt/the_evidence_that_andy_dufresne_from_shawshank/


I can't believe how little discussion I've seen on this, and that it never occurred to me before. I only found one small old thread on reddit, with a couple poor arguments in it. Here is the evidence as I see it:

1. The story is told from Red's perspective as narrator, meaning every ounce of it came from Andy and how he chose to portray himself to his cell mates.
Andy's story in court was that he went to confront his wife, armed, motivated, and drunk, he dropped bullets with his fingerprints everywhere, then he changed his mind and left. His gun then vanished mysteriously, never to be found. As a spectacular, trillion-to-one coincidence, his wife was murdered by someone else that exact same night.

2. The story Tommy tells about Elmo blatch admitting to killing in a similar manner to that which happened to Andy's wife really could be inaccurate or a coincidence, exactly as the warden said. It's certainly far more likely than Andy's ridiculous defense being true.

3. Andy was a rich man convicted by a jury as guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That doesn't just happen easily, even in those days.

4. The original novella leaves his innocence more ambiguous (e.g. the warden doesn't kill Tommy), so it's possible the movie simply slanted things to appeal to the widest audience, making Andy a hero.
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
People can believe what they want, but the points made besides the first one are...eeehhhhhhh
 
I could've sworn the original story written by Stephen King made it clear that he didn't.

If you're wondering, the story is "Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption" and its in his Different Seasons short story book.
 

SpaceWolf

Banned
My Shawshank Redemption theory has always been that Andy and Red's reunion at the beach was all just in Red's head, in keeping with the film's original ending in addition to the original source material.
 
Andy's story in court was that he went to confront his wife, armed, motivated, and drunk, he dropped bullets with his fingerprints everywhere, then he changed his mind and left. His gun then vanished mysteriously, never to be found. As a spectacular, trillion-to-one coincidence, his wife was murdered by someone else that exact same night.

This is from the book I assume as I don't remember that much detail being specified in the movie, right?
 
4. The original novella leaves his innocence more ambiguous (e.g. the warden doesn't kill Tommy), so it's possible the movie simply slanted things to appeal to the widest audience, making Andy a hero.

What, no. He's clearly innocent.
 

Jinkies

Member
Why would a film about "redemption" subvert every message it attempts to convey by weaving a secret like this into the plot? Andy is intended to be a victim of circumstance and corruption, the same way many of us view ourselves from time to time. That is what makes his triumph so moving.

This is an instance where fandom is squeezing blood from a stone.
 

Corpekata

Banned
Alternative fan theories are kinda fun until enough fans start believing and it becomes impossible to escape in discussion about the topic. See Squall is Dead, Marche is the Real Villain, and Ferris Bueller isn't Real.

They are best saved for like a Cracked article and that's about it.
 
My Shawshank Redemption theory has always been that Andy and Red's reunion at the beach was all just in Red's head, in keeping with the film's original ending in addition to the original source material.

Are you talking about the novella? Because he violates his parole to go meet up with Andy in there as well.
 
As a spectacular, trillion-to-one coincidence, his wife was murdered by someone else that exact same night.

Andy was a rich man convicted by a jury as guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That doesn't just happen easily, even in those days.

Isn't this the entire damn point of the movie? What happened was such a bizarre coincidence, the jury just couldn't entertain what happened to him being true. And thus sentenced an innocent man to prison.

None of this is evidence of anything anyways.
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
What really happened is Red hung himself and just invisioned meeting Andy again on that beach.

Andy got caught in the sewer and died, and after that, Red just couldn't go on after being released. Hence, why he got released. He just didn't give a damn anymore about living or dying. It's a perfect metaphor for prison rehabilitation.
 

John Dunbar

correct about everything
Isn't this the entire damn point of the movie? What happened was such a bizarre coincidence, the jury just couldn't entertain what happened to him being true. And thus sentenced an innocent man to prison.

None of this is evidence of anything anyways.

it's "a bizarre coincidence" only because andy couldn't come up with a better story.
 

The Chef

Member
Who would be obtuse enough to believe this?

Amazing.

And regarding this from the OP
I can't believe how little discussion I've seen on this, and that it never occurred to me before. I only found one small old thread on reddit, with a couple poor arguments in it. Here is the evidence as I see it:

1. The story is told from Red's perspective as narrator, meaning every ounce of it came from Andy and how he chose to portray himself to his cell mates.
Andy's story in court was that he went to confront his wife, armed, motivated, and drunk, he dropped bullets with his fingerprints everywhere, then he changed his mind and left. His gun then vanished mysteriously, never to be found. As a spectacular, trillion-to-one coincidence, his wife was murdered by someone else that exact same night.

2. The story Tommy tells about Elmo blatch admitting to killing in a similar manner to that which happened to Andy's wife really could be inaccurate or a coincidence, exactly as the warden said. It's certainly far more likely than Andy's ridiculous defense being true.

3. Andy was a rich man convicted by a jury as guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That doesn't just happen easily, even in those days.

4. The original novella leaves his innocence more ambiguous (e.g. the warden doesn't kill Tommy), so it's possible the movie simply slanted things to appeal to the widest audience, making Andy a hero.

Wow such compelling arguments.
Talk about reaching, good lord.

You're telling me that Andy murdered his wife but claimed she was murdered for sleeping with a golf pro and that later, someone admits to killing a dame who was sleeping with a golf pro.
Andy must have been stoked with that coincidence!
 

SpaceWolf

Banned
Are you talking about the novella? Because he violates his parole to go meet up with Andy in there as well.

In the original novella, Red sets out to meet Andy, but we never find out if he ever does. The original ending of the film ended in a similarly ambiguous fashion, closing on Red riding out to meet Andy on the bus. But an unfavourable test screening caused the ending to be changed, hence why "the beach scene" was added later on...which in my opinion took a lot away from the thematic crux of Red's monologue about travelling out into the unknown in addition to the importance hope at the very end.
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
The Shawshank Redemption is actually a dream that Andy from Toy Story is having while having the same plot as The Walking Dead.
 

Kinitari

Black Canada Mafia
For those saying that this theory holds no water... What are the holes? I actually always thought this was the case too, or at least I'm left wondering "DID he really do it?"
 

johnny956

Member
Who would be obtuse enough to believe this?

m-night-shyamalan.jpg
 

Aureon

Please do not let me serve on a jury. I am actually a crazy person.
You should always give fiction the "One-coincidence" leeway: Often, a story is worth being told because it starts with one incredible coincidence. If there's further ones, look for plot holes: But if the coincidence is the entire reason the plot exists, it's fine.
 

Matty77

Member
This is why people say fans are entitled and it's what I have been getting frustrated in the stranger things spoiler thread.

When your ideas are in direct conflict with both the source material and what the author has stated the meaning was in discussion of the fiction in real life, that's not a fan theory, that's just pulling shit out your ass to fufill your need to feel clever and disrespects the author a lot of the time.
 

John Dunbar

correct about everything
This is why people say fans are entitled and it's what I have been getting frustrated in the stranger things spoiler thread.

When your ideas are in direct conflict with both the source material and what the author has stated the meaning was in discussion of the fiction in real life, that's not a fan theory, that's just pulling shit out your ass to fufill your need to feel clever and disrespects the author a lot of the time.

discussing a movie is "entitled," lol
 

Brakke

Banned
This is stupid. "Theories" are stupid. Even if this was true what would it matter. These little "the plot was different than you thought!" things never actually explore what their new synopsis would mean, thematically.
 

shaowebb

Member
Ugh...this is about as bad as those "game theory" episodes where they end their pants on head blithering with "but its juuuuust a theeeeeeory...a GAAAAAAAME THEORYHYUKHYUKHYUKHYUKHYUK".

Saying its just a theory doesn't really excuse intentionally ignoring elements of something to retell it in a mysterious twist ending way. Its generally just comes off as really really badly missing the point and believing in whatever fantastical head canon ideas you prefer.
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
This is why people say fans are entitled and it's what I have been getting frustrated in the stranger things spoiler thread.

When your ideas are in direct conflict with both the source material and what the author has stated the meaning was in discussion of the fiction in real life, that's not a fan theory, that's just pulling shit out your ass to fufill your need to feel clever and disrespects the author a lot of the time.

It's becoming a bit of problem in the analysis of modern media. Perfect storm of BuzzFeed articles and shows that revolve around twists and soapy drama. People look for convoluted explanations to find some hidden Easter egg in the film or show instead of just looking at what theyre being given and what its intent is.
 
There is basically nothing there to come to that conclusion. It's so flimsy. I'd imagine if King wanted to make it ambiguous, he'd do a better job.
 
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