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[NobleGundam]

Sounds like Team Valor.

Triggered

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

I consider myself liberal, yet, I support gun ownership. I also support stricter gun laws though.

I'm a liberal European citizen and I like guns. Weird, huh? I actually oppose stricter gun laws for Europe because European gun laws are fine right now.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

I don't either.
I want to live in a world where no one wants to hurt anyone else.
But if the situation arises where someone wants to kill me and has the means to do it, I would like to have the ability to even the odds.

I live in the UK so if I get robbed it's more likely to be with a knife. Not going to start carrying a knife around though, really don't want to get into a knife fight over a phone\wallet. If someone straight up wants to murder me then thats different but I'm not sure how I'd stop someone from jumping me from behind or attacking me in a way that would give me no chance to react. Guess I could treat everyone as a potential attacker and walk around clutching a knife in my pocket ready to spring into action but that sounds like a shitty way to live.

 

[Wollan]

I suspect at least one of those gamers had a track-my-phone system active.
Not potentially worth losing lives and a few hundred $ for. Very likely they could have tracked them after and caught them red-handed.

 

[infinitys_7th]

The gun was used to attempt to kill the robbers....

That's not murder.

Killing =/= murder

 

[Gravy Boat]

Bad guys lost, good guys won. Some people got hurt along the way. Peace was restored to the galaxy. Just like Star Wars. A feel good movie.

Getting shot in the stomach is winning? I disagree, and I think winning and losing is a disappointing way of looking at situations like this.

 

[DragonSworne]

That's not murder.

Killing =/= murder

Sure it does. It's just depends on if the person will be punished for it. Not being punished doesn't make it not murder, at least in my book.

 

[Acerac]

I feel good about it.
A story showing guns can be properly used for defense, not just murdering people (the narrative I tend to hear the most).

But the fact that the robber had a gun is what started the whole issue.

 

[Fallout-NL]

Sure it does. It's just depends on if the person will be punished for it. Not being punished doesn't make it not murder, at least in my book.

Murder has to be premeditated.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Murder has to be premeditated.

First Degree Murder has to be pre-meditated at least in the US.

Second Degree Murder does not

https://www.hg.org/murder.html

First Degree Murder

First degree murder is the most serious of all homicide charges, and applies to the intentional killing of a person after planning (or premeditation). It requires malice (evil intent) and forethought (planning). These cases are usually considered among the most heinous crimes and as such, the most severe punishments are reserved for them including life in prison or the death penalty.

Second Degree Murder

Second degree murder, on the other hand, usually applies to cases in which the killing may have been intentional but was not premeditated. These are often referred to as “crimes of passion.” A common example is the jealous husband that flies into a homicidal rage and kills his wife and her lover when he finds them in bed together.

Some states also consider grossly wanton and reckless behavior that results in the death of another to be second degree murder. This applies in situations where one's actions were so wanton and reckless that the death of another person was almost assured, even if the killing was not intentional.

Second degree murder is also very serious, and in most situations the defendant could face decades to life in prison, though the death sentence is not a possibility in these cases.

By US law, a robbery victim killing a perpetrator would probably be argued to be Justifiable homicide, not murder.

 

[Makonero]

I think it's irresponsible to draw your gun when it is not just your life on the line, but that of your friends. I'd be pissed if a friend of mine almost got me shot even if saved my belongings. Things can be replaced, people can't.

That said, I'm glad it all worked out.

 

[Nephtes]

I think it's irresponsible to draw your gun when it is not just your life on the line, but that of your friends. I'd be pissed if a friend of mine almost got me shot even if saved my belongings. Things can be replaced, people can't.

That said, I'm glad it all worked out.

So if a guy with a gun pulls a gun on you and you have a gun on you but don't pull it because other people's lives are on the line too, and the gunman kills everyone, that's okay, because well at least you didn't endanger everyone with your gun?

 

[Makonero]

So if a guy with a gun pulls a gun on you and you have a gun on you but don't pull it because other people's lives are on the line too, and the gunman kills everyone, that's okay, because well at least you didn't endanger everyone with your gun?

What if aliens dropped from the sky and made us all turn into pudding BUT THEY WOULDN'T IF I PULLED MY GUN

(why would they murder us if they have their stuff, generally armed robbers aren't looking to murder)

Sure are a lot of people successfully drawing and shooting someone who already has a loaded weapon drawn and pointed at them as of late.

Does being an armed robber make you slow down by 5x or something?

Pokemon is a turn based game

Defender may have gotten ambushed but his speed stat was higher

 

[BronsonLee]

I'd probably be flan vs pudding

 

[Ray Wonder]

What if aliens dropped from the sky and made us all turn into pudding BUT THEY WOULDN'T IF I PULLED MY GUN

(why would they murder us if they have their stuff, generally armed robbers aren't looking to murder)



Pokemon is a turn based game

Defender may have gotten ambushed but his speed stat was higher

(why would they rob us at gun point, people aren't generally looking to rob)

But you found yourself in that situation. Just like you can find yourself in the oh shit I'm dead situation.

 

[Makonero]

(why would they rob us at gun point, people aren't generally looking to rob)

But you found yourself in that situation. Just like you can find yourself in the oh shit I'm dead situation.

Uh, thieves generally are out to rob people. And again, escalating the situation is a bad call when they have the drop on you.

 

[GaimeGuy]

So if a guy with a gun pulls a gun on you and you have a gun on you but don't pull it because other people's lives are on the line too, and the gunman kills everyone, that's okay, because well at least you didn't endanger everyone with your gun?

If he wanted to kill you he wouldn't pull the gun and ask for your belongings. He'd just shoot you and then take your belongings.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Uh, thieves generally are out to rob people. And again, escalating the situation is a bad call when they have the drop on you.

Yeah, but they lived. If they didn't do what they did, you cannot say for sure that they would've. You can say they had a good chance to, but even then that's just assuming.

And, Uh, murderers tend to murder. Thieves and murderers are both people, and not labeled with a giant floating name tag above their head.

If he wanted to kill you he wouldn't pull the gun and ask for your belongings. He'd just shoot you and then take your belongings.

I don't even know where you would obtain this information? Wouldn't it be easier to shoot someone and IMMEDIATELY run? Not shoot someone, dig through their pockets, and then run?

 

[Nephtes]

(why would they murder us if they have their stuff, generally armed robbers aren't looking to murder)

By all logic I have ever heard here is that the only use for guns is to kill people. If guy is pointing a gun at you, he intends to kill you. Otherwise, why bring a gun? Why not just nicely ask for your possessions.

Gun safety lesson 101: do not point a gun (loaded or unloaded) at someone or something you don't want to see dead or broken.

"Well it's okay guys, he just wanted to take things that belonged to other people while pointing a deadly weapon at them. Come on it's not worth getting worked up over having a death device pointed at your face while someone takes your belongings because REALLY he probably maybe won't kill you."

 

[Makonero]

Yeah, but they lived. If they didn't do what they did, you cannot say for sure that they would've. You can say they had a good chance to, but even then that's just assuming.

And, Uh, murderers tend to murder. Thieves and murderers are both people, and not labeled with a giant floating name tag above their head.

By all logic I have ever heard here is that the only use for guns is to kill people. If guy is pointing a gun at you, he intends to kill you. Otherwise, why bring a gun? Why not just nicely ask for your possessions.

Gun safety lesson 101: do not point a gun (loaded or unloaded) at someone or something you don't want to see dead or broken.

"Well it's okay guys, he just wanted to take things that belonged to other people while pointing a deadly weapon at them. Come on it's not worth getting worked up over having a death device pointed at your face while someone takes your belongings."

So why didn't they shoot right away? Why aren't we reading a story about six dead Pokemon Go players and the robbers that looted their corpses?

Oh that's right, because these were thieves, not murderers.

 

[Trey]

Professor Beef ain't with the games this time around.

 

[Nephtes]

So why didn't they shoot right away? Why aren't we reading a story about six dead Pokemon Go players and the robbers that looted their corpses?

Oh that's right, because these were thieves, not murderers.

Gunshots draw attention... Better for the thief to have all the valuables before they fire 6+ bullets into a group of people to leave no witnesses?

 

[What did he mean by this?]

Feel good to story to responsible gun owners is a public shootout? L0L

Over a phone and a wallet too...really? Maybe if they broke in my house I'd feel like killing them...but trying to QuickDraw McGraw armed robbers? Why

 

[PreFire]

If he wanted to kill you he wouldn't pull the gun and ask for your belongings. He'd just shoot you and then take your belongings.

What?

Come on, man,

There are plenty of instances where the pathetic thief still kills the victims after robbing them for seeing their faces. Sometimes the victims have valuables well hidden or something.

You can't know what the fuck those assholes were thinking.

It was fucked up he put his friends lives at more of a risk for starting the shootout, but who the fuck wants to get robbed? That shit is corny. I feel no sympathy for the thief who is wounded.

Guns suck. and so does anyone who would rob or steal from another person. I found an iPhone 6 Plus the other night and brought it to my local precinct. The pricks asked for my name, probably thought I was suspicious or something. I just can't stand the thought of me losing one of my things so I do the right thing, hoping someone does it for me.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Yeah, but they lived. If they didn't do what they did, you cannot say for sure that they would've. You can say they had a good chance to, but even then that's just assuming.

And, Uh, murderers tend to murder. Thieves and murderers are both people, and not labeled with a giant floating name tag above their head.



I don't even know where you would obtain this information? Wouldn't it be easier to shoot someone and IMMEDIATELY run? Not shoot someone, dig through their pockets, and then run?

Statistics are a pretty poor way to deal with situations like this. Even though statistics show you are better off fighting back, and fighting back with a gun is most effective every situation involving people is different and has to be approached on a by case basis IMHO.

 

[KDR_11k]

I wonder if it's even a sound idea for robbers or molesters to go after PGO players, after all that game directs crowds to a place and robbers would quickly be outnumbered and pedophiles are more likely to lure in a bunch of 20-somethings than any actual kids if they try using the game.

 

[Makonero]

https://www.revealnews.org/article/...shows-armed-guards-increase-risk-of-violence/

When guards were armed during a bank crime, injury rates soared for everyone in the bank. Civilian security guards have borne the worst of it: Sixty-four guards were hurt for every 1,000 incidents when armed, compared with less than 1 injury per 1,000 incidents when they were unarmed.

And this is trained guards at banks. Not an untrained civilian.

 

[Ray Wonder]

So why didn't they shoot right away? Why aren't we reading a story about six dead Pokemon Go players and the robbers that looted their corpses?

Oh that's right, because these were thieves, not murderers.

There's a timeline. The entirety of the timeline includes the ability to be murdered. Pulling a gun instead of giving your things may have changed the timeline from being murdered to not being murdered. Your psychoanalyzing an armed robber and saying "He's not gonna hurt them"

I'm saying, the outcome that has occurred, is the outcome I would take if it was a choice between it, and going back to give up my belongings while putting my entire trust into a robber to not kill me. It just doesn't make sense to me how much trust you guys have in this armed robber.

 

[Two Words]

God, I hope I'm never in a store being robbed with any of these posters acting as if it's better to try and attack an armed robber. These dudes have been watching Coming to America too much.

 

[platakul]

FWIW, I don't have NRA membership and fundamentally disagree with them that we don't need more gun control laws.

Because we do. The gun show loophole has got to go.



As an actual independent, not beholden to any established political party, I have awesome politics thanks very much.

socially liberal/ fiscally conservative?

 

[KDR_11k]

So if you have a concealed gun in a robbery it's safer to shoot first than to comply until they look away and shoot them in the back?

 

[Nephtes]

God, I hope I'm never in a store being robbed with any of these posters acting as if it's better to try and attack an armed robber. These dudes have been watching Coming to America too much.

No one is talking about hitting a thief or Samuel L. Jackson with a mop... Jeez.

/s

socially liberal/ fiscally conservative?

That is a simplification of my political stances I have used in an attempt to describe them before, yes.

 

[gwailo]

Probably not a good idea to be wandering around a park in a bad part of town at 4 AM while staring at your phone.

 

[water_wendi]

If you are caught unaware its probably best to give them what you have and fire if opportunity presents itself.

 

[Two Words]

No one is talking about hitting a thief or Samuel L. Jackson with a mop... Jeez.

/s



That is a simplification of my political stances I have used in an attempt to describe them before, yes.

Yeah, the pro-shooters probably imagine the situation will go like this:

 

[Nephtes]

Yeah, the pro-shooters probably imagine the situation will go like this:

Nah... It'd be a little different.
I don't smoke...

That shit kills...

 

[Gravy Boat]

Probably not a good idea to be wandering around a park in a bad part of town at 4 AM while staring at your phone.

Do we know what time it was at? The article in the OP just says 'early morning'. Could have been 6am or something when people are heading to work.

 

[water_wendi]

Do we know what time it was at? The article in the OP just says 'early morning'. Could have been 6am or something when people are heading to work.

It was at around 4am.

http://news3lv.com/news/local/two-wounded-after-shooting-between-suspect-pokemon-go-player

LAS VEGAS (KSNV News3LV) —

A group of Pokemon Go players found themselves in the middle of gunfire at a Northeast park. Metro police say a robber got into a gun battle with another Pokemon Go player.

Chris Schussman rides his bike through Freedom Park looking for that unique Pokemon character.

"This is the Magikarp spot. It spawns mostly Magikarp," Schussman said.

Early this morning after 4 a.m. Freedom Park transformed into a crime scene. Metro detectives say a group of six Pokemon Go players was the target of an armed robber.

 

[GaimeGuy]

What?

Come on, man,

There are plenty of instances where the pathetic thief still kills the victims after robbing them for seeing their faces. Sometimes the victims have valuables well hidden or something.

You can't know what the fuck those assholes were thinking.

It was fucked up he put his friends lives at more of a risk for starting the shootout, but who the fuck wants to get robbed? That shit is corny. I feel no sympathy for the thief who is wounded.

I would be interested in knowing the rates of property crimes committed in the act of murder vs murders committed in the act of property crimes.

In other words: is it more likely for you to walk away from a robbery than for a corpse to not be subsequently looted?

This idea that "Oh but you don't know their intentions" ignores the fact that by turning the situation into a shootout, you are giving the armed robber no choice but to escalate their crime from burglary to felony murder, in the interest of self preservation.

That's not to say what they're doing is okay, but is it really worth it for you to escalate matters?

 

[Nephtes]

I would be interested in knowing the rates of property crimes committed in the act of murder vs murders committed in the act of property crimes.

In other words: is it more likely for you to walk away from a robbery than for a corpse to not be subsequently looted?

I too would like to see these statistics.

I'm sure anyone who was murdered during a robbery would love to read some statistics on this as well.

 

[Order]

The fact that someone can consider this a feel good story shows how fucked up this country is

 

[Cocaloch]

So if a guy with a gun pulls a gun on you and you have a gun on you but don't pull it because other people's lives are on the line too, and the gunman kills everyone, that's okay, because well at least you didn't endanger everyone with your gun?

Yup, because with the information I had when I made the decision I went with the one that was more likely to lead to the safety of my group. You can't use hindsight to justify how to make choices in an instance. You have to use the information available at the time. Muggers aren't looking to murder people generally.

(why would they rob us at gun point, people aren't generally looking to rob)

But you found yourself in that situation. Just like you can find yourself in the oh shit I'm dead situation.

I feel like I usually respect your points but this is some hot nonsense. If someone is mugging you there is generally no indication they plan on killing you. If someone runs up to me with a gun and says I'm going to kill you and your friends and I had a gun for some reason I would use it. If someone runs up to me and says hand over your stuff I wouldn't break out a weapon.

The fact that someone can consider this a feel good story shows how fucked up this country is

I mean I think that says more about the OP than the country.

By all logic I have ever heard here is that the only use for guns is to kill people. If guy is pointing a gun at you, he intends to kill you. Otherwise, why bring a gun? Why not just nicely ask for your possessions.

Gun safety lesson 101: do not point a gun (loaded or unloaded) at someone or something you don't want to see dead or broken.

"Well it's okay guys, he just wanted to take things that belonged to other people while pointing a deadly weapon at them. Come on it's not worth getting worked up over having a death device pointed at your face while someone takes your belongings because REALLY he probably maybe won't kill you."

You realize your argument here is essentially that robbers must be good gun owners so if they are pointing a gun at you it means they intend to kill you. Do you really think that's a sensible argument?

 

[Azerare]

I never like how these discussions devolve into what ifs scenarios on both sides of debate.

I'll chalk it up as a better story compared to the trend we've been seeing lately in the media. Fact of the matter, no one died. Criminals didn't get their way.

 

[Nephtes]

The fact that someone can consider this a feel good story shows how fucked up this country is

I mean I think that says more about the OP than the country.

I know right??
OP is a fucking monster.

Who could possibly think it's a feel-good story when a criminal with a loaded gun goes to prey on innocent people playing Pokemon GO on their cell phones in a public park, has the tables turned on him, and gets some of his own medicine inflicted upon him, right?

Clearly the better version of this story is one where 6 people are robbed in a park and the criminal gets away with it and continues terrorizing and threatening innocent people with no consequence.

 

[Cocaloch]

I know right??
OP is a fucking monster.

Who could possibly think it's a feel-good story when a criminal with a loaded gun goes to prey on innocent people playing Pokemon GO on their cell phones in a public park, has the tables turned on him, and gets some of his own medicine inflicted upon him, right?

Clearly the better version of this story is one where 6 people are robbed in a park and the criminal gets away with it and continues terrorizing and threatening innocent people with no consequence.

I'm not saying you're a monster; I'm saying you didn't really think this out fully. Also clearly no one was saying that second bit. Oh and you seem to again be ignoring the guy that was shot in his stomach.

 

[SwiftDeath]

I know right??
OP is a fucking monster.

Who could possibly think it's a feel-good story when a criminal with a loaded gun goes to prey on innocent people playing Pokemon GO on their cell phones in a public park, has the tables turned on him, and gets some of his own medicine inflicted upon him, right?

Clearly the better version of this story is one where 6 people are robbed in a park and the criminal gets away with it and continues terrorizing and threatening innocent people with no consequence.

Why do you keep leaving out the fact that one of the pokemon goers got shot in the stomach in the process?

That's not a small detail in determining if this is a "feel good" story

Further it's a large assumption to make that either you defend yourself and stop the robber in his tracks or NO CONSEQUENCES!

You were literally just adding to the potential narrative above stating that the robbers could've fully intended to murder everyone and wanted the goods first. Can we add to the narrative and say that at least one of the phones had a findme ability on it? That the cops would've taken armed robbery extremely seriously and the guy probably has a record? Why assume no consequences from complying with the robber and reporting them later?

 

[Nephtes]

I'm not saying you're a monster; I'm saying you didn't really think this out fully. Also clearly no one was saying that second bit. Oh and you seem to again be ignoring the guy that was shot in his stomach.

I feel bad for that guy, I do.
But I don't think it changes the fact that a scumbag criminal got what he deserved while preying on innocent people.

Or can feel-good stories not have anything bad in them?

The Shawshank Redemption isn't a feel-good story in the end when Andy Dufresne escapes prison after being wrongly convicted (ostensibly)? Was that not feel-good when he's finally free after all those years in jail and the evil warden gets what's coming to him after all the crime he committed?

Were not other people hurt along the way? Innocent people?

But Shawshank Redemption is still a feel-good story isn't it?

 

[DragonSworne]

I feel bad for that guy, I do.
But I don't think it changes the fact that a scumbag criminal got what he deserved while preying on innocent people.

Or can feel-good stories not have anything bad in them?

The Shawshank Redemption isn't a feel-good story in the end when Andy Dufresne escapes prison after being wrongly convicted (ostensibly)? Was that not feel-good when he's finally free after all those years in jail and the evil warden gets what's coming to him after all the crime he committed?

Were not other people hurt along the way? Innocent people?

But Shawshank Redemption is still a feel-good story isn't it?

A feel good story involving guns would be one where the United States passes sensible gun restriction or a ban.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

I wouldn't call Shawshank Redemption a feel good story, no.

 

[Cocaloch]

I feel bad for that guy, I do.
But I don't think it changes the fact that a scumbag criminal got what he deserved while preying on innocent people.

Or can feel-good stories not have anything bad in them?

The Shawshank Redemption isn't a feel-good story in the end when Andy Dufresne escapes prison after being wrongly convicted (ostensibly)? Was that not feel-good when he's finally free after all those years in jail and the evil warden gets what's coming to him after all the crime he committed?

Were not other people hurt along the way? Innocent people?

But Shawshank Redemption is still a feel-good story isn't it?

I think you really don't understand what a feel good story is. I think your confusing it with just any story you happen to like.

I wouldn't call Shawshank Redemption a feel good story, no.

I honestly think the OP may be the only person that would call it that.