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I consider myself liberal, yet, I support gun ownership. I also support stricter gun laws though.
I don't either.
I want to live in a world where no one wants to hurt anyone else.
But if the situation arises where someone wants to kill me and has the means to do it, I would like to have the ability to even the odds.
The gun was used to attempt to kill the robbers....
Bad guys lost, good guys won. Some people got hurt along the way. Peace was restored to the galaxy. Just like Star Wars. A feel good movie.
That's not murder.
Killing =/= murder
I feel good about it.
A story showing guns can be properly used for defense, not just murdering people (the narrative I tend to hear the most).
Sure it does. It's just depends on if the person will be punished for it. Not being punished doesn't make it not murder, at least in my book.
Murder has to be premeditated.
First Degree Murder
First degree murder is the most serious of all homicide charges, and applies to the intentional killing of a person after planning (or premeditation). It requires malice (evil intent) and forethought (planning). These cases are usually considered among the most heinous crimes and as such, the most severe punishments are reserved for them including life in prison or the death penalty.
Second Degree Murder
Second degree murder, on the other hand, usually applies to cases in which the killing may have been intentional but was not premeditated. These are often referred to as “crimes of passion.” A common example is the jealous husband that flies into a homicidal rage and kills his wife and her lover when he finds them in bed together.
Some states also consider grossly wanton and reckless behavior that results in the death of another to be second degree murder. This applies in situations where one's actions were so wanton and reckless that the death of another person was almost assured, even if the killing was not intentional.
Second degree murder is also very serious, and in most situations the defendant could face decades to life in prison, though the death sentence is not a possibility in these cases.
I think it's irresponsible to draw your gun when it is not just your life on the line, but that of your friends. I'd be pissed if a friend of mine almost got me shot even if saved my belongings. Things can be replaced, people can't.
That said, I'm glad it all worked out.
So if a guy with a gun pulls a gun on you and you have a gun on you but don't pull it because other people's lives are on the line too, and the gunman kills everyone, that's okay, because well at least you didn't endanger everyone with your gun?
Sure are a lot of people successfully drawing and shooting someone who already has a loaded weapon drawn and pointed at them as of late.
Does being an armed robber make you slow down by 5x or something?
What if aliens dropped from the sky and made us all turn into pudding BUT THEY WOULDN'T IF I PULLED MY GUN
(why would they murder us if they have their stuff, generally armed robbers aren't looking to murder)
Pokemon is a turn based game
Defender may have gotten ambushed but his speed stat was higher
(why would they rob us at gun point, people aren't generally looking to rob)
But you found yourself in that situation. Just like you can find yourself in the oh shit I'm dead situation.
If he wanted to kill you he wouldn't pull the gun and ask for your belongings. He'd just shoot you and then take your belongings.So if a guy with a gun pulls a gun on you and you have a gun on you but don't pull it because other people's lives are on the line too, and the gunman kills everyone, that's okay, because well at least you didn't endanger everyone with your gun?
Uh, thieves generally are out to rob people. And again, escalating the situation is a bad call when they have the drop on you.
If he wanted to kill you he wouldn't pull the gun and ask for your belongings. He'd just shoot you and then take your belongings.
(why would they murder us if they have their stuff, generally armed robbers aren't looking to murder)
Yeah, but they lived. If they didn't do what they did, you cannot say for sure that they would've. You can say they had a good chance to, but even then that's just assuming.
And, Uh, murderers tend to murder. Thieves and murderers are both people, and not labeled with a giant floating name tag above their head.
By all logic I have ever heard here is that the only use for guns is to kill people. If guy is pointing a gun at you, he intends to kill you. Otherwise, why bring a gun? Why not just nicely ask for your possessions.
Gun safety lesson 101: do not point a gun (loaded or unloaded) at someone or something you don't want to see dead or broken.
"Well it's okay guys, he just wanted to take things that belonged to other people while pointing a deadly weapon at them. Come on it's not worth getting worked up over having a death device pointed at your face while someone takes your belongings."
So why didn't they shoot right away? Why aren't we reading a story about six dead Pokemon Go players and the robbers that looted their corpses?
Oh that's right, because these were thieves, not murderers.
If he wanted to kill you he wouldn't pull the gun and ask for your belongings. He'd just shoot you and then take your belongings.
Yeah, but they lived. If they didn't do what they did, you cannot say for sure that they would've. You can say they had a good chance to, but even then that's just assuming.
And, Uh, murderers tend to murder. Thieves and murderers are both people, and not labeled with a giant floating name tag above their head.
I don't even know where you would obtain this information? Wouldn't it be easier to shoot someone and IMMEDIATELY run? Not shoot someone, dig through their pockets, and then run?
When guards were armed during a bank crime, injury rates soared for everyone in the bank. Civilian security guards have borne the worst of it: Sixty-four guards were hurt for every 1,000 incidents when armed, compared with less than 1 injury per 1,000 incidents when they were unarmed.
So why didn't they shoot right away? Why aren't we reading a story about six dead Pokemon Go players and the robbers that looted their corpses?
Oh that's right, because these were thieves, not murderers.
FWIW, I don't have NRA membership and fundamentally disagree with them that we don't need more gun control laws.
Because we do. The gun show loophole has got to go.
As an actual independent, not beholden to any established political party, I have awesome politics thanks very much.
God, I hope I'm never in a store being robbed with any of these posters acting as if it's better to try and attack an armed robber. These dudes have been watching Coming to America too much.
socially liberal/ fiscally conservative?
Yeah, the pro-shooters probably imagine the situation will go like this:No one is talking about hitting a thief or Samuel L. Jackson with a mop... Jeez.
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That is a simplification of my political stances I have used in an attempt to describe them before, yes.
Yeah, the pro-shooters probably imagine the situation will go like this:
Probably not a good idea to be wandering around a park in a bad part of town at 4 AM while staring at your phone.
Do we know what time it was at? The article in the OP just says 'early morning'. Could have been 6am or something when people are heading to work.
LAS VEGAS (KSNV News3LV)
A group of Pokemon Go players found themselves in the middle of gunfire at a Northeast park. Metro police say a robber got into a gun battle with another Pokemon Go player.
Chris Schussman rides his bike through Freedom Park looking for that unique Pokemon character.
"This is the Magikarp spot. It spawns mostly Magikarp," Schussman said.
Early this morning after 4 a.m. Freedom Park transformed into a crime scene. Metro detectives say a group of six Pokemon Go players was the target of an armed robber.
What?
Come on, man,
There are plenty of instances where the pathetic thief still kills the victims after robbing them for seeing their faces. Sometimes the victims have valuables well hidden or something.
You can't know what the fuck those assholes were thinking.
It was fucked up he put his friends lives at more of a risk for starting the shootout, but who the fuck wants to get robbed? That shit is corny. I feel no sympathy for the thief who is wounded.
I would be interested in knowing the rates of property crimes committed in the act of murder vs murders committed in the act of property crimes.
In other words: is it more likely for you to walk away from a robbery than for a corpse to not be subsequently looted?
So if a guy with a gun pulls a gun on you and you have a gun on you but don't pull it because other people's lives are on the line too, and the gunman kills everyone, that's okay, because well at least you didn't endanger everyone with your gun?
(why would they rob us at gun point, people aren't generally looking to rob)
But you found yourself in that situation. Just like you can find yourself in the oh shit I'm dead situation.
The fact that someone can consider this a feel good story shows how fucked up this country is
By all logic I have ever heard here is that the only use for guns is to kill people. If guy is pointing a gun at you, he intends to kill you. Otherwise, why bring a gun? Why not just nicely ask for your possessions.
Gun safety lesson 101: do not point a gun (loaded or unloaded) at someone or something you don't want to see dead or broken.
"Well it's okay guys, he just wanted to take things that belonged to other people while pointing a deadly weapon at them. Come on it's not worth getting worked up over having a death device pointed at your face while someone takes your belongings because REALLY he probably maybe won't kill you."
The fact that someone can consider this a feel good story shows how fucked up this country is
I mean I think that says more about the OP than the country.
I know right??
OP is a fucking monster.
Who could possibly think it's a feel-good story when a criminal with a loaded gun goes to prey on innocent people playing Pokemon GO on their cell phones in a public park, has the tables turned on him, and gets some of his own medicine inflicted upon him, right?
Clearly the better version of this story is one where 6 people are robbed in a park and the criminal gets away with it and continues terrorizing and threatening innocent people with no consequence.
I know right??
OP is a fucking monster.
Who could possibly think it's a feel-good story when a criminal with a loaded gun goes to prey on innocent people playing Pokemon GO on their cell phones in a public park, has the tables turned on him, and gets some of his own medicine inflicted upon him, right?
Clearly the better version of this story is one where 6 people are robbed in a park and the criminal gets away with it and continues terrorizing and threatening innocent people with no consequence.
I'm not saying you're a monster; I'm saying you didn't really think this out fully. Also clearly no one was saying that second bit. Oh and you seem to again be ignoring the guy that was shot in his stomach.
I feel bad for that guy, I do.
But I don't think it changes the fact that a scumbag criminal got what he deserved while preying on innocent people.
Or can feel-good stories not have anything bad in them?
The Shawshank Redemption isn't a feel-good story in the end when Andy Dufresne escapes prison after being wrongly convicted (ostensibly)? Was that not feel-good when he's finally free after all those years in jail and the evil warden gets what's coming to him after all the crime he committed?
Were not other people hurt along the way? Innocent people?
But Shawshank Redemption is still a feel-good story isn't it?
I feel bad for that guy, I do.
But I don't think it changes the fact that a scumbag criminal got what he deserved while preying on innocent people.
Or can feel-good stories not have anything bad in them?
The Shawshank Redemption isn't a feel-good story in the end when Andy Dufresne escapes prison after being wrongly convicted (ostensibly)? Was that not feel-good when he's finally free after all those years in jail and the evil warden gets what's coming to him after all the crime he committed?
Were not other people hurt along the way? Innocent people?
But Shawshank Redemption is still a feel-good story isn't it?
I wouldn't call Shawshank Redemption a feel good story, no.