A feel good story involving guns would be one where the United States passes sensible gun restriction or a ban.
I can only say so many times I'm in favor of sensible gun laws like ending the gun show loophole...
I'm not the NRA.
A feel good story involving guns would be one where the United States passes sensible gun restriction or a ban.
I feel bad for that guy, I do.
But I don't think it changes the fact that a scumbag criminal got what he deserved while preying on innocent people.
Or can feel-good stories not have anything bad in them?
The Shawshank Redemption isn't a feel-good story in the end when Andy Dufresne escapes prison after being wrongly convicted (ostensibly)? Was that not feel-good when he's finally free after all those years in jail and the evil warden gets what's coming to him after all the crime he committed?
Were not other people hurt along the way? Innocent people?
But Shawshank Redemption is still a feel-good story isn't it?
I wouldn't call Shawshank Redemption a feel good story, no.
I think you really don't understand what a feel good story is. I think your confusing it with just any story you happen to like.
I honestly think the OP may be the only person that would call it that.
I feel like I usually respect your points but this is some hot nonsense. If someone is mugging you there is generally no indication they plan on killing you. If someone runs up to me with a gun and says I'm going to kill you and your friends and I had a gun for some reason I would use it. If someone runs up to me and says hand over your stuff I wouldn't break out a weapon.
It's also possible that the butterfly effect would have caused lightning to strike the robber if they complied.I feel like I'm being misunderstood, or I'm not communicating clearly enough. I'm not advocating gun battles when people try to rob you. I'm disputing the point people are making that if these specific people, in this specific scenario, gave their belongings to the thief, they would have been better off. That's not a given. I would choose the outcome that actually occurred instead of going back and redoing it, without a gun, and giving the thief their belongings. Because as slim a chance as it may or may not be, it's possible that they could've ended up worse, or possibly less alive, than they are right now.
No its not. The referenced studies indicate resistance leads to lower injury rates.
Just handing over your wallet/phone is not the safest option.
http://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Resisting-Crime.pdf
Folks are delusional if they think a robbery is a simple song and dance..."Gimme your stuff!" "Ok, here", and that's that. Of course that happens, but I'd wager that an unsettling number of them result in (or even begin with) the victim getting shot, stabbed, slashed, sucker punched, etc.
But we all agree that the world shouldn't be that way, of course. Right?
It's also possible that the butterfly effect would have caused lightning to strike the robber if they complied.
Everyone lost given the result of this was a FUCKING SHOOTOUT
There's a lot life gambling assumptions in here. The fact is that they lived. After you know that they lived, it's dumb to put that scenario to the test again, assuming that handing the phone over leads to a better outcome, when the worst one is death.
It isn't a question of right and wrong, who are the "bad guys" and the "good guys". It's a question of prioritising your safety over your (oftentimes vengeful) sense of justice.Did not the robber already place all their lives in danger over replaceable goods?
Could not he have purchased his own cellphone for the purposes of capturing pokemon instead of buying a gun to threaten people with?
I still feel bad that everyone can run around with guns, like we all get a free pass until AFTER someone's life gets taken, so people can playout their gun fantasies. Just great, but I guess my opinion doesn't hold a lot of power in this country.I feel good about it.
A story showing guns can be properly used for defense, not just murdering people (the narrative I tend to hear the most).
This guy instead of complying decided to risk the life of himself and everyone around him trying to go Chuck Norris. No, I would not wanna be around a person with a concealed gun permit to protect me against robbers unless they're fucking Simo Häyhä incarnated.
Tha fuck? I'm feeling to walk a long distance!Instinct would run away.
Sounds more like team instinct
Did you read the paper? Kleck's own Table 5 and Table 7 both showed that threatening your attacker with a "non-gun weapon" led to lower injury coefficients than using a gun. Moreover, no single "resistance" action was more effective in preventing injury than simply "ran away, hid" which was one of the answerable choices.No its not. The referenced studies indicate resistance leads to lower injury rates.
Just handing over your wallet/phone is not the safest option.
http://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Resisting-Crime.pdf
Most robberies are non-violent. If you are being robbed by an armed criminal, you can either comply or fights. The probability that you will lose the fight and be harmed/killed is much higher than the probability that the criminal will harm you after you comply.Folks are delusional if they think a robbery is a simple song and dance..."Gimme your stuff!" "Ok, here", and that's that. Of course that happens, but I'd wager that an unsettling number of them result in (or even begin with) the victim getting shot, stabbed, slashed, sucker punched, etc.
But we all agree that the world shouldn't be that way, of course. Right?
Most robberies are non-violent. If you are being robbed by an armed criminal, you can either comply or fights. The probability that you will lose the fight and be harmed/killed is much higher than the probability that the criminal will harm you after you comply.
Isn't the right to protect yourself one of the major arguments for having legalised guns in the first place? What is the point of having a concealed weapon if you you're unwilling to shoot somebody whose trying to rob you?
Isn't the right to protect yourself one of the major arguments for having legalised guns in the first place? What is the point of having a concealed weapon if you you're unwilling to shoot somebody whose trying to rob you?
Isn't the right to protect yourself one of the major arguments for having legalised guns in the first place? What is the point of having a concealed weapon if you you're unwilling to shoot somebody whose trying to rob you?
Sounds like Team Valor.
He's still a hero to me dammitWhat you've neglected to put in the OP is that one of the non-aggressors was struck in the stomach by a bullet.
Idiot gun owner put everyone in danger.
Instead of losing a $300 phone, now has ~10k hospital bill.
There's a lot life gambling assumptions in here. The fact is that they lived. After you know that they lived, it's dumb to put that scenario to the test again, assuming that handing the phone over leads to a better outcome, when the worst one is death.
Pathetic agenda-push by O.P.
http://kotaku.com/pokemon-go-robbery-ends-with-two-men-shot-1784299062
I didn't see this topic posted yet, so lock if old.
Felt it was worthy of discussion since all the shooting stories recently have been very depressing.
No one died here and the "bad guys" lost. So, feel good story right?
I'm about to be told I'm very wrong.
I don't get what Pokemon Go has to do with the story.
If I had to defend myself then I don't give a fuck about the opponent's safety, to be honest. And given the situation in Europe right now you bet your ass I'd feel a lot safer with a gun. I expect support for gun ownership will rise amongst Europeans now.
Given that America has so many gun murders I'd say we're okay, thanks. Not to mention the fact it makes your police trigger happy becauseIf I had to defend myself then I don't give a fuck about the opponent's safety, to be honest. And given the situation in Europe right now you bet your ass I'd feel a lot safer with a gun. I expect support for gun ownership will rise amongst Europeans now.
This is a terrible story. If I'm one of those six I want everyone to cooperate and be done with it, not start a shootout where I might get shot.