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Nintendo NX rumored to use Nvidia's Pascal GPU architecture
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LordOfChaos
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Yeah, I mean, it may not stack up to the big boy VR, but since they already have a screen with powerful processors and sensors using it like that could be a very low cost entry point to VR for many people, and still miles above Cardboard/GearVR. Especially with the detachable controllers! That may just work out...Pascal is also well suited to VR and takes much less of a performance hit from it with SMP/SMS and lens matching.
They later said it was delayed to incorporate upcoming technology, and then these rumors started popping up...
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/167601-Nintendo-NX-Delayed-to-Add-VR
Companies are allowed to change. A powerful portable unit combined with a base station could make for a fairly inexpensive but decent quality VR experience. Just hope the PPI is decent on the screen, it's very grainy on my 750p iPhone 6S on Cardboard as the resolution is halved per eye. Looks like sitting in front of a 90s CRT SDTV.
I think they could pull off decent AR from a tech point of view but I've never seen anyone make AR engaging for more than a few minutes. Of course, if anyone is going to find the fun in it it will be Nintendo.
Can we stop posting Digitimes rumors please? They're just covering their asses for their report from last year about NX starting production in early 2016. Nothing they say should be taken seriously.
This is all obviously my opinion, but really, it seems clear to me that it's clickbait site that looks professional.
My point was that a handheld, non-HMD, VR-like experience could be provided using gyroscope+eye/head/body tracking.
DXB-KNIGHT
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I honestly don't think Nintendo is going to jump on the VR bandwagon yet even if the capabilities is still there,
Remember the 3D in GameCube
and the 2 Wii U pads possibility,
It was there but wasn't done.
Remember the 3D in GameCube
and the 2 Wii U pads possibility,
It was there but wasn't done.
Aren't most XB1 games 900p already?
Schnozberry
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I can't see Nvidia porting the VRWorks SDK to NX, but stranger things have happened.
Accepted, and I acknowledge that my previous comments were hyperbolic.
I'm only mentioning those things. I'm not giving an opinion one way or the other.
My dream is Nvidia Gamestream functionality.
Has NintendOS been announced yet?
Let that be a lesson, mate.
Nice name.
Fourth Storm
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The demise of cargo shorts could not have come at a worse time.
My nexus 6p is useless in any pockets except denim jeans and cargo shorts. Track pants and basketball shorts am cry.
Games4Days00
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It doesn't seem VR would really fit with their approach at this stage.
3 SM cores are extremely unlikely. Increase the cost significantly and in a handheld form factor you can't use that many watts so you wouldn't be much faster than 2 SM cores anyway. The shield use top line cooling and is decently big. Increasing wattage over that seems incredibly unrealistic. I expect half that total Wattage, knowing Nintendo.
Fourth Storm
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Refreshment.01
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i discussed the VR angle in the other thread and it was quickly shut down by the guys in there, What's the new rumor about?
Anyway, i digress in the aspect about power. Mobile VR has quite varied and interesting gaming experiences beyond just watching panoramas and videos. And it seems the graphic capabilty of this device is beyond that.
Also there doesn't need to be stuff like Eye Tracking or all that sensors to have something competitive with Mobile in terms of VR. Also some of the features in the Eurogamer rumor of NX would fit rather nicely with VR.
The biggest obstacle im seing for this is the inclusion of the HD screen.
blu
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I know this will sound ultra silly, but I've dreamt about nx being an *R console. The weird thing is, I'm consciously open to the thought it could be an AR-centric console, but in my dream it was more of a VR console. Go figure.
ps: for the record, I'm not a VR proponent - I think the tech is way too much of an infant at this stage.
ps: for the record, I'm not a VR proponent - I think the tech is way too much of an infant at this stage.
Skittzo0413
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I doubt we'd be seeing VR as we currently know it, because I doubt the base NX would come with a 1080p screen and many here have stated that VR does not work well with 720p resolution or below. Or maybe it depends more on the PPI on the screen. I don't know, but it just seems a bit out of reach for the price tag Nintendo is looking at right now.
However I wouldn't be at all surprised to see some AR features that could be somewhat similar to VR features, like those described in that "window into the screen" patent, or something utilizing eye tracking sensors. It could be possible to have VR-like (or VR-lite) experiences with this device, but as of now it's just speculation based on that Gameblog rumor (which many people cite as being very untrustworthy).
Nintendo wouldn't want to make people sick, so they need to comply with the standards. It must render at least 1080p at least at 45 fps (assuming some kind of reprojection to 90 fps) in handheld mode. It would set your brain on fire. Literally.
Refreshment.01
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i don't know if you read in the other thread, i eas talking about various things in relation to thi subject. One of them was that what might prevent the inclusion of a 1080P HD screen for VR is not mainly cost related and it has to do more with hardware and the IQ of games when upscaling in handheld mode. And to be clear not for VR but for "normal" play of the more demanding games since they would need either to target 1080P or been upscaled.
On the other hand, last time i checked, eye tracking solutions are massmarket friendly now sure, but they still would eat a significant chunk of the 250 target. To better explain myself, it would be cheaper to include an HD screen than the eye tracking solutions i saw.
This doesn't disapproves the point. Nintendo can still include VR as a complementary feature of the NX.
The point is not about them making the latest Zelda epic VR only, just experiences that make sense in the platform. Mobile VR is at a point right now that works rather well even in the low end hardware of the smart phones. Nintendo would provide similar eperiences but with their design might behind it.
Prevolition
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Schnozberry
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Fourth Storm
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I actually did a little detective work on PixArt after the rumors that they were again partnering w/ Nintendo for NX and it turns out they were working closely w/ Google on Glass. I don't think there's anything to see there, but you never know. The "Multiple Object Tracking Sensor" is what's used for Wii's IR pointer.
These are brave new times with Nintendo investing in Niantic though.
Schnozberry
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PixArt makes everything from object tracking tech to CMOS Heart Rate Monitors. Vitality sensor here we come!
Refreshment.01
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Saying that Nintendo will emphatice AR is not a revelation nor a prediction, is a fact. They did it with the 3DS even since launch and the existence and success of Pokemon GO speaks for itself.
The AR talk would be interesting if the company had some breakthroug technology or implementation that could be used in NX. Or at least some rumors about it. That's why even with the slimmest probability of happening talking about NX VR sounds more appealing to me.
LordOfChaos
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That's a fair concern. On a small 4.7 inch phone like the 6S, at 750P, Google Cardboard is utterly fuzzy to me, like sitting right in front of an SDTV.
So the NX is "higher than 480p", but I'm assuming a larger screen than the 6S, so to make things decent the resolution would have to be much higher as well.
Maybe not so feasible, unless the VR part was more of a Cardboard-ey afterthought. Or "higher than 480P" is much higher than we thunk.
Fourth Storm
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True, I like what I'm hearing lately. Seems like Nintendo are making quite a few decisions which don't line up with their usual way of thought.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they were still involved somehow. If Nintendo could make a vitality sensor that doesn't require you to actually stick your finger in something, it could work. PixArt do offer a green LED type sensor for pulse oximeters, which is apparently better than red LED.
Skittzo0413
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I thought the major issue with a 1080p screen on a portable is more about the processing power required and the battery life than the cost of the screen itself. The processing power issue could be solved by running all games downscaled to 720p or 540p when in "portable mode" (if such a thing exists) but the screen still eats through a lot more power than a 540p screen would.
Also as far as eye tracking goes, wouldn't they simply use their proprietary technology that was present in the new 3DS? Or, rather, an improved version of that? It's my understanding that the only hardware required for eye tracking is a decent camera and a decent processor capable of running the eye tracking software, though I could be very wrong. That shouldn't be very expensive for them to implement their own proprietary solution, no?
It's not a fact because it hasn't been confirmed by anyone. That's like saying that 3D is a sure thing for NX.
Refreshment.01
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The 3DS doesn't have eye tracking.
That Nintendo is interested in AR and that they have support it in the past is the fact here.
What does your heart tell you about AR in the NX? Here, let's bet a 100 dollars paypal about the NX porspect of supporting or not Augmented Reality. i say it will be capable.
Do we have a bet?
The NX has to have something special - every single Nintendo console has had one since forever. Two screens, 3D with no glasses, motion controls, display on the tablet, etc.
Leap Motion style hand tracking is pretty cool and already proven out technically. And it's not being done by any of the other consoles or by the VR headsets right now. For awhile I've thought this makes sense as the NX special thing. It's probably pretty cheap as a couple of cameras and LEDs. And it's something you have to have close to you, like within 3 or 4 feet, which aligns just fine with a portable system.
James Scott
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Not sure if the best example. It looks kind of bad on my IPhone 6+
Form Factor will be the inevitable determination of what is and isn't possible. So many assumptions being made based on what Nintendo has done with 3DS etc. Its flawed to try and base NX on what's been done before. Battery life is important to Nintendo and that certainly will not change.
However Hardware and how it is presented certainly can and Nintendo even suggested as much that a simplification of architectures etc. can allow them to do more with form factors.
People constantly talk about how they always see kids etc. on their Tablets playing games, watching movies etc. What that reveals is the acceptance of larger devices that are still considered portables. The days of needing a portable device to be as tightly compact as possible are over.
However Hardware and how it is presented certainly can and Nintendo even suggested as much that a simplification of architectures etc. can allow them to do more with form factors.
People constantly talk about how they always see kids etc. on their Tablets playing games, watching movies etc. What that reveals is the acceptance of larger devices that are still considered portables. The days of needing a portable device to be as tightly compact as possible are over.
Shouldn't it be possible to get more out of a dedicated gaming device on the same hw though? an iPhone has an entire OS to run. How does the 6+'s hardware compare to the X1?
Those are nice, but provide an ~30-40% performance uplift for VR when they are working well. That's not really going to fundamentally change the equation for NX.
(I still think the screen will be the primary bottleneck to any real VR application of the device)
KratosEnergyDrink
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New3DS has, used for the 3D screen.
That's not even a parenthesis, Nintendo's pretty much infamous for poopy screens on their portables, I don't expect the NX to be any different in that regard to be honest. I can't wait for the "Does anyone else have a yellow tint on their NX screen" thread where it's revealed there are some TFT screens in circulation still.
Refreshment.01
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The New 3DS doesn't have eye tracking, it has eye recogniton. Difrent things.
A shame an autostereospic screen have little possibilities of returning, the 3D effect got so good in the New 3DS that is the default way to play, to the point that looking at a 2D screen gives the impression something is amiss.
Yes. http://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/01/the-gamecube-and-the-game-boy-advance-were-3d-compatible/
And IIRC, Luigi's Mansion supports it but was never enabled outside of development because 3D televisions weren't widespread. Gamecube also has a true digital signal too that people have only just now cracked to turn that port into an HDMI out. I imagine had the Gamecube been around a little longer, Nintendo could have provided their own HDMI cables.
NX can run that easily.
Related thought: I wonder which version of DQXI NX will get: An up-port of the 3DS version, or a down-port of the PS4 version? I think that the PS4 version makes a lot of sense, considering that this is a game primarily targeted at Japan so I'd think that SE would want a somewhat larger userbase than just the PS4's in Japan for a game of that size. Somehow, I think it'll still end up being the 3DS version though even though that has a huge userbase to sell to in Japan.
But compared to mobile VR?
I'm not of the opinion that VR will happen; I'm just stating related facts.
I can't imagine it being the 3DS version because that version is totally dependent on two screens and that doesn't look like the direction the NX is going.
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I'm guessing PS4 version. With the 3DS version, it would lose the gimmick of the two screens. Plus, if the portable really does match or exceed Wii U, I would think the 3DS version would just be very unimpressive compared to everything else on the platform. A toned down version of the PS4 game, from what I can see, seems like it would work.
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