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[LordOfChaos]

Usually it's the reverse before final hardware comes in. At this point prelaunch 360 devkits were still using G5s.

I think you'd be surprised... This is technically the 1 PPU on the PS3, and so it's not using the SPEs that were most of the PS3s CPU power, but it's very similar to the XBOs 3 cores.

bzip2 Compress (multi-threaded scalar)
PlayStation 3 - 124.1
Power Mac G5 - 168.4
Xeon 5160 - 1194.4

bzip2 Decompress (multi-threaded scalar)
PlayStation 3 - 99.5
Power Mac G5 - 133.1
Xeon 5160 - 1353.3

JPEG Compress (multi-threaded scalar)
PlayStation 3 - 94.8
Power Mac G5 - 103.0
Xeon 5160 - 877.6

JPEG Decompress (multi-threaded scalar)
PlayStation 3 - 72.9
Power Mac G5 - 119.2
Xeon 5160 - 788.9

A full on G5 had a lot higher IPC than either the Cell or Xenon, which were quite narrow and in order designs. A dual core G5 would have compared very favorably to the tri core Xenon, though would have taken more die size and power. The PowerPC 970 FX fetches up to 8 instructions per cycle from the L1 and can decode at the same rate of 8 instructions per cycle, the Xenon was what, 2-issue?

 

[TwilightPrincess]

If they see demand it would be so cheap for them. Take the nx handheld, remove the screen and battery, and bundle a Nx controller.

I would hope, that they beef it up for a console, not only make a "Vita TV" if the handheld already can do this. Then they would have to develop for two configurations, but i think that wouldn´t be much of a problem.

 

[Starchasing]

so its gonna be a handheld with a hmdi port, who had thought

oh i have

its gonna be this

leap motion video

http://youtu.be/_d6KuiuteIA

It’s a nice bit of kit, a bit of a novelty, but a good one,” said one exec that has got hands on with the machine. “It won’t appeal to PS4 fans. Nintendo seems set on trying to upgrade smartphone gamers. That’s going to be a big job for the marketing department.”

 

[10k]

Well my disappointment was about power too (if my sources are true) since you can't have a PS4 or XB1 on a HH device as you can guess. Obviously for a HH is a good power but very far for a home console. But I repeat if the sources are true since everything is not set in stone.

In fact I didn't heard anything about different modes (i mean that when docked anything changes). So for a home console I see that power (if true) a great disappointment.

But I understand that for Nintendo it's the best scenario since they are unable to maintain 2 consoles at the same time when they changed to HD development as we saw with 3ds/Wiiu.

What's the point of a docked mode when you got a home console 😏

 

[Fourth Storm]

Well my disappointment was about power too (if my sources are true) since you can't have a PS4 or XB1 on a HH device as you can guess. Obviously for a HH is a good power but very far for a home console. But I repeat if the sources are true since everything is not set in stone.

In fact I didn't heard anything about different modes (i mean that when docked anything changes). So for a home console I see that power (if true) a great disappointment.

But I understand that for Nintendo it's the best scenario since they are unable to maintain 2 consoles at the same time when they changed to HD development as we saw with 3ds/Wiiu.

...but not surprising, if true.

 

[Starchasing]

What's the point of a docked mode when you got a home console 😏

Nintendo games.

 

[DeuceGamer]

Well my disappointment was about power too (if my sources are true) since you can't have a PS4 or XB1 on a HH device as you can guess. Obviously for a HH is a good power but very far for a home console. But I repeat if the sources are true since everything is not set in stone.

In fact I didn't heard anything about different modes (i mean that when docked anything changes). So for a home console I see that power (if true) a great disappointment.

But I understand that for Nintendo it's the best scenario since they are unable to maintain 2 consoles at the same time when they changed to HD development as we saw with 3ds/Wiiu.

I'm assuming it would at least have to reach Wii U levels to receive ports like Zelda BOTW. Will it be more, less, or basically the same as Wii U in terms of power?

I'm still excited regardless as it will have the full might of Nintendo's development teams behind it, but I'm sure the majority of the people would be quite disappointed if it's not at least equivalent to Wii U.

 

[Mpl90]

...but not surprising, if true.

To be honest, even if lherre didn't hear about it (...I hope to not eat crow again, given how it went the last time ), I suppose it's fair to assume the dock can allow the handheld to go at even slightly higher clocks, since it wouldn't be limited by battery alone. IIRC, this is something that other devices on the market do already, correct me if I'm wrong. Also, Pascal would help in getting the same results (maybe a bit better? Not enough infos on Pascal though, I suppose) with less power draw, which is perfect for Nintendo's choice of the hybrid. I mean, no dock hiding eGPU / RAM / whatever involved.

Also, we still have to remember how rumours like "around Xbox One power", Emily Rogers' way of including Xbox One in the comparison ("it may be stretching it, but apples to oranges due to different architectures) and OsirisBlack's post about "easy PS4/One ports" are yet to be deconfirmed so far, plus "X1 overclocked and vented"; those could hint at specific power ranges for the platform itself.

 

[10k]

To be honest, even if lherre didn't hear about it (...I hope to not eat crow again, given how it went the last time ), I suppose it's fair to assume the dock can allow the handheld to go at even slightly higher clocks, since it wouldn't be limited by battery alone. IIRC, this is something that other devices on the market do already, correct me if I'm wrong. Also, Pascal would help in getting the same results (maybe a bit better? Not enough infos on Pascal though, I suppose) with less power draw, which is perfect for Nintendo's choice of the hybrid. I mean, no dock hiding eGPU / RAM / whatever involved.

Also, we still have to remember how rumours like "around Xbox One power", Emily Rogers' way of including Xbox One in the comparison ("it may be stretching it, but apples to oranges due to different architectures) and OsirisBlack's post about "easy PS4/One ports" are yet to be deconfirmed so far, plus "X1 overclocked and vented"; those could hint at specific power ranges for the platform itself.

Iherre and OsirisBlack info contradicts each other. One says it can't run the AAA multiplatform games, the other says it can.

I'm still of the belief there's a home console and handheld.

 

[Instro]

Well my disappointment was about power too (if my sources are true) since you can't have a PS4 or XB1 on a HH device as you can guess. Obviously for a HH is a good power but very far for a home console. But I repeat if the sources are true since everything is not set in stone.

In fact I didn't heard anything about different modes (i mean that when docked anything changes). So for a home console I see that power (if true) a great disappointment.

But I understand that for Nintendo it's the best scenario since they are unable to maintain 2 consoles at the same time when they changed to HD development as we saw with 3ds/Wiiu.

Yeah well everything on that end is hopeful thinking right now. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if it doesn't. Very Nintendo-esque.

 

[Skittzo0413]

Iherre and OsirisBlack info contradicts each other. One says it can't run the AAA multiplatform games, the other says it can.

I'm still of the belief there's a home console and handheld.

When did Iherre say this? From what we've heard, even a downclocked NX handheld should easily be capable of running engines like UE4, so ports are certainly not out of the question, especially if we have a 540p screen.

 

[MuchoMalo]

To be honest, even if lherre didn't hear about it (...I hope to not eat crow again, given how it went the last time ), I suppose it's fair to assume the dock can allow the handheld to go at even slightly higher clocks, since it wouldn't be limited by battery alone. IIRC, this is something that other devices on the market do already, correct me if I'm wrong. Also, Pascal would help in getting the same results (maybe a bit better? Not enough infos on Pascal though, I suppose) with less power draw, which is perfect for Nintendo's choice of the hybrid. I mean, no dock hiding eGPU / RAM / whatever involved.

Also, we still have to remember how rumours like "around Xbox One power", Emily Rogers' way of including Xbox One in the comparison ("it may be stretching it, but apples to oranges due to different architectures) and OsirisBlack's post about "easy PS4/One ports" are yet to be deconfirmed so far, plus "X1 overclocked and vented"; those could hint at specific power ranges for the platform itself.

Emily was saying that it's weaker than Xbone in a roundabout way. You're putting words into her mouth if you say anything else, especially since the architeture part was about the CPU and she really just seemed to be making a guess about the future.

 

[Aostia]

No i'm not happy because i'm paying more for a product that's worse. If they just made a portable with a HDMI out it would've had the same power but way better ergonomicity and cheaper. And you could get a home console with good controllers for significantly less, with the same spec as the portable. Both using the cart, both using the same games and lineup.

This...make no sense to me. Probably my fault

 

[GhostTrick]

...but not surprising, if true.

Worse case scenario happening again ? :")

 

[10k]

...but not surprising, if true.

This is karma for thinking I'm a fanny pack kind of guy

 

[LordOfChaos]

Iherre and OsirisBlack info contradicts each other. One says it can't run the AAA multiplatform games, the other says it can.

I'm still of the belief there's a home console and handheld.

I don't see that they did, OB said it can run AAA engines, Iherre simply said we obviously can't expect a PS4 in a handheld form factor yet. Running an engine itself isn't running all the visual confetti in a PS4 version of a game.


Sounds like there's no special sauce in the dock then for an eGPU or the like. Letdown, but depending on the pricing a X1-ish powered handheld is still interesting.

So basically we're looking at...

Can output to a TV, but doesn't go Kaio-ken when doing it, pretty much stays the same.


...Actually, if they go with the "family" of products approach instead of the "hybrid" approach and there's still a more powerful stationary coming that shares software, it very much seems like Nvidia's Shield line customized and rebranded to Nintendo.

 

[TunaLover]

Well my disappointment was about power too (if my sources are true) since you can't have a PS4 or XB1 on a HH device as you can guess. Obviously for a HH is a good power but very far for a home console. But I repeat if the sources are true since everything is not set in stone.

In fact I didn't heard anything about different modes (i mean that when docked anything changes). So for a home console I see that power (if true) a great disappointment.

But I understand that for Nintendo it's the best scenario since they are unable to maintain 2 consoles at the same time when they changed to HD development as we saw with 3ds/Wiiu.

Well, NX

Spoiler

dock

had a good run.
It doesn't sound like a hybrid, just a handheld with HDMI output.

 

[GhostTrick]

I don't see that they did, OB said it can run AAA engines, Iherre simply said we obviously can't expect a PS4 in a handheld form factor yet. Running an engine itself isn't running all the visual confetti in a PS4 version of a game.


Sounds like there's no special sauce in the dock then for an eGPU or the like. Letdown, but depending on the pricing a X1-ish powered handheld is still interesting.

So basically we're looking at...

Can output to a TV, but doesn't go Kaio-ken when doing it, pretty much stays the same.

Then again, it's not about secret sauce. X1 is capable of running at 850Mhz fanless.
Shield Portable ran at full clock of the chip.
Here we're talking about a bigger chip that would run on lower clocks on purpose and then run on normal clocks when dock.
It's not about getting kaioken, it's more like Goku hiding power level :")

 

[Father_Brain]

Well, NX

Spoiler

dock

had a good run.
It doesn't sound like a hybrid, just a handheld with HDMI output.

If it's intended to replace Wii U as well as 3DS, has HDMI-out, and supports local multiplayer on a single unit, I consider it a hybrid regardless of whether the dock provides any performance boost.

But it's really just a semantic debate, so whatevs.

 

[Oregano]

If it's intended to replace Wii U as well as 3DS, has HDMI-out, and supports local multiplayer on a single unit, I consider it a hybrid regardless of whether the dock provides any performance boost.

But it's really just a semantic debate, so whatevs.

I'm agreed there. That said if there's no higher resolution mode for TV I would actually expect them to go for a 720p screen.

It's important to keep in mind that it has to be a screen res that is good for playing Pikmin 4.

 

[TwilightPrincess]

I don't see that they did, OB said it can run AAA engines, Iherre simply said we obviously can't expect a PS4 in a handheld form factor yet. Running an engine itself isn't running all the visual confetti in a PS4 version of a game.

If i remember correctly, OsirisBlack said that Devs shouldn´t have trouble porting Xbox1PS4 Games to NX. So it should have some beef at least...if that´s true.

 

[Dark Cloud]

So, has any one of these websites, journalists, sources reported a dock or some type of SCD that's used to boost the power of the NX when connected to the tv?

 

[LordOfChaos]

If i remember correctly, OsirisBlack said that Devs shouldn´t have trouble porting Xbox1PS4 Games to NX. So it should have some beef at least...if that´s true.

And I still believe that without any secret dock stuff, the X1 has a highly modern CPU and a highly modern GPU, it's a matter of scale more than capability, and even being a mobile chip it's closer to it's console contemporaries than anything since the Gamecube. The Neo and Scorpio create a familiar power spread from it, but this time the base consoles are staying around.

Furthermore Nintendo reportedly has been investing in much better dev tools and middleware.

 

[darkness_s]

Worse case scenario happening again ? :")

Nah, last time it turned out worse than anyone's worse-case scenario.

 

[MuchoMalo]

Worse case scenario happening again ? :")

More like medium case until we confirm exact specs. It can still be 2-5x as powerful as Wii U. You can't celebrate being right until we see that 1 SM @200MHz you're predicting.

 

[AlStrong]

In fact I didn't heard anything about different modes (i mean that when docked anything changes). So for a home console I see that power (if true) a great disappointment.

But I understand that for Nintendo it's the best scenario since they are unable to maintain 2 consoles at the same time when they changed to HD development as we saw with 3ds/Wiiu.

Is this even its final form. >

 

[Fourth Storm]

To be honest, even if lherre didn't hear about it (...I hope to not eat crow again, given how it went the last time ), I suppose it's fair to assume the dock can allow the handheld to go at even slightly higher clocks, since it wouldn't be limited by battery alone. IIRC, this is something that other devices on the market do already, correct me if I'm wrong. Also, Pascal would help in getting the same results (maybe a bit better? Not enough infos on Pascal though, I suppose) with less power draw, which is perfect for Nintendo's choice of the hybrid. I mean, no dock hiding eGPU / RAM / whatever involved.

Also, we still have to remember how rumours like "around Xbox One power", Emily Rogers' way of including Xbox One in the comparison ("it may be stretching it, but apples to oranges due to different architectures) and OsirisBlack's post about "easy PS4/One ports" are yet to be deconfirmed so far, plus "X1 overclocked and vented"; those could hint at specific power ranges for the platform itself.

Emily seemed to imply later that it wasn't really close to Xbone, though. Either way, better than Wii U in a handheld still sounds good. They worked miracles with the Wii hardware, but I think most people here would be lying if they said they weren't wishing for a bit more. Prayin' for Pascal.

Worse case scenario happening again ? :")

Iirc, your worst case scenario was a 64 gflop handheld, so I don't think we're quite there yet.

This is karma for thinking I'm a fanny pack kind of guy

Well then, I'm glad I didn't go with my original yoga pants joke.

 

[Father_Brain]

If i remember correctly, OsirisBlack said that Devs shouldn´t have trouble porting Xbox1PS4 Games to NX. So it should have some beef at least...if that´s true.

While OB seems to be credible and presumably wasn't making stuff up, that needs to be taken with a grain of salt without knowing his specific basis for that assertion. Had he heard about specific technically demanding PS4/XB1 games being ported directly to NX and running well on it, or was he just extrapolating from what he'd heard about Unity/Unreal performance or the quality of the NX toolchain?

 

[MuchoMalo]

Emily seemed to imply later that it wasn't really close to Xbone, though. Either way, better than Wii U in a handheld still sounds good. They worked miracles with the Wii hardware, but I think most people here would be lying if they said they weren't wishing for a bit more. Prayin' for Pascal.


Iirc, your worst case scenario was a 64 gflop handheld, so I don't think we're quite there yet.


Well then, I'm glad I didn't go with my original yoga pants joke.

Actually, his worst case was 52 GFLOPS.

 

[Akki]

Emily was saying that it's weaker than Xbone in a roundabout way. You're putting words into her mouth if you say anything else, especially since the architeture part was about the CPU and she really just seemed to be making a guess about the future.

She also said the NX is going to blow the Wii U away. I don´t think a 256 GFLOPS handheld is far better than a Wii U.

 

[G.ZZZ]

This...make no sense to me. Probably my fault

What does not make sense? You're getting an handheld that to appease to the crowd of "local multiplayer" is coming with 2 detachable controllers which can't possibly be as ergonomic as just normal designed controllers, and probably a huge screen. Plus a dock that is essentially a HDMI cable but more plastic because why not, and use the controllers separately. Now imagine a simple handheld a-la 3DS, with ergonomicity and usable size, and a home console with same architecture but a bit more power, cheaper (cause no screens etc...) and an ergonomic controller.

Instead you get a hugeass handheld, two shitty controllers designed not for ergonomicity but to be attachable to a screen at the sides. All for increased costs over any single option, and with no actual benefit aside from local multiplayer not on your home screen. Which i will use exactly 0 times.

 

[Clessidor]

She also said the NX is going to blow the Wii U away. I don´t think a 256 GFLOPS handheld is far better than a Wii U.

Depends on how to define "to blow away". It could be she only meant that because NX is a smaller portable device which can do the same job, is why it blows the Wii U away.

 

[Dark Cloud]

What's the innovation of the NX? Why is Nintendo hiding a system that's a handheld and it can plug into a tv?

Since we looks at Eurogamer and MCV as 100% (even though they don't agree with each other), then all they both say really is it's a handheld that plugs to a tv. There's nothing about boosting power. You would surely think their sources would know of such a big thing like that? There is no innovation here.

 

[Father_Brain]

What's the innovation of the NX? Why is Nintendo hiding a system that's a handheld and it can plug into a tv?

Since we looks at Eurogamer and MCV as 100% (even though they don't agree with each other), then all they both say really is it's a handheld that plugs to a tv. There's nothing about boosting power. You would surely think their sources would know of such a big thing like that? There is no innovation here.

No company has ever exaggerated the uniqueness of their own product before!

 

[MuchoMalo]

She also said the NX is going to blow the Wii U away. I don´t think a 256 GFLOPS handheld is far better than a Wii U.

That's entirely subjective. Some people even think that the PS4 blows the Xbone away.

 

[Eolz]

Well my disappointment was about power too (if my sources are true) since you can't have a PS4 or XB1 on a HH device as you can guess. Obviously for a HH is a good power but very far for a home console. But I repeat if the sources are true since everything is not set in stone.

In fact I didn't heard anything about different modes (i mean that when docked anything changes). So for a home console I see that power (if true) a great disappointment.

But I understand that for Nintendo it's the best scenario since they are unable to maintain 2 consoles at the same time when they changed to HD development as we saw with 3ds/Wiiu.

Told it. So, so shitty to force a glorified vita tv (with modern hardware) on everyone.
Glad we're getting the best handheld ever, but I really consider Nintendo exiting the console market for a gen with this.
So sad.

 

[TunaLover]

No company has ever exaggerated the uniqueness of their own product before!

The way Nintendo freaking out about the possibility Sony/MS copying a concept that isn't new is absurd though.

 

[MuchoMalo]

Told it. So, so shitty to force a glorified vita tv (with modern hardware) on everyone.
Glad we're getting the best handheld ever, but I really consider Nintendo exiting the console market for a gen with this.
So sad.

I consider it them leaving the console market permanently.

 

[10k]

Well then, I'm glad I didn't go with my original yoga pants joke.

They would have made my ass look so good.

She also said the NX is going to blow the Wii U away. I don´t think a 256 GFLOPS handheld is far better than a Wii U.

She said nx would blow Wii U away in software output.

 

[Russ T]

i see we've gone full doom now

 

[Eolz]

I consider it them leaving the console market permanently.

I'm saying "a gen" in the hopes for them they change their minds (either huge failure, or market changes). They could come up with a true hybrid next time.
Not just an handheld with tv out.

Edit:

i see we've gone full doom now

I've been like this since the eurogamer post tbh. Never sounded like a true hybrid, always like an handheld before anything else.
At least they still have the third pillar excuse if it fails, and can do some quick ps4/x1 clone if needed if their NX OS and engines are well designed...

 

[10k]

Told it. So, so shitty to force a glorified vita tv (with modern hardware) on everyone.
Glad we're getting the best handheld ever, but I really consider Nintendo exiting the console market for a gen with this.
So sad.

I consider it them leaving the console market permanently.

Sad times for the Nintendo console gamers like me.

RIP Nintendo home consoles 1983-2017

 

[Ulysses 31]

RIP Nintendo home consoles 1983-2016

Should be 1983-2017 since Zelda BotW Wii U releases next year and likely we'll see a Zelda+Wii U bundle too.

 

[Kimawolf]

i see we've gone full doom now

You knew it'd happen. You never go full doom people.

But seriously, folks need to relax a bit. The NX will be fine. Just my opinion though.

 

[Dreamwriter]

Told it. So, so shitty to force a glorified vita tv (with modern hardware) on everyone.
Glad we're getting the best handheld ever, but I really consider Nintendo exiting the console market for a gen with this.
So sad.

I agree this is the end of Nintendo as far as consoles go. This isn't a hybrid and it isn't a console. It's just a handheld that plugs into a tv.

If you are so sad, why not consider it a console that you can take with you rather than a handheld that can hook up to a TV? As a hybrid, it really is both.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I agree this is the end of Nintendo as far as consoles go. This isn't a hybrid and it isn't a console. It's just a handheld that plugs into a tv.

 

[10k]

Should be 1983-2017 since Zelda BotW Wii U releases next year and likely we'll see a Zelda+Wii U bundle too.

The Wii U is dead already but yeah you're right

 

[MuchoMalo]

If you are so sad, why not consider it a console that you can take with you rather than a handheld that can hook up to a TV? As a hybrid, it really is both.

Or you guys can stop forcing this opinion down people's throats...

 

[Cyborg]

My gues is that the dockingstation can be seen as the primaire console with the most power in it (close to X1/PS4) and 2nd console is the handheld with less power due to heat issues.

If you combine the two you will get powerlevels of X1/PS4. Im guessing that when the both are connected/docked the handheld helps the main console.

 

[TunaLover]

Should be 1983-2017 since Zelda BotW Wii U releases next year and likely we'll see a Zelda+Wii U bundle too.

At least it ends in a high note