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[D1renegade]

I don't want to be going about my business only to be blown out of the sky to be quite honest.

If that's a problem then go to one of the other quintillion planets that are out there. Or get some backup by partying up with some friends. Or maybe you could contract other players to protect you in known hot zones..

IMO, the game would be a lot more interesting with online pvp elements

 

[DataGhost]

And a newer video/tweets/etc., contradicts it...

That is the whole basis of the thread... to get answers, because it is UNCLEAR. lol

That's also a problem.

The newer tweets were RIGHT before launch. Like one day before. That's extremely misleading at the same time, those tweets were ambigious.

What new videos contradict it?

 

[Gator86]

Because they promised a much-expected feature that isn't there and the game has yet to drop on Steam (e.g. there's still time for refunding pre-orders).

Yeah, at this point, it's best to weather the storm and hope the story loses steam and the positive press carries them to more sales. There's nothing to gain from clarifying it now for them. They already benefitted from the ambiguity. For all the talk about people preferring Sean to PR, it turns out Sean was their best PR flack after all.

 

[LincolnTunnel]

Perhaps the sarcastic tone did no come through as I intended... Just having some fun.. not upset about anything at all just watching this thread in amazement.

Carry on!

So many people have called out the label thing like its part of a big conspiracy that it's hard to tell when people are joking about it.

 

[LyleLanley]

Because NDAs are a thing. So little info an no message but such vitriol in this thread. Seems more folks would rather burn them than wait for an answer.

If there's an NDA saying he can't talk about bugs in his released game then this whole thing is a lot more fucked up than I assumed.

 

[BRocknRolla]

Patient: Doctor, do I have AIDs?

Doctor: Well, the chances of you contracting AIDs are so slim that it isn't even worth talking about.

Patient: But we ran tests, can't you just tell me if I do or don't have it?

Doctor: Wow, I'm so surprised by the amount of people running tests right now. Props to the blood test department for holding up.

Patient: ....

Doctor: People have already found thousands of different diseases. This is incredible!

Holy shit... This was a really messed up thing to post.

 

[NecromorphTX]

We need a No Man's Sky version of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV-u5tvQC34

 

[AndrewDean84xX]

Officer: Did you murder your wife?

Husband: Yes.

Husband: Well, there's a slim chance I might have, very slim.

Officer: Wait, what!? Did you or did you not kill your wife?

Husband: Its amazing the amount of murders that take place.

 

[Reebot]

whats not clear here? hes talking about a feature that isn't in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE0nuW-mQ8A

I think they jury is still out on video recordings of people saying things. We just can't be sure if he said these things.

If only there was some proof that he promised these features.

 

[whitehawk]

Officer: Did you murder your wife?

Husband: Yes.

Husband: Well, there's a slim chance I might have, very slim.

Officer: Wait, what!? Did you or did you not kill your wife?

Husband: Its amazing the amount of murders that take place.

lmao this got me

 

[DataGhost]

Officer: Did you murder your wife?

Husband: Yes.

Husband: Well, there's a slim chance I might have, very slim.

Officer: Wait, what!? Did you or did you not kill your wife?

Husband: Its amazing the amount of murders that take place.

Amazing, first he confirms it, then becomes coy about it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

We all want answers...

If he comes out and says, 'no, it is not in there, [reasons]' then I will say, yes, he lied and should have been much more clear in the past couple of months.

If he comes out and says, 'yes, it is there, [reasons]' then, we will have that answer, and people will move on.

Right now, there is no clear definitive thing. Hence why this thread is here.

I hope he says something soon, it is getting ridiculous.

 

[timberger]

Comparing the situation to a doctor tiptoing around an AIDS test result to a patient...

We must now be pretty close to someone comparing it to "something something Nazi/ Hitler", is my guess.

Heheh, yep, seems to be getting there. Gonna need a name for the current law we're at here but all I'm coming up with is LAWDwin's Law... that seems a touch too 'on the nose' perhaps... But LAWD there is some fairly batshit levels of crusading going on over this. It's making for a fun watch

 

[Brashnir]

If there's an NDA saying he can't talk about bugs in his released game then this whole thing is a lot more fucked up than I assumed.

Indeed. One man being coy and/or lying = shitty
A man unable to talk freely about his own released product is Orwellian Nightmare levels of fucked up.

 

[flkraven]

We all want answers...

If he comes out and says, 'no, it is not in there, [reasons]' then I will say, yes, he lied and should have been much more clear in the past couple of months.

If he comes out and says, 'yes, it is there, [reasons]' then, we will have that answer, and people will move on.

Right now, there is no clear definitive thing. Hence why this thread is here.

I hope he says something soon, it is getting ridiculous.

Agree 100%

 

[Tecnniqe]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ion-has-online-play-icon-hidden-under-sticker

UPDATE 5.10pm: Sony has told Eurogamer that the online play and increased age rating featured on limited edition No Man's Sky packaging is a "production issue".

The original icons - now hidden under a sticker - were incorrect, the publisher continued. Here is Sony's statement in full:

"Incorrect descriptors were incorporated into the original No Man's Sky limited edition packaging," a company spokesperson said. "This was a production issue and was rectified using placement stickers."

¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[MaDKaT]

If there's an NDA saying he can't talk about bugs in his released game then this whole thing is a lot more fucked up than I assumed.

Very well could be. Issue could be exclusive to the PS4 version and the message could be to suppress until there is a fix.

 

[Silent_Ocarina]

All from Sean Murray's Twitter:

Two players finding each other on a stream in the first day - that has blown my mind

We added a 'scan for other players' in the Galactic Map to try to encourage this happening. We wanted it to happen - but thōe first day?

We hope to see those happening... but too many of you are playing right now. More than we could have predicted

You forgot one tweet. The "thing" he hopes to see hapoening in the last tweet is referring to "online features and Easter eggs to create cool moments." What exactly that entails, he has yet to explain.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You forgot one tweet. The "thing" he hopes to see hapoening in the last tweet is referring to "online features and Easter eggs to create cool moments." What exactly that entails, he has yet to explain.

How does one explain an 'Easter Egg' without giving it away?

¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[D4Danger]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ion-has-online-play-icon-hidden-under-sticker



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Wow! the amount of stickers are amazing

Don't go into this looking for stickers though

 

[Silent_Ocarina]

How does one explain an 'Easter Egg' without giving it away?

¯_(&#12484_/¯

I mean, all people want to know is if players can meet each other. He's mentioned doing so before, but suddenly decides to hide it behind an Easter egg descriptor?

 

[DataGhost]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ion-has-online-play-icon-hidden-under-sticker

UPDATE 5.10pm: Sony has told Eurogamer that the online play and increased age rating featured on limited edition No Man's Sky packaging is a "production issue".

The original icons - now hidden under a sticker - were incorrect, the publisher continued. Here is Sony's statement in full:

"Incorrect descriptors were incorporated into the original No Man's Sky limited edition packaging," a company spokesperson said. "This was a production issue and was rectified using placement stickers."

¯\_(&#12484_/¯

So what happened? Publisher has some schmuck make a new tiny template with the online taken off, and sends an email (that hasn't leaked yet amazingly enough) to all the stores to have an employee secretly place them on?

Did they print thousands of stickers, which are probably more expensive due to adhesive? If so, why not print new sleeves?

C'mon just use logic, that is so fake it's not even funny.

And this guy called me out for believing it was possible. The dirty liar!

 

[sandkiller]

Patient: Doctor, do I have AIDs?

Doctor: Well, the chances of you contracting AIDs are so slim that it isn't even worth talking about.

Patient: But we ran tests, can't you just tell me if I do or don't have it?

Doctor: Wow, I'm so surprised by the amount of people running tests right now. Props to the blood test department for holding up.

Patient: ....

Doctor: People have already found thousands of different diseases. This is incredible!

Driving and crying out laughing ahaha

 

[ArtHands]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ion-has-online-play-icon-hidden-under-sticker



¯\_(&#12484_/¯

So in short, there is NO online feature.

They said "incorrect descriptors", which can only refer to the age rating AND the depiction of the online multiplayer descriptors.

"Incorrect descriptors were incorporated into the original No Man's Sky limited edition packaging," a company spokesperson said. "This was a production issue and was rectified using placement stickers."

 

[Landford]

PC Version will not come out on Friday, will it? Honestly, im losing all the ridiculous amounts of hype I had with this game.

 

[benzopil]

I still believe that Sean is waiting for servers to stabilize and doesn't want to say anything about online component. It's a mystery and it's probably something special. If he says "yes", people will expect something and it won't be that interesting.

Or maybe he lied, who knows. But I don't think so.

 

[DataGhost]

PC Version will not come out on Friday, will it? Honestly, im losing all the ridiculous amounts of hype I had with this game.

It should. Don't let this one feature reduce your hype if you were in it for the singleplayer experience. Though if Sean did lie, then we have a problem

 

[Zomba13]

PC Version will not come out on Friday, will it? Honestly, im losing all the ridiculous amounts of hype I had with this game.

It should be out 25ish hours from now.

 

[Mengy]

he didn't lie. stop saying that. Sean wouldn't do that.

it was a fib, at worst. but, most likely, just a misdirection.

Yep, this is really very common and totally acceptable in today's world. For example, I did something similar this morning while talking to my boss about an urgent order:

Boss: so Mengy, do you have that urgent panel designed yet?

Mengy: there is a very slim chance that the panel is finished and ready to order.

Boss: uh, does that mean it is done, or do you still have work left on it?

Mengy: WOW, look at all of the new panels we are working on now. Kudos to everyone for all of the hard work.

Boss: yeah, Mengy, is it done or isn't it? This has to ship today!!!

Mengy: Our department has finished thousands of panels lately! This is impressive!

Boss: .....

 

[Iva Demilcol]

Yesterday we had people calling for the thread to be locked.

Like I said then, Iraqi War Ministry levels of deflection and apologizing. I wonder where those posters are today. Working on new spin, I guess. "Maybe he's on a gag order..."

Fuck off with that nonsense.

Oh wow, really?

 

[Chris_Rivera]

PC Version will not come out on Friday, will it? Honestly, im losing all the ridiculous amounts of hype I had with this game.

Exactly why he hasn't said anything yet.

 

[udivision]

Wow! the amount of stickers are amazing

Don't go into this looking for stickers though

lol

 

[flkraven]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ion-has-online-play-icon-hidden-under-sticker



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I'll add this to the op when I'm back from lunch.

 

[shintoki]

If he waits long enough to say they will have online in it. They can eventually put online in it!

 

[Tecnniqe]

Wow! the amount of stickers are amazing

Don't go into this looking for stickers though

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/gnmqcTx.jpg[/IMG]

 

[SomTervo]

As a brief summary of the last few days of insanity,

Sean said that if you organized everyone to be in a centralized spot (ie the center of the galaxy which is the final goal for all players), you would still see quite a few less people than you'd expect because it's not an MMO by design. This, alongside the comparison to journey, and Sean's description of the player as a "walking lobby", made it seem as if game was using instances, most likely based on proximity. He always maintained that the only way to see what you looked like was to bump into another player.

At no point did he ever imply that players flat out could not interact at all. At most, he always deferred to the likelihood of this happening as a reason not to freak out about it. Enjoy the game as is, if it happens, it happens, etc

He underestimated the tenacity of online gamers, as most game creators do. Watching someone turn your 40 hour cinematic experience into a 3 hour speedrun or stress testing the physical limits of your open world or exploiting your loot/craft/drop systems are usual things that happen.

Saying that you didn't bother mentioning that you removed a feature (or hadn't yet patched in a feature, which is obviously still a possibility) because you didn't think anyone would notice yet is still being a bit naughty with language. Part of having a good consumer relationship is being able to manage expectations and level with people when your vision exceeds your grasp, or when technical difficulties are on your end instead of the users'. Having day one server problems isn't unusual. Days of radio silence on whether a mode is even in the game, is.

Great post, and yeah, he could have silenced thousands of discussions by just posting "It can happen" or something.

Still, if it happens in the next few weeks and we CAN see/generally interact with each other, then the whole thing is over nothing and their silence was possibly justified.

 

[Blobbers]

who has the best thread summary? I still don't understand the stickers thing after reading the OP. What was it covering up and what was on the sticker itself?

 

[Reebot]

I mean, all people want to know is if players can meet each other. He's mentioned doing so before, but suddenly decides to hide it behind an Easter egg descriptor?

Its a confirmed feature when he's speaking on camera to an audience of millions.

Its an easter egg when customers want a straight answer about the product.

Turns out to be very convenient for Hello Games.

 

[DylanEno]

Yesterday we had people calling for the thread to be locked.

Like I said then, Iraqi War Ministry levels of deflection and apologizing. I wonder where those posters are today. Working on new spin, I guess. "Maybe he's on a gag order..."

Fuck off with that nonsense.

What a time to be alive.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ion-has-online-play-icon-hidden-under-sticker



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Oh so the online icon was intended to be removed?

 

[Hippopuncher12]

Driving and crying out laughing ahaha

Why the hell you driving and looking at Neogaf???

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

Oh wow, really?

Really. Fan boys are getting real mad over this debacle.

 

[Moon_frogger]

And just like Demon/Dark Souls I couldn't see or play with my son in the same house.

Even though we were in the same spot and used the item that was supposed to be used in the game. They didn't lie, they didn't deceive, they had problems with their system for almost 3 weeks. I could still play the core function of the game and gave the AAA studio the benefit of the doubt.

NOW a game on the same scale and being sold the same way is functioning the same but being thrown under the bus. Even though it was done by almost 100 less people. People are such hypocrites it's astounding here. The whole game is still there and they are having problems with the other. Pretty simple logic.
Here's an article still showing how Bandai Namco hasn't fixed the original problems that still persist trying to play with each other on the Original Dark Souls, yet this game is getting the whole witch hunt. IT's pretty hilarious how one is the king of gaming for the same problems, yet an indie team can't have problem while still trying to release their game for another platform.
The mental gymnastics in this thread show, why us as a gaming community never thrive.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/1...bandai-namco-working-on-fix-for-the-issue.htm

The dark souls comparison is such a false equivalency and you know it. Multiplayer was and is still thriving in all of their games. They fully delivered on their promises. No mans sky hasn't seen a hint of online interaction with other players and the only stated reason is that the universe is just sooooooo vast. Well surprise, people can quite easily meet up with a little time and effort and the multiplayer is for all purposes likely no existent.

 

[Servbot24]

So you're saying his answers flip flop? Who knows what he changes his answer to next week.

That is what game development is. Developing games sucks; everything is constantly changing. If fans insist on having eyes into the development process, they are going to get different answers on any given day, and none of them are necessarily lies.

If Sean made a blood oath about something being there and it turns out it's not there, in that case that would be on him.

 

[Chris_Rivera]

I do think people love controversy, and love to break people down, especially when said people are popular. So, while he made many statements down playing the multiplayer focus and saying it's generally single player, we have people "freaking out". Because human nature, boredom, mob mentality. Carry on.

 

[Peltz]

As someone who thinks the messaging of this has been atrocious and that it would be horrible if it wasn't in the game, I actually do believe multiplayer is in the game in some way. I'm not defending Sean Murray and yes I did compare him to Peter Molyneux earlier in the thread. If they skimped on the multiplayer he'll never hear the end of the criticism (nor should he).

But it would be such a boneheaded move for it to not be there that I can't help but think that it's in there but not in the way we expect. I'm hoping that it is a component of the game that is supposed to be a spoiler, or that is simply broken for now.

I'm willing to stop piling on and adopt a wait and see approach to the situation.

 

[SpecX]

For all we know, the man could be on vacation and doesn't want to get caught up in this discussion till he's back in the office. I can't believe this thread is still going on. People buying this game for the online feature alone is a joke as well. You cannot tell me you were on the fence and the mention of online and a "slim" chance of finding someone was enough to push you over and buy this game. It wouldn't have even been a big enough feature to see people on these plants playing to drastically change the dynamics of the game. Those of you bitching about this and not playing the game are truly missing out.

 

[DataGhost]

I do think people love controversy, and love to break people down, especially when said people are popular. So, while he made many statements down playing the multiplayer focus and saying it's generally single player, we have people "freaking out". Because human nature, boredom, mob mentality. Carry on.

Yes, just because he downplayed the multiplayer focus means that he can obviously remove it / not make it clear that it's still in the game.

Yes we're allowed to be lied to. This is basically what I'm getting from you.

We are not trying to break him down. You just came in here to assume things.

All we're discussing is getting a clear and concise answer: "Is this feature still in the game? Yes or no?"

I don't see why you came in here other than your human nature, boredom and your mob mentality to not read the thread and drive-by with a comment.

 

[Pepboy]

Sean is part of the pantheon now

This thread is great.

Though actually I feel the comparison isn't quite apt -- Molyneux at least exaggerated about interesting things, and after the fact usually pretty up front about it. Murray lied about a somewhat boring feature he didn't really need to lie about, and has yet to own up to it.

My money is on "Oh shit I thought we could patch it in before people noticed it wasn't possible." then doubling down on "maybe we can patch it in before it becomes a PR nightmare."

 

[The Jackdog]

Because NDAs are a thing. So little info an no message but such vitriol in this thread. Seems more folks would rather burn them than wait for an answer.

I've worked in media and entertainment for a good handful of years now and ive literally never heard of an NDA that says what you can and cant talk about after a game/product releases

If sony made an NDA that included langauge that kept sean murray from answering the reasonable questions people have, then this is a whole different level of fucked.

Hes not answering cause it will cost first week sales. there is no other explanation that actually makes sense in reality not the bubble some of you guys are living.